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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:43 AM
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Hialeah teacher charged with having sex with student, 15
Source: Miami Herald

A religious school teacher was charged over the weekend with sexual battery on a teenager -- hours after the two returned home from a trip to Disney World.
When police wanted to question a teacher accused of having an affair with an eighth-grader at a private religious school, she was out of town -- vacationing at Disney World with the student.

Upon her return Saturday, 32-year-old Maria Guzman Hernandez, a sixth-grade teacher at Hialeah's Our Lady of Charity, admitted to Hialeah police she'd had sex with the 15-year-old.

Hernandez was charged with sexual battery on a child over whom she had custodial authority, a charge similar to statutory rape.

The boy's mother, who acknowledged to both police and Department of Children & Families investigators that she approved of the relationship, is under investigation by both agencies for permitting the teen to have a months-long affair with the teacher, and for consenting to the theme park trip.



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/5min/story/1066955.html
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:46 AM
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1. A 15 year old eighth-grader?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:53 AM
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2. is that an editing problem?
or is it real?
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:39 PM
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20. Or is it just Miami, Florida people...
Come on... we're talking about Hialeah!
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 10:08 AM
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35. Hey, it's all over the country
When my nephew graduated from middle school -- in the northeast -- my elderly mother went to the graduation and was shocked that the entire front row of graduates were ninth-grade girls with their babies.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 02:24 PM
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37. I know I know...
I just couldn't resist a dig on my hometown. I absolutely loathe the town. I blame it on the Ring Thing...or whatever 8 years of bush called their Abstinence brainwashing.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:53 AM
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3. I used to live in that town.
It's all Hispanic now. No one speaks English.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:18 AM
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10. No, you're wrong. Quite a few speak English. What you really mean is everyone can speak Spanish.
Edited on Wed May-27-09 10:19 AM by Towlie
And you can't.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:23 AM
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19. Ouch
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:12 PM
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22. Touche... but I lived in Miami...
And quite a few in Hialeah speak the worst English ever and berate you for not speaking Spanish...

And I speak Spanish, I'm a Chilean American. I just don't speak Cuban-American Spanish.

With all due respect- and understanding that I am generalizing here- the Cuban American population of Miami Florida has to have the biggest sense of entitlement and coarse bravado that I've seen anywhere I've lived in this country. They are by and large Republicans many of whom participate in a great number of repressive and violent interactions with their neighbor communities (Hatians, Nicaraguans, Hondurans, et al)...

I have experienced death threats by angry Cuban-Americans who didn't like the artistic choices of the theater for which I worked. Death threats for producing Waiting for Godot or Plays by Henrik Ibsen of all people. There have been bombings of Art Galleries in Miami that showed Art from Cubans still on the island. They spit in the face of Nelson Mandela when he visited Miami after he was set free. In the early nineties our democratic choice to unseat Ileana Ros Lehtinen, had the brass balls to suggest she would meet with Fidel to improve relations, and a mob met her at home with baseball bats they used to threaten her and destroy her car.

Granted, that democratic nominee was also a Cuban American, and Hialeah is not a homogeneous single thinking Borg, but the largely poor and right wing community represents --for the most part-- a very confused and angry subset of American culture that should in no way be excused for having a few bilingual members. I know plenty of Fascists who are bilingual. It just so happens that a lot of them are members of Alpha 66 and call Hialeah home, and yes, a lot of them don't speak English... but more importantly,and Identity politics aside most of them are Republican and/or Fascist. I don't give a $%@& what language they speak.

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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:45 PM
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23. what does that have to do with sexually abusing a minor?
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 02:33 PM
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38. That's exactly what I thought about RebelONE's post...
What does hialeah's ethnic and linguistic makeup have to do with the OP? And I had a similar feeling about the post standing up to defend one of the most Fascist communities in the US. Why defend them?

Let's get back to how appalling the mother's approval was. that simply blows my mind...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:02 PM
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39. Maybe you should ask RebelOne, whose post starting the subthread on
Edited on Thu May-28-09 04:02 PM by No Elephants
speaking Spanish vs. speaking English.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 05:54 AM
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33. Thanks for taking the time to post this. It completely substantiates so much
I've heard for many years. Really appreciate it.

Have heard many times about Cuban hate radio show hosts who regularly give out phone numbers and addresses of people they don't like poltically in order for their fellow fascists to assist in terrorizing them.

Also have heard that a past mayor of Miami actually showed up on the doorstep to talk to a woman around 9:00 at night about a letter to the editor she had written which was negative about him! Damned creepy.

Should also mention the crowds that have gathered outside musical groups from Cuba like Los Van Van, in order to hurl cans of drinks, D-cell batteries, and baggies filled with human excrement at the musicians as they attempt to enter the auditorium.

This reminds me of the hate campaign launched by the Cuban American National Foundation President, Jorge Mas Canosa, against the publisher years ago of the Miami Herald, David Lawrence, when he had published information they didn't like. They bombarded the Herald staff with death threats, and jammed Herald newspaper vending machines all over town with gum, and smeared them liberally with feces. David Lawrence and his wife both hired people to inspect their cars daily before starting them, and later he simply left. Since then the Herald has catered to the rabid fascists.

Hope as time goes by enough people from elsewhere will have diluted the concentration there to the point they no longer control Florida politics, and will lose their iron-fisted grip on South Florida and the state. Can't happen a minute too soon.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:00 AM
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6. Not that unusal for ESL students or children of immigrants.
As you might imagine, they need a bit more time to learn English.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:07 AM
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7. Yes, I see that his family had apparently "fled the oppression in Cuba"...
where apparently it is counterrevolutionary for a child to fuck his teacher.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:06 PM
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40. When it's a student-teacher relationship, the teacher is over 30 and the student is under 16, I
believe it is the teacher fucking the student--and in more ways than one.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:49 PM
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46. You are absolutely right
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:03 AM
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15. Not unheard of
I have a couple 13 year old 6th graders this year.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:19 AM
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29. Held back?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:04 PM
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25. think about it - school year is ending AND if he just turned 15 that doesn't sound odd,
Edited on Wed May-27-09 08:05 PM by Divine Discontent
so if he goes into freshman year at 15 and a half, that'd mean he'd graduate at 18 1/2, not all that shocking. He might have been held back one year, or didn't go to kindergarten because he was too little.

