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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:03 PM
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Wolfie: "Kerry drops political bombshell"
no link just on CNN, sez Kerry issued a statement saying essentially he has heard from foreign leaders that they want * out of office.





Like that's a surprise...
:eyes:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:05 PM
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1. Kerry hears it from ordinary Americans too...(nt)
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:07 PM
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6. we'll make sure they hear us loud and clear in November! :)
nt
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Veritus Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:13 PM
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19. what is the blue bus?
I am not sure what that is- could you explain it please?
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:24 PM
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35. It's my website :)
And the blue bus pictured is owned by my grandfather, he turned the inside into a camper and we take fishing trips on it :)
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 05:01 PM
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83. My dad and his buddies did the same thing...
They also had van doors installed in the back so my dad could drive his Willis Jeep up ramps and into the back of the bus.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 09:55 PM
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96. Of course, The Blue Bus is Calling Us is from Doors' The End
The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on...

http://www.redlyrics.com/lyrics.cfm/lyrics/Doors-The_End/id/14709
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Katha Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:49 PM
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79. Hey!
Totally OT, but this is off_key from LJ -- haha, awesome to see you here!

:hi:
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 09:32 PM
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93. Hey sweetie!!!!
Welcome to DU!!!! So glad to see you here!!! :) :) :) :D
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Veritus Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:06 PM
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2. will the 'NASCAR dads' care?
If he is as disengaged with them as he is on domestic issues, no wonder. I am not sure how this will play with the average American voter though- any NASCAR dads out there want to venture an opinion?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:08 PM
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9. How is Senator Kerry "disengaged" with NASCAR dads?
Wanna explain?
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Veritus Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:12 PM
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16. my post was about Bush, not Kerry!
I didn't say that! I said Bush is disengaged with foreign leaders and in domestic conerns!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:13 PM
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18. Welcome Veritus
I am a big NASCAR fan, I am a veteran, I am an angry white male and I do and will wholeheartedly support Senator Kerry however I might to get an evil person out of the white house. I don't have to have Senator Kerry (I assume you are referring to Senator Kerry) "engage" me. I am engaged on domestic and foreign affairs issues. I know good from bad, george bush is definitely bad for this country and apparently many think he is bad for the world. I think it is important that we maintain positive relations with foreign countries. bush and his band of pirates don't see it that way.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:14 PM
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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #2
48. I have six strappin' brothers, all
NASCAR fans, and each and every one of them detest Bush so much right now that it's a joy to behold.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 05:35 PM
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86. I think quite a few
care about the patriot act and the eroding of civil rights. Can't tell you how many average American males I've heard complaining (and rightfully so) about that issue.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:06 PM
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3. They also compared this statement to some of Dean's
OK, the game is really on now. They're just smearing him right now as I listen.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:22 PM
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32. Bad move for Kerry.
Kerry has let all the personal and political shots come from others and it has worked very well thus far. He has stuck with the issues and hasn't given the press an opportunity to pounce on a "mean-spirited/hearsay" comment like this.

Most of the globe hates Bush. Fact. Kerry should continue to let people speak for themselves--they already have with trade wars. Every time they can, foreign leaders put Shrub's balls in a vice and squeeze.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:49 PM
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43. The average American doesn't pay attention to trade wars
they do pay attention to what political candidates say. The average shmoe can't even point Iraq out on a map much less do they know that the EU threatens us to tarriff goods from Bush sensitive states. GOOD MOVE FOR KERRY
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:57 PM
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51. I don't think it is a bad move.....
Gore said if he had it to do over again he would
"let it rip!" Less calculation and more truth.

If we lose I hope it is not because Kerry was
over cautious. There is lots of time to straighten
out any errors with eight months to go.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #32
56. Tell me what Kerry has stated publicly that is NOT an election issue.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:06 PM
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4. Give me instructions
As to how you get the little picture of anyone but Bush.. I am older and not very experienced with the computer, Please
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:14 PM
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21. Go to the lobby, then find OPTIONS up at the top, find "Edit Profile"
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 12:29 PM by mike1963
then "choose avatar" and click on the one you want.!

edit: correction on link name, sorry

:D
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:19 PM
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27. Thanks
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #4
30. Never mind :-)
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 12:21 PM by Melinda
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:07 PM
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5. ...and both Wolf & Bill AEI-der are calling this a blunder?
How could this be considered a blunder by Kerry?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:07 PM
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8. Because it amounts to foreign influence of a presidential candidate.
All sorts of fun espionage related stuff.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:10 PM
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11. Huh? So Kerry isn't allowed to talk to any foreign leaders?
...even in the capacity of Senator?

