Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Teachers union says Broward officials blocked e-mails (Florida)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:32 PM
Original message
Teachers union says Broward officials blocked e-mails (Florida)
Source: Miami Herald

The Broward Teachers Union accused the school district Thursday of intercepting hundreds of e-mails sent by school employees to School Board members since March -- without board members' knowledge.
Instead of being delivered to board members' inboxes, the e-mails -- about teacher raises, use of federal stimulus money and employee contract negotiations -- went to a ``quarantined folder'' in an e-mail server, the union says.

BTU lawyers sent Board Attorney Edward Marko and Board Chairwoman Maureen Dinnen a cease and desist letter Thursday threatening legal action if e-mail blocking is not stopped by Oct. 26. The letter says each blocked e-mail is a violation of the board member's and the sender's constitutional rights under U.S. and Florida laws.

The accusation comes at a time when the district faces increased scrutiny after last month's arrest of board member Beverly Gallagher in a federal corruption sting. Board members have admitted the scandal has cost some of the public's faith in the district.

``Considering everything that has been happening recently with Broward schools, and now this, it's no wonder voters and taxpayers are losing trust in our district's leaders,'' BTU President Pat Santeramo said in a statement. ``District officials appear willing to break whatever laws necessary to keep their house of cards standing, but it's falling all around them nonetheless.''

.....



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1284162.html



Their tight little house of cards is falling, indeed.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
1. Thanks and kicking this.
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:45 PM
Response to Original message
2. When I moved to Broward County in 1977, I had to put my 7 yr-old, second grader in private school.
The only opening they had for my son was from 2-8 PM. They were so crowded, with no money for school buildings, books, or teachers, they were running 2 shifts of grade school. We moved to Raleigh, NC about 17 months later. Those were the days when IBM stood for 'I've been moved.'
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 03:01 PM
Response to Original message
3. They shouldn't be threatening to sue.....
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 03:01 PM by DeSwiss
...they should SUE!

- Then they have the leverage.


K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #3
10. If they do, their lawyers should be sanctioned for abuse of process
Edited on Fri Oct-16-09 09:37 AM by ProgressiveProfessor
Law on this is crystal clear.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:13 PM
Response to Original message
4. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 08:18 PM
Response to Original message
5. The legal issue is total nonsense
There is no law or constitutional right that the email must go through. It that was true there would be no restrictions on spam and the anti-spammers would be in jail. While this is not a case of spamming, same rules apply.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 05:29 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. You know this how? Is there a Supreme Court case saying that diverting emails
Edited on Fri Oct-16-09 05:44 AM by No Elephants
from citizens to members of a public body without informing anyone does not violate either the right of free speech or the right to petition government?

No? Then you don't know whether or not a Constitutional right has been denied.

You know the text of every federal and Florida that might possibly be relevant?

No? Then you don't know if any statutory right has been denied.


Mind you, I am not saying you're wrong. I am saying, though, that you are talking through your hat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. The question is, where are the emails being blocked from?
If these are emails from the teachers' personal email accounts, sent from their own computers, then they have a case. If the emails are being sent from the school district's computers, then they have no right to privacy. "He who owns the servers makes the rules." The article doesn't make this clear.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. They have no case, even from private accounts
What few people realize is that mail admins are free to block any and all emails as they choose. This grew out of the anti spam wars.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #7
13. Please see Reply 11.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. I have been an active anti-spammer for many years, we watch the court cases very closely
I recently had to school a police department about this. The IP space they were using was rightfully in several block lists. They tried to threaten the list operators with charges. Took about a week of emails with citations before they realized what fools they were.

Few realize that the Internet is a large collection of PRIVATE networks that agree to cooperate. Email does not have any of the legal protections of snail mail. Operators anywhere along the path may choose to not carry traffic at their whim. Best example of this is Usenet, though there are others. AOL, Hotmail, Gmail, Comcast...are free not to accept mail from certain servers and IP blocks, and do. Block lists are maintained internally by just about every company, and there are numerous public ones that can be subscribed to as well, Spamhaus being the most well known. Microsoft also does it with Outlook on a client level as do others.

Nothing says the email must go through. It is not recognized as legal service either. System operators are allowed to block individual emails or wholesale blocks of IP addresses without penalty. There is no "right" of email.

The legal case is nonsense, there are better ways to achieve the goals intended.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. Sorry, you are still not citing anything legal that says an agency of government has a right to
Edited on Fri Oct-16-09 10:23 AM by No Elephants
divert emails from constituents without notifying the constituents. Or anything else, for that matter.

Private employers blocking what their own employees receive at work has nothing to do with this. Neither does spam. When you are dealing with legal rights, you have to speak to the specific set of facts at hand.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DerBeppo Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. It's not about citing something that says they have the "right to"
It's the fact there's nothing out there that says they can't. Teachers who use district emails to discuss union issues are being under-served by their local union. All email sent through district accounts can be (and sometimes are) screened for content. It may not be necessarily ethical, but it's not illegal.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. I have...basically it is not illegal to block email for any reason.
There is no notification required.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 11:36 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC