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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:28 PM
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Grassley seeks proof of jobs from H-1B applicants
Source: ComputerWorld

As U.S. set to release H-1B visas, Senator renews calls for tougher enforcement

September 29, 2009 06:21 PM ET

Computerworld - WASHINGTON -- One of the U.S. Senate's leading critics of the H-1B visa program, Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), is asking immigration officials to toughen their demands for evidence from companies hiring visa workers.

Grassley wants IT consulting companies that hire H-1B workers at third party client sites to prove that there is work waiting for them. The timing of his request to the U.S. Citizen and Immigration Service (USCIS) is no accident or is Grassley's interest.

About a year ago, Grassley released a USCIS study that found either evidence of fraud or other violations in one-out-five H-1B visa petitions.

His letter to USCIS Director Alejandro Mayorkas, released Tuesday, also comes just prior to the start of the new fiscal year, Oct. 1 and the release of 66,700 H-1B visas petitions, a number well short of the cap, applied for since April 1, the start of the annual petition process.

In a statement accompanying the release of his letter to Mayorkas, Grassley said, that "Employers need to be held accountable so that foreign workers are not flooding the market, depressing wages, and taking jobs from qualified Americans. Asking the right questions and requesting the necessary documents will go a long way in getting out the fraud in the H-1B program."



Read more: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138674/Grassley_seeks_proof_of_jobs_from_H_1B_applicants_?taxonomyId=60



About damn time. It's something....
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:31 PM
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1. About time! nt
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jasi2006 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:19 PM
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28. This won't go far. Too many "favored" immigrants involved.
Many in science and medical research...the "untochables." They get sancuary, special benifits, and citizenship processing faster than others. For sure, many just stay here, reap the benefits and maintain dual citizenship to avoid certain taxes and prosecutions.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:33 PM
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2. The party of the working person needs to be out in front of this. n/t
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mamaleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:36 PM
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5. Oh, you just do not care at all about those poor poor poor
brilliant, hardworking foreign IT workers who do a much better job than you.

They need to eat too!

:sarcasm: (don't think it's necessary but I'll make sure people know it was not a serious comment)
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:00 PM
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24. Yes, and their countries of origin don't care about them like our country doesn't care about us. nt
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:34 PM
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3. Translation: Chuck Grassley is up for re-election
See Arlen Specter.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:37 PM
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7. Grassley and Durbin have been wanting "reform" for years. n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:48 PM
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13. Seconded. Both politicians sound legtimate.
And legitimate people are ones I'd rather support and work with. I think President Obama feels the same way; he's been trying to reach out toward, who summarily refuse anything just because he's a Democrat, not white, or any other excuse to be found.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:53 PM
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18. I know -- and he has gone after the NFP churches abusing that statute
I am merely suggesting that this is a rather convenient time to showcase the "populism".
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mule_train Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:09 PM
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26. Clarification: Grassley's been on this consistently for over 4 years
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 10:10 PM by mule_train
try again
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mule_train Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:47 AM
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34. I invite all Democrats to oppose H-1b abuse, even if they are just doing it for their re-election
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 10:48 AM by mule_train

....but all i hear is.....crickets
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:40 PM
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35. Corpo-Dems are in the pocket of big business. eom
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:36 PM
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4. Seems like in a country this size with this many people out of work,
there is NO ONE who could possibly fill thier jobs. Are we really supposed to believe that?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:51 PM
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16. Apparently.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:51 PM
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17. Don't believe it for a minute.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 08:10 PM
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32. That was the argument 10+ years ago...
When the tide of IT layoffs was starting to build. Companies couldn't "find" anyone to take open positions.

Bad economy aside, it was bullshit then and even more bullshit today.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:36 PM
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6. Its already being done that way for years - yet those who don't know how it works applaud
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 06:38 PM by stray cat
no wonder the repubs are always winning - the gullible masses will fall for anything. Who here has ever applied for permission to put someone on an H1 visa - not only do you have to prove they are best for the job and you are hiring them they have to win a random lottery and if they don't win you can't hire them.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:40 PM
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10. I thought it went beyond "best", I thought they had to prove
there was a lack of American trained personnel? Please educate us. TIA
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 07:16 PM
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19. don't hold your breath.
this poster has been pushing the H1B-replacement worker meme since it was a member.

As someone who has had to train their H1B replacement twice, I no longer listen to what these d-bags have to say without laughing out loud at their bullshit.

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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:38 PM
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8. Let's hope they aren't so easily bypassed like the original
regulations are. The only need for the corporations is CHEAP labor, they aren't fussy about lying to obtain it. There better be some teeth to those who have abused this option, never being able to use it again would be best.

Why aren't there incentives for training programs for Americans instead of the rush for out of country counterparts?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:39 PM
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9. Its called public education - and americans are not very good at it
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:41 PM
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11. Am I confusing programs, I thought this was the program
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 06:45 PM by mother earth
that brings in IT personnel and others. If so, that's beyond public education no?

And I clearly remember viewing videos that proved upper management was giving classes to their employees on how to bypass the regulations.

It's not an issue of education, it's really a question of the money saved for corporations by hiring outside workers.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:51 PM
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15. This stuff really should be obvious. Then again, there is a HUGE irony...
if he exemplifies the typical dumb, uneducated American...

:hide:
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:48 PM
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12. You believe everything that you're "told."
:eyes:
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 07:26 PM
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20. If that comment is for me, I tried to read the rest of the
article at your link, unfortunately it did not work. I'm sorry, I was under the impression this was a place of discussion, I'm not familiar with every single poster here. But, hey, thanks for YOUR courtesy. :shrug:
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 08:06 PM
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21. I wasn't responding to you.
Chill out. :)
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:35 PM
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31. Sorry, OhioChick, some can be nasty. Too jumpy, I guess.
:blush:
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 11:10 PM
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33. No Problem.
:hi:
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 08:12 PM
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22. You can see who a poster is replying to by looking at the number on the upper right of their post
OhioChick was replying to Post #9, not you.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 07:34 PM
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30. Thanks, never noticed that.
:thumbsup:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:50 PM
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14. Yes. That's why we offshore jobs. Hey, have you noticed
that many products coming in have poorly written documentation, have parts that are put on backwards or won't fit because the manufacturer screwed up on counting, and other things?

Uh-oh. Americans aren't the only dumb ones or, oh my word, what if it's a lame excuse to scapegoat people as being dumb just so they can pad their pockets with more money? :think:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 08:59 PM
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23. All he has to do is look at all the IT workers who've been laid off. That's where the H1B workers
get their jobs.
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:00 PM
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25. Exactly! My brother was in IT, now he's pounding nails, literally....
Because he had worked his way to the top of the pay scale, now he's unemployable in the IT field. He spent a fortune going to college, graduating with honors & has great skills but can't get work in his field so is pounding nails, doing carpentry work for homeowners & making a lot less money.

So much for going to college to achieve the American dream.
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mule_train Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:12 PM
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27. I worked at a place where H-1bs were hired 'to the bench' all the time
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 10:21 PM by mule_train
which is totally illegal, and what Grassley is talking about

'to the bench' = a body shop hiring an h-1b when there is no assignment yet to put them on, meaning NO SHORTAGE, and glutting the local market with an undeployed worker

body shops do this all the time

GO GRASSLEY!!!!!
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 10:33 AM
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29. good for Grassley...
Where is Dick Durbin? I know that he's been on board with Grassley on this.
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