The "foreign influence of a presidential candidate" charge doesn't hold water...
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:14 PM
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22. you're discounting the xenophobia held by many Americans
a whole lot of middle-america thinks "we don't need them foreigners tellin' us what to do".

Or - "who cares what they think?"

Or better yet "the rest of the world can go to hell" which is the translation of one of their favorite phrases -- "god bless America"

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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:31 PM
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40. By many Americans? In all fairness, the Founders wouldn't be pleased.
And I say that in all seriousness and not trying to be funny at all...
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:46 PM
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82. How would you know?
Were you one of the founding fathers? Were you there?

I suppose the founding fathers didn't care about diplomacy or foreign relations, naaaahhhhh, none of that.

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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:27 PM
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99. In his Farewell Address, Washington warned against
"permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular Nations and passionate attachments for Others."

In his First Inaugural Address, Jefferson spoke of his desire for "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none."

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/garrity.htm
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 08:10 PM
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92. The correct (phonetic) spelling of middle America's fear of foreigners is
FURRINURS......in some specific cases it is 'Mexcauns' and 'dem peeple'
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:11 PM
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12. exactly. I don't think it will play well in middle america
I think it will affect Kerry negatively.
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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:14 PM
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23. Yup.
I fully believe that Kerry told the truth here. Not even Blair is happy with Bush these days.

But that doesn't make Kerry's statement politically smart. This could be a major faux pas, I'm afraid.

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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:30 PM
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38. A gaffe in Washington
is when someone is caught telling the truth. In this case it is obviously true to anyone with half a brain that the leadership in countries around the world (with the possible exception of poodle Blair) don't think much of Bush and want him out of office. Bush has squandered the good will of the world after 9/11 and it is perfectly legitimate for Kerry to point this out. It is NOT foreign meddling in our affairs.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:03 PM
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53. Ah bullpuckey.
It is about time that we started playing the same game. We should be mad as hell, not just here a Club DU, but the rest of the country needs to get pissed as well. Nothing motivates voters more than anger.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:27 PM
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58. Nope....just telling it like it is. Most Americans understand plain talk.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #12
102. Worse than Republicans pushing ...

to amend the constitution so the foreign-born can preside?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:51 PM
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45. Well, those subtle nuances of diplomacy did not stop
St. Ronnie of Raygun from negotiating with Khomeini and undercutting a presidential campaign entirely. Now did they?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:26 PM
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57. You mean Senator Kerry shouldn't have friends in high places in...
...foreign countries, and should no longer speak to them if they call?

Want to talk about REAL espionage? How about the spying done by the NeoCons on UN officials during the Iraq debates? How about the pilfering of documents belonging to Democratic Party congresspersons?

Junior doesn't really want to go there, IMHO.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:05 PM
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65. Wait a minute!
Senator Kerry can and should talk with foreign leaders (I bet he can name more foreign leaders the Bush*). I don't know how espionage fits into the equation but I have full confidence that Kerry will not make Foreign Policy till he becomes president, unlike the Reagan/Iran/hostage crap. Now, that era was rife with espionage, treason amd skulduggery, but I fully expect Kerry to raise the national bar and not stoop to such levels.
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:25 PM
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76. so in this age of global economy
the opinions of world leaders are not supposed to count? I think the foreign influence thing was written when the only concern was domestic affairs.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:12 PM
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13. Maybe not a blunder
but he should'nt have been so explicit. I don't think it plays that well. The old America has lost its' friends, etc. works .
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:07 PM
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7. And the political week begins!
Yippee! :evilgrin:
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RoadRunner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:10 PM
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10. Bombshell?
There aren't very many foreign leaders that Ugly Man hasn't pissed off in one way or another with his hubris, deception, and arrogance.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:14 PM
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20. Yeah, but now the whore media will sound this mantra...
over and over until the "average" American (voter) comes to believe that "a vote for Kerry is a vote for some foreign government." :grr:

