6 bodies found in cave, 3 with hearts cut out

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press

6 bodies found in cave, 3 with hearts cut out
ASSOCIATED PRESS
June 7, 2010, 12:48AM

CANCUN, Mexico — Police discovered six dead bodies in a cavern near the tourist resort of Cancun on Sunday, three of them cut open and their hearts removed.

Authorities are investigating the identities of the four men and two women found dead in the natural cave, said Francisco Alor, the Quintana Roo state attorney general.

“They were apparently tortured and their chests were opened to remove the hearts,” Alor's office said later in a statement.

Three of the bodies had the letter “Z” carved on their abdomens — a possible reference to the Zeta drug gang, though officials did not make an explicit connection to cartel violence that has plagued many parts of Mexico.

More than 22,700 people have died nationwide in drug violence since late 2006, when President Felipe Calderon sent soldiers and federal police to battle the cartels.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/7039966.html

[SkyDaddy7]

1. Legalize Cannabis and this crap ends...

starve the beast!!!

But that makes way too much sense so let us keep doing what we have been doing for 4 decades and see if we get a different result.

[Lagomorph]

4. I wish I could agree with you...

I don't oppose legalization, I just have strong doubts about the leopards changing their spots.

I've talked to Equadorans who spoke of landscapers fighting with machetes for streets and blocks.

Life won't get any easier for Latin Americans with legal dope for the USA.

[yurbud]

12. we've destroyed their ability to survive as farmers by dumping subsidized crops,

destroyed wages with NAFTA, and in wide swaths of Central America, they can't fight for farm labor wages because the fruit company will call the CIA and death squads will kill the labor leaders.

They are starving dogs fighting over the last scrap of meat they can find.

[burnsei sensei]

28. It's as if the

Roosevelt Corollary was never abrogated.

[Lagomorph]

31. A well stated assessment of the situation.

What's good for us is not necessarily good for our trading partners and neighbors.

Our power structures, which have been artificially high since WWII, are failing. We rode that horse until it fell over, dead.

Change will come, but it isn't going to be comfortable. People hate being uncomfortable.

[yurbud]

46. it's not even good for us--just a handful of stockholders and banks.

[SkyDaddy7]

13. Of course it is not a cure all!

However, if you remove the major money crop then it will drastically reduce the money these cartels have that create many of the problems for SOME Latin America countries.

It would be one hell of a start!

[nichomachus]

19. Well, it worked here

We used to have gangs, gang wars, drive-by shootings, and mass murder on a wide scale.

Then, we decriminalized alcohol and it pretty much stopped.

[boppers]

29. Interesting comparison

I also note that illegal operations to produce it have stopped as well.

[Lagomorph]

32. Wonderful comparison...

I wonder if we can look forward to legitimized drug smugglers, I mean, importers, putting their entire families in Congress.

[bitchkitty]

18. I don't think that the cartels' business is marijuana.

I think they deal in cocaine. I could be wrong. But we grow much better marijuana HERE - why would anyone buy an inferior product from an unknown place?

[SkyDaddy7]

30. Because not everyone has access to...

the American indoor grown Chronic. Plus, at $80 an eighth not everyone can afford it!

So, the Mexican Cartels do a lot of business here! It is their number 1 money crop. Yes, they do sell cocaine & meth as well. But I am almost positive Marijuana is their number one money maker.

[okieinpain]

43. ah skydaddy you appear to have some pretty good knowledge

there with the prices and all.... :~)

[SkyDaddy7]

48. LOL!

To be honest I had only smoked here and there at the occasional party or class reunion...Until I suffered a spinal cord injury and was left with this really screwed up pain called Neurotic Pain...It burns like sun burn but and intensifies when you move like when your leg falls asleep.

So, I was desperate and so I got real familiar with pricing!

However, I live in the deep south and they treat marijuana smokers worse than murders down here...So, I have been forced to spend $300 a month on a drug made by Pfizer to keep from being thrown in jail in my condition. And to be honest to keep my family & friend from going to jail that were risking it all to get me pot.

I actually grew my own for a while but got too scared after a year and half and went back to my legal corporate drug. I love it! I had so much fun building my own hydro system & growing such BEAUTIFUL Flowers!

I wish i could move to a Medicinal Marijuana State...I could easily grow my own for much less than $300 a month I am paying Pfizer!!

[bitchkitty]

50. There are quite a few MMJ states - I'm in Oregon myself.

There are 14 all together, I believe, but none in the South yet.

I wish GA would get medical marijuana, I'm so sick of rain I could die.

[niceypoo]

39. Legalizing pot wont end it

The cartels are now fighting over street sales in Mexican cities, extortion of local businesses, kidnapping for ransom, etc. It wont end until either one entity emerges on top or the Mexican government contains it.

[Lance_Boyle]

49. Already decriminalized in Mexico.

Next suggestion?

[Scuba]

2. Dick and Liz Cheney's breakfast?

[cosmicone]

16. No ... spare parts for Dick Cheney's heart ..... n/t

[nichomachus]

20. No, silly

they only eat babies.

[Thor_MN]

38. I thought he was just hiding from the results of his energy policy

Turns out he was scavenging for a replacement.

[SergeStorms]

3. Makes you want to book a trip........

to Mexico first thing this morning, doesn't it? :eyes: You couldn't get me to go to Mexico for any amount of money. If they were going to give the world an enema, Mexico is where they'd stick the tube.

[lunatica]

5. Way to be a Jingoist!

You just insulted a multitude of DUers, me included.

