Sephora makes about face, decides to press charges against former Mayor Rudy Giuliani's kid

[onehandle]

Source: New York Daily News

Sephora does not want to kiss and make up. Top officials at the cosmetics chain have told prosecutors they will file a complaint against Caroline Giuliani for shoplifting from an upper East Side store, a police source said.

The flip-flop came just days after the company refused to cooperate in the case - and drew criticism for giving a break to a daughter of privilege. "They realize it was a mistake for a store to hedge the way they did," the source said.

The Ivy League daughter of ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani was busted Wednesday on charges she filched $150 worth of cosmetics from an E. 86th St. Sephora.

Even without the company's help, Giuliani had a pretty slim chance of having her case thrown out, if the Manhattan district attorney's track record is any indication. Nearly 99% of all 11,022 petty larceny arrests in the borough were prosecuted last year, the DA's office said. Only 135 of all those cases were not pursued.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/08/07/2010-08-07_no_longer_sitting_pretty_makeup_store_to_prosecute_giulianis_kid.html

[no_hypocrisy]

1. She'll take a plea deal, pay a fine, and resume her college career.

[saigon68]

40. You have summed it up correctly

[JI7]

2. i wonder if the Ghoul offered money not to press charges

of course they didn't think that if they didn't anytime they had someone else shoplift and wanted to press charges people would bring this up.

[rucky]

3. Has Sephora already forgotten 9/11?

[No Elephants]

29. People who remember 911--and Guiliani's bad decisions before 911--are not fond of Giuliani.

[Beacool]

4. I think that she was seeking attention.

The family has plenty of money, she could afford anything she tried to steal from Sephora. To me, this appears to be a cry for help. Why else the self destructive behavior? Maybe to embarrass her father?

:-(

[ThomCat]

5. The thrill of getting away with it?

:shrug:

Some people see it as an adventure to get away with shoplifting without getting caught. :(

It's a stupid way to get your kicks. At some point you are going to get caught. But if you thought you were untouchable, I guess that was half the fun.

It must suck to find out you aren't so untouchable after all.

[rocktivity]

23. Or maybe it's her idea of working for something

when so much has been handed to her--right down to a legacy admission to Harvard, perhaps?

:shrug:
rocktivity

[karynnj]

8. It certainly indicates some emotional problems

which are certainly understandable from when you consider that she would have been 10 in 2000 when both NYC tabloids had daily revelations on her father's infidelity. Remember that he wanted to bring his mistress into the mayor's mansion, where his wife and kids were living. He blindsided his wife by telling the media that they were divorcing before telling her. This obviously means that this is how this 10 year old found out. (Even with both parents telling the kids together in the best, most supportive way they could, this has to be an earthquake in a 10 year old's life.)

I had, at the time, been horrified by what the wife, who did already know the marriage was in trouble, had to deal with. However, the kids were the truly innocent victims here. Like you, I think this is a cry for help. It could well be striking out against her father as well, but from all accounts the reason he did not even try to run for governor (or one of the Senate seats) is that he had very little support. (I still wonder how - with all of this in his past - he thought he could become President. But, Gingrich still appears to think he has a chance.)

[Beacool]

17. I have never liked Giuliani.

I lived through his mandate. But I never despised him until he treated his family so shabbily. I remember reading that an aide to his wife ran into her office telling her that she may want to turn on the TV. Her husband was announcing that he was divorcing her. The miserable piece of crap hadn't bothered to tell his wife or kids that he was leaving them for that dog killing mistress of his. He humiliated his wife, but it was the kids for whom I felt terrible. They were pulled from