Remember how some anti-Kennedy types thought a vote for JFK was a vote for the Vatican? :crazy:
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 02:22 AM
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104.  Off theme but good story
My parents were the only Irish Catholics and two of the few Democrats in their very WASPish suburban neighborhood in 1960. My Dad always got a kick out of telling the story of how at a neighborhood get together in the summer of '60, a very concerned neighbor lady took him aside and asked him if Kennedy were elected would it mean the Pope would come to America and and run the country. My Dad answered with all seriousness that the Pope was packing his bags as they spoke. He said that he felt a little bad when he saw the look of utter shock on her face, and very bad when she burst into tears. He had to reassure her that the Pope would probably just send a couple of Cardinals instead. It didn't help.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:38 PM
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42. still a mistake
no doubt what Kerry said is 100% true, but from a political point of view its a big mistake to come out and say it. Its giving ammunition to the Repubs and they will use it to smear him. Limbaugh and the rest of the right wing hate media crowd will be saying "Kerry takes orders from the French!" etc. The fact that whatever they say will be a lie doesn't matter, it hasn't stopped them before and it won't stop them now.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:56 PM
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50. We just can't worry about what Rush thinks.
Give him any tidbit like this and he'll twist it. Run an impossibly perfect campaign that gives him no tidbits and he'll just make things up. What's the difference? Like the prayer says, "Lord, give me the courage to change the things I can, the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, and the wisdom to know the difference."
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:12 PM
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14. Since he has promised to cut them a slice of war loot, I hardly think

it qualifies as a bombshell that they would go "yeah! kewlness!"
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:12 PM
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15. Let's hope this doesn't turn into the political equivalent of Dean's
"scream". I can seriously see them playing the "foreign influence" card for a LONG time.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:24 PM
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37. If not this, keph, then something else. The media is complicit in this.
As they did to Dean (and Gore and Clinton), they will do to Kerry. To the naysayers: just wait - time will prove me (and many others) right.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:12 PM
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17. Geez, CNN must be desperate to say that is a "bombshell"!
They are grasping at straws if they think that is a negative toward Kerry. Anyone with one eye and half an *sshole knows that Bush has alienated every other country.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:16 PM
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26. CNN is certainly desperate, but they have a lot of power
and if they don't pound us with this "blunder" they're gonna find others.

We really need to deal with the media. Like shut them down somehow. We can't elect them out.

The media is the biggest enemy of this country right now.

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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #26
55. Don't watch


They make money by bringing an audience to advertisers. No audience, no money. Kill your TV.


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walkon Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:15 PM
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25. Where is the statement?
n/t
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:19 PM
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28. I haven't found it yet, Blitzer had it put up on the screen.
It's a hell of a note when the truth can be a political liability.
:grr:
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walkon Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. From Reuters
Apparently from speech/talk in Hollywood, FL today:


CITES ENCOURAGEMENT FROM UNNAMED LEADERS

Without naming anybody, Kerry said he had received words of encouragement from leaders abroad who were eager to see him defeat Bush on Nov. 2.

"I've met foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly, but boy they look at you and say, 'You've got to win this, you've got to beat this guy, we need a new policy,' things like that," he said.


This is a bombshell?
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:19 PM
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29. So Kerry needs to spin it now
* has hindered long term US global relationships and the UN. Threatened our national security.... Turn it on * before it explodes for Kerry.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:22 PM
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31. exactly. Kerry needs to keep it offensive, and not go defensive
He simply needs to elaborate rather than defend what he said.

If he goes on the defensive, he's toast.

Never apologize in a situation like this.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:51 PM
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46. He shouldn't apologize
He'll handle this fine.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:52 PM
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47. He sure needs to keep the heat up and fire back immediately.
nt
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:23 PM
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33. I agree, he now has to pinpoint where having other countries against...
Bush hurts Americans in the pocketbook. For example, outsourcing, the unspoken boycott of American products, the downturn in tourism, etc. There is plenty out there Kerry could use to show how other countries can affect the US economy. He can also point out how other countries are not helping in Iraq.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:47 PM
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61. OK, what are some possible spin-stoppers?
My $.02: Foreign leaders are taking an interest in our elections because any American president has a unique role in the world as the leader of the most powerful nation on earth, and his actions have a real effect on other countries' domestic and international concerns. Bush has alienated both friends and enemies in the community of nations, and other countries are reaching out to an alternative to Bush in an effort to improve both their relationships with the U.S. and the U.S.'s impact on their lives.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #61
78. In 1999
Then candidate *'s communication with the Israelis went something like this: "Don't sign anything now, wait till we are in office"
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:24 PM
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34. It's a fact, Wolfie. It is a fact that Bush is potentially the most hated
U.S. president in the history of our nation. Bush's foreign policy is absolutely despicable and that is why he is hated.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:36 PM
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70. Thank you. Well said!
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:31 PM
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39. I think this subject is something Kerry needs to bring out.
Bush is hated abroad. Kerry is only repeating what he's been told by foreign leaders. Bush is responsible for our low standing abroad. Bush is despised and the spite he engenders is hurting American workers and businesses not to mention our military alliances. Bush can't travel abroad unless he goes to military bases or countries that suppress dissent of all forms. The negative opinions world leaders have of Bush make him a liability for the country.
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Tiberius Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:49 PM
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62. I agree with everything you say, but...
...this is *not* something that Kerry should stress. As divisive and destructive as bush's foreign policy has been, Kerry should stress the foolishness of those policies based on the facts, and the possible risks of such policies, and not on what the rest of the world thinks.