[timo]

7. maybe

more like a CHINGOIST.....the whole thing sounds like someones mixing a little santeria/palomayombe in with their terro tactics, I'd say the ones with their hearts got to watch the others get theirs cut out one by one till some information of somekind was divulged...purely monday morning armchair detective work and speculation,

[flamingdem]

40. Don't insult the African religions, they don't cut hearts out, if anything that's Aztec nt

[timo]

45. whatever

well a few years back the mixing of palo mayom,be and santeria by drug runners killed mark killroy a spring breaker dead here in matamoros mexico so I guess they do mix n match whenever they see fit, yeah african religions like the ones that kill little kids for being witches super top notch!!! or is it the ones who will cut off a females clitoris but cutting a heart out is just tooo much?!??!?!??!

[flamingdem]

47. What about Catholic priests doing alter boys?

Can't swipe a whole religion for what some sickos do .

[timo]

51. meh

one mans cult is another mans religion, its pretty fucked up if you ask me, but there is NO denying that the mexican drug gangs mix different bits of palo and santeria , voo doo and santa muerte all together willy nilly so it wasnt really an insult to african stuff

[UpInArms]

8. I always reserved that spot for Borger, Texas ...

Mexico has many redeeming values.

[nichomachus]

21. Then, you haven't been in Ehrenburg, AZ

[whatwasthequestion]

33. In Ehrenburg, AZ

The gasoline is 34 cents cheaper than across the river in California.
On another note, me and the SO went to Cabo last year at the height of the volence and Swine flu and had a great, inexpensive time, because of the vacuum of tourists staying away.

[niceypoo]

41. I enjoyed a similarly inexpensive Mexican trip last year

We went to Puerto Vallarta and Guadalajara and saw few North Americans there. Had a wonderful time regardless.

[a la izquierda]

11. oh give me just a small break, drama queen

i live there part time, and though i'm back in the states, i'd go back tomorrow if i could (actually, i'm going in two weeks). my 55 year old mother is leaving in three weeks for mexico, too.

wow, i'd have a lot more to say to you, but i don't feel like getting my post deleted. i will say, however, that you have a lot of nerve calling Mexico a shithole when you live in Florida.

see, feels good doesn't it?

[nichomachus]

22. Igualmente

I would go to Mexico before I would go to Florida.

[a la izquierda]

36. Right?

And I live in Oklahoma...even I think Florida is lame.

[Tunkamerica]

35. And then florida, right?

[Ian David]

6. Z for Zeta... or maybe Zoro?

[awoke_in_2003]

34. Could be...

we haven't heard from Antonio Banderas in a while :)

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. Part of an Aztec ritual involving the War God Huitzilopochtli ?

Besides the drug connection I found this strange

[lunatica]

10. Stretching the imagination maybe it's the Mayan indigenous natives settling

with the drug cartel.

It could be.

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. I just googled and there are Aztec Drug gangs that even use the Aztec language

to communicate to foil wiretaps.



http://crimewatch.gaeatimes.com/2010/05/02/ap-enterprise-mexican-drug-traffickers-get-from-american-prison-gangs-who-handle-dirty-work-25822/

[niceypoo]

42. Barrio Azteca

They are a prison gang in El Paso and a street gang in Cuidad Juarez. They do the dirty work for the Juarez cartel and are responsible for a lot of the murders in Juarez

[shirleym]

15. Maybe healthy hearts to sell on the black market? nt

[TheMadMonk]

17. Highly unlikely. It takes a specialised transplant team to remove organs...

...for live transplant. A heart simply hacked out of someone's chest would be so loaded with stress hormones and metabolites it would be useless.


Given the recent upsurge in "traditional magical practices" (mostly perversions of less macabre traditions) of a rather nasty nature around the globe, I wouldn't be adverse to dropping a few quid on this being more of the same. Quite possibly cartel related. Maybe a mix of "magic" and gang bonding, like shooting some poor undeserving bastard at random, or raping your sister.

As a magical ingredient or talisman those hearts might have a certain black market value. But IIRC hearts taken as a part of human sacrifice in that part of the world were burned so it would take some very liberal reinterpretation of tradition before one could be planted in a building's foundation as earthquake proofing, like a child's skull might be used in certain parts of Africa.

[nichomachus]

23. More than likely

the hearts were "delivered" to someone as a message.

[AngryAmish]

26. It was the Zetas

But any thug with a gun wants to call himslef a Zeta nowadays. But they are craaaaazy.

[mikelgb]

24. how is the illicit organ trade nowadays?

[nichomachus]

25. Not so good for post-mortem traumatic removal by untrained people at the side of the road

It's a bitch scraping the dirt, pieces of pavement, and bullet fragments off the organs.

[The abyss]

27. Interesting story, Judi +1

The first thing I thought of was Magdalena Solís and the psycho cult she ran in the early 60s down around Yerba Buena/Monterey – I think?

I see she has a wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalena_Sol%C3%ADs but no details. If I recall correctly her group was into sex & drugs, with little to show in the way of hard profit. They were, however, first rate at whacking hearts out of their victims!

Interesting, is it not, how this occult nonsense comes and goes in waves? Probably not related to this story you posted. Just the first thing that came to mind.

Thanks for making the ol’ memory circuits kick it.

[EgyptianGirl]

37. omg

Hope they find who did it.

[Evasporque]

44. My wealthy nieghbor Carlos is getting a new heart....

He is very sickly...oh...I wonder...naaah...weeeeell?? Nahh...