As for how the teacher, as some ask, could find him attractive - #1, we don't know what he looks like, I've seen some tall & strong manly-looking 15 year olds, but intellectually they're kids, and maturity wise they're annoying! She probably got the hots and the boy convinced his mom he loves her or something which the parent should have never fell for at 15!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:57 AM
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4. Just waiting on the posters that say the boy seduced her and that she's really the victim. (nt)
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:35 AM
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11. Or that because all parties agreed to the relationship no harm was done.
By that standard if a prison guard and an inmate have consensual sex then there's no problem there either but I don't think that argument would fly here.
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:41 AM
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31. not accuse him of seducing her but...
in my younger days, we have would call him lucky (but that was the '60s) . There were several teachers I would have enjoyed being with in bed when I was 15. "Abuse" , I guess so but I would have to be excused from the jury as my own experiences affects my way of thinking.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:12 PM
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42. A 15 year old male would enjoy "being in bed" with almost anyone. That is one of the
Edited on Thu May-28-09 04:13 PM by No Elephants
reasons a teacher should not seduce him. Little maturity or real comprehension of consequences and potential consequences. Getting laid seems more important.

Do you have sons?
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:59 PM
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45. Yes , I do have a son
and I surely would have liked to know he was one of those that got "laid" more often...but as I wrote, I grew up in the 50's-60's , things were different back then, people did not view it as "abuse" in the same way they do today.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:08 PM
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41. Well, Reply # 7 came close, but no Havana.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:59 AM
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5. The child's mother approved
Now THAT'S a new twist on a story like this.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:58 AM
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13. She's probably relieved it wasn't one of the priests diddling her son
Here's the mugshot:

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:17 AM
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18. eww!
15 and stuck with the memory of THAT as a first lover? EWWWWW!
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:58 AM
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32. would not hit
even at horny 15.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:27 PM
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44. Vili Fualaau's mom seemed fine with it, too. Except for when it occurred to her to sue the school.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:09 AM
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8. Where are the calls for genital mutilation?
They would be there if this was a male teacher.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:05 PM
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21. it doesn't apply in this case the victim was latino
:sarcasm:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:22 PM
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43. Um, genital mutilation does not stop a pedophiliac female as castration would a male. Apples and
Edited on Thu May-28-09 04:30 PM by No Elephants
oranges again.


But don't worry about that. We love to have white males whine about gender discrimination. ;-)

Still consistent with "progressive" posts. ;-)
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:13 AM
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9. Did he get all A's on his report card?
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:35 AM
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12. No, just in "after school activities"
:hide:
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:01 AM
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14. Sick
How can a 32 year old woman find an eighth grade boy attractive? When I was an eight grade girl I didn't find eighth grade boys attractive, all zits and skinny legs. All the Jr. High girls I knew were looking at the high school guys :9

As an adult, this is just so gross. This has to be a mental disorder, of the variety that does not remove responsibility for someone's actions though.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:09 AM
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16. Its an ole way to learn a new language...tired an true...its one of the BEST of Ways
Entire classes should sign up .....

15 is the perfect time for Sex Ed, English lessons, and Civics all in one class...

They should give Maria the FREEDOM MEDAL for an outstanding job....



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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:10 AM
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17. as tongue in cheek as this story seems
It is truly fucked up that a child is preyed upon by a caregiver/person of trust. Kids should not be placed in Adult relationships. Parents shouldn't bless these predatory situations. Those of you actually light of this are beyond fucked up. God knows how old the child was when this began.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:50 PM
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24. This story is a trip...I don't understand it.
My son is 15 and headed into his Junior yr. He'll be 16 In August.



My son has a grown man's body, he's an athlete and is extremely well built. However, he has a baby face and if you talk to him, you know he's a child!

I would beat the hell out of any woman trying to sleep with my son! We've been in malls and I've had to give women the "eye"....like what the hell are you looking at? He thinks it's funny, but it's crazy! I don't understand the attraction. We're starting to hear way too much of this.

:grr:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:21 PM
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26. i used to live in hawaii where age of consent was 14
where the age of consent (at that time) was 14.

14 yr old and a 35 yr old - legal.

fwiw, canada and many other countries are 14.

of course, they probably have similar laws prohibiting it when the person is in a caretaking/power position over the youth.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:32 PM
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27. Wow!! 14! I didn't know that! n/t
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:59 PM
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28. hands on experience in sex education? n/t
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:20 AM
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30. no 14-year is ready to have sex.
Gross!
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:15 AM
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34. Go back 4 or 5 generations and one is likely to find one's own ancestors
Edited on Thu May-28-09 08:15 AM by lostnfound
married at that age (some of them, not all of them).
By age 15 it was extremely common. Age 14 was not that unusual either, depending upon the cultural background.
I'm not saying that it's a good thing or that should be perceived in the same way in 21st century America. But it is always interesting to see how far societal norms have changed.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:46 AM
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36. Oh, I agree things are different now.
In our framework of today, a 14/15 year old is still a child. While back then they were pretty much an adult. I doubt that they were emotional adults but society told them they were grown-up because most people could not afford to be a child for that long. They were needed to work/reproduce because people got used up quicker. As a history buff, I agree that it is always interesting to see how things change.
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