I think it would be much more effective to talk about the veteran members of the U.S. diplomatic corps who have resigned in disgust. Not only are they in tune with world events, they're also "on our team"... they're the most credible witnesses to the backwardness of bush's so-called "foreign policy".
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:33 PM
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41. Does Kerry have someone
to call the media like CNN and call them out on shit like this?? We've seen it be very effective for Rove and I think it would work for Kerry since he may be the next president. I don't mean dirty tricks, I mean just saying, hey, what is this crap you're pulling? Why are you making a mountian out of a molehill? This is unfair reporting. This is exactly how they started on Dean. Kerry needs to stop it NOW! Its not what he is saying but how they are reporting it...
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TinaTyson Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:50 PM
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44. Wasn't the response to the AWOL story the same as this?
It cleared the way to talk about it. Now that the facts are in many people agree.

AWOL.

This is a good thing. The press is behind Kerry. This is just how they introduce subjects that they are afraid to introduce in a straight-forward manner.

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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:31 PM
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77. good point
It could start conversations concerning how we are viewed by our allies. Course I never want to underestimate the media, who knows their angles. Let's hope it works for Kerry. Gives him something to respond to and not Bush's holiness talk: "marriage, faith based $$ to churches (that already get breaks due to not paying taxes on the 10% that most churches get from their followers), family values, promoting marriage for economic purposes, be sure and love your kids, etc." Making the media talk about real issues could be a step forward. Even Republicans surely know other world leaders are unhappy with Bush's policies and attitude.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:55 PM
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49. It's just one of a thousand of these " bombshells"
That Kerry could and probably will drop on his ass.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:00 PM
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52. how is this a bombshell?
it is no secret that Bush is universally despised by anyone with brains and compassion.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:06 PM
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54. They are going to be cutting to the chase with things like this
Playing on peoples fears and greed, never a surprise. The will frame it to the point 'do you want to be part of the Empire or part of the underprivileged', in more flowerier terms, to be sure.

One must remember, the dudes spewing this crap out are also in fear for their jobs in which they are getting paid at them 6 and 7 figures levels
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Crachet2004 Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:28 PM
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59. It could hurt us a little...
especially a Kim il Jong, or Castro endorsement...but so what?

Kerry is probably being flooded with e-mails from world leaders, like: 'man am I glad to see you here! Best of luck against that a$$hole Bush!'.

Some world leaders, I am sure have endorsed him in their OWN press...or soon will.

Kerry probably has no choice but to go public with the moral support he is getting from around the world. It's gonna come out anyway!

Every time Bush is burned in effigy overseas could be construed as a Kerry endorsement. So what?

This is of a stripe with the cracks the GOP has been making about Europe and Europeans in general, and the French in particular.

Ok, fine. Three of my most recent grandmothers were German and one was French. One is still living (almost 100) and I have pictures of the other three. In my own personal mythology, they are the angels. And there those fools are, talking about my relatives, the way they do.

Good. I hope they keep it up, because it shows just how narrow their perception of their own 'in group' is. And if they feel this way about Western Europeans (not including England), God help anyone whose ancestral roots are even further afield!

Every time they open their mouths, it just gets worse for THEM!
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:34 PM
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60. But what if it's our allies? Japan, Canada, UK, etc?
Seems like somebody should be coordinating an inoculation effort by dredging up references to our allies' scathing criticisms of *

Japan: Asshole
Canada: Moron


Anybody care to add to the list?
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:08 PM
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73. Any country that has been screwed by Bushco
I may be a little cynical, but I think that part of the reason that the rest of the world is so pissed off is because the Bush administration isn't willing to share the loot. If they weren't so arrogantly greedy, their "coalition of the willing" would be much larger.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:50 PM
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63. One mention of the truth isn't going to hurt - there is no bomb
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 01:51 PM by higher class
shell here. Let CNN rant. If Kerry repeats it and goes into any detail, it will be bad. Everyone already knows this, but he can't name names or quote anyone (obviously).

Making the statement is just a little reminder to Bush lovers (who are really PNAC and cabal lovers) that we are killing our position in the world amongst all the other killing.

The way he handles it from here and the way his spokespeople handle it is more important.

It is doubtful that Fox or the NBCs will emulate CNN - unless orders come from the WH to excoriate Kerry.

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Warren Stuart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:52 PM
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64. If CNN is calling this a bombshell - then good
Very good, keep it in the headlines a little bit more. Remind everyone how much safer we are with most of the world hating our guts. CNN dosn't get it, this is more stating the obvious, than a bombshell.

If Kerry is to win then he needs to draw distinctions between Bush and himself, he needs to show he can get down and dirty. He has to depict himself as the better choice.

I think this is a brilliant move on Kerry's part, Bush is forced to react, this puts him on the defensive. I hope Kerry has another zinger up his sleeve.
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:09 PM
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66. More than 60 posts now,
All kinds of commentary from all sorts of posters, we're in LBN,

And there's still no link????



How about a little help here....
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:23 PM
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67. Here's a link
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 02:24 PM by MaineDem
HOLLYWOOD, Fla. (Reuters) - Democratic White House candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) predicted on Monday Republicans would try to "tear down" his character and said some foreign leaders had told him they hoped he would beat President Bush (news - web sites).

/snip/

Without naming anybody, Kerry said he had received words of encouragement from leaders abroad who were eager to see him defeat Bush on Nov. 2.


"I've met foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly, but boy they look at you and say, 'You've got to win this, you've got to beat this guy, we need a new policy,' things like that," he said.



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040308/us_nm/campaign_kerry_dc&cid=1896&ncid=1963&sid=96378800
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:36 PM
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71. Thank you , but this would make the original post something for GD forum
Since it would be editorializing with comment
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:26 PM
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68. Your search - Kerry drops political bombshell - did not match any document
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Kerry+drops+political+bombshell&btnG=Search+News

We don't run these machines, we just follow their orders :argh:

Besides, they wouldn't say it if wasn't true, least that's what the machine told me ;-)
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:35 PM
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69. Won't really matter
I think that the people who like Kerry will see this as an advantage for Kerry in that he will be able to work well with other nations, those who like * will see it as "foreign influence", and if someone is undecided now, this will not be what influences them.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:42 PM
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72. A drop in the bucket, to be sure
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 02:47 PM by nolabels
But don't you think they are already showing their hand

Riding point is sometimes a thankless job, so just like cleaning the toilets, someone will eventually have to do it :hurts:

On EDIT: Had a little editing to do myself, had too many "buts" in there :D
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:12 PM
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74. Bull--Blitzer is a propagandist for the Bush admin
This is just the beginning of a campaign of smearing and misquoting Kerry.
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SmokeyBlues Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 03:18 PM
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75. So weird
Kerry openly voices what most of the entire freaking world knows, and back home the media whores and some progressive hand-wringers are calling it a political faux pas. Republicans can say any damn thing they please any damn time they want to, and we hear hardly a peep from the media whores or those co-called crucial regions of the country. Hell, the assholes-in-charge can even imposed unfair tax cuts, run up the national debt, subvert the rule of democratically-elected leaders in foreign countries, openly lie about their leader's military record, mislead the country into invading a sovereign country, consistently lie about the economy and we still hear how *hole is popular and loved by the American people.

But just let a Democratic official or Democratic presidential candidate give voice to what the entire damn world knows to be true, and all hell breaks loose. We are told that such comments won't play well in middle America. We are told that such comments won't play well with NASCAR dads. We are told that such comments won't play well in the South. We are told that such comments won't play well in Ms. Jean's damn Romper Room.

In my opinion, one of the reasons why we've been having our collective asses handed to us by the 'other side' is because we appear so fearful to speak out, and stand by our convictions, on certain issues that are important to us. Let's show some backbone for a change, and if we alienate some people in the process, so be it.

One thing's for certain, all the mamby-pamby behavior displayed in recent years have not resulted in a whole lot of success. Yeah, I know. I should not have made that comment because it's not going to play well with the people residing on Pine Street in the Delta Valley.

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:03 PM
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81. Not really weird if you were from the inside looking out
Second, third to fifteenth guess is how they play chess (granted this is not chess). Has Someone posted a graph, flow chart or something, with all the perceptible assets assigned to each side. Someone could use a spread sheet, then under the assets one could draw up weaknesses and strengths for holding that asset. The Repubs,wingers and corporatist are probably already working on such a thing now. (like myself, some people are novices) A lot of people keep all that stuff in their head, or other places, I am also sure.

I did enjoy your outrage, bouncing stuff off of people heads is what a lot of people are about here, but that can change also.

Thanks for the good work and remember every extra piece or person is more or less part of the equation depending on who is looking (or voting)on or at it.

P.s. not trying to be an apologist, trying to inform of you that you have a very valid point and kicking ass to go out and do something about it is well and fine. Containing your illusions about the other side before you draw up your plans would seem a regular order of progression, but nothing is etched in stone.
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 04:01 PM
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80. Good! I hope he speaks out like this more often.
I mean, the Repubs do, and so does Nader. We don't need Kerry to be a wimp like Gore sometimes was. (Even Gore has changed his tune and is outspoken again.)

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 05:12 PM
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84. Wolf floats an odiferous air-biscuit...
.... and everyone knows he dealt it.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 07:21 PM
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91. LOL!! "Wolf floats an odiferous air-biscuit..."
that produces odontalgia
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R Hickey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 05:32 PM
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85. Kerry should say: "Not a single foreign leader I've talked to likes Bush
Kerry made a mistake, but Bush will screw up the attack.

When the GOP lunges, Kerry can flip the mirror to shine the spotlight on Bush's foreign friends - like the Ben Laden family.
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R Hickey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 05:47 PM
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87. Kerry should say "On 9/12 Bush helped HIS foreign friends fly to Saudi ...
Saudi Arabia. Maybe Mr. Bush would like to clarify his ties to the Bin Lauden family at this time." Kerry turns to Bush. "Is that why you've been stonwalling the 9/11 commission, Mr President?"

Anyway, Kerry has a lot of nasty comebacks for his little faux pas.

When the Republicans attack, they will be opening a can of worms. In chess we call this little mistake a "gambit."
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 06:37 PM
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88. Wasn't it the other JFK the one who liked to hang out with bombshells?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 06:51 PM
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89. "Average Americans" are a lot smarter
than the news media understands, because many in the news media are out of touch and too arrogant to know it.

The only people terrified of foreign influence on the U.S. are already hard-core Bush supporters.

The average American will yawn at Kerry's comment and wonder for the umpteenth time why the media are so stupid.

The more people like Wolfie cry wolf the more people tune them out.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 07:17 PM
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90. What is there to like about junior?
What has junior done or ever done for the working person, the poor person or anyone that isn't wealthy?
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 09:38 PM
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94. I'm not understanding what the bombshell is.
Hasn't Wolf seen the international PEW poll on attitudes toward the US? We're in the basement.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 09:43 PM
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95. You call this LBN?
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 10:12 PM
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98. It WAS "LBN" when it was first posted. Oh, I see where you're coming
from...
never mind.

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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 10:04 PM
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97. This is just like when Dean said
"Capturing Saddam doesn't make America safer." The media acted like it was a major 'bombshell' but ordinary Americans knew it was true. And soon the media was talking about it. I think its wise to put things like this on the table. After the media has their apoplectic episode they can deal with the truth of it.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:41 PM
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100. More BS and azzkissin'
Blitz is a Bushco azzkisser. Kerry should go on the offensive, never apologize and keep hammering away. So far Bushco are treading water. I say push their shallow heads under and keep 'em there.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:24 AM
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101. Let me get this straight. Bunkerboy attacks and invades countries
on hunches, whims & lies, engages in coups, plans BEFORE TAKING OFFICE to take over other sundry countries "he doesn't like", actively insults numerous world leaders by name, encourages other thugs in democratic countries to overthrow their democractically elected leaders, and the whoremedia are concerned that a few leaders have spoken indirectly or discretely with Kerry that they don't like asswipe and chickenshit?

THAT IS THE BOMBSHELL?!?!

What kind of bizarro world are we living in again?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 12:40 AM
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103. You'd think being popular ...

around the world might actually be a boon for our national security. These folks want to win the war on terrorism by making more people hate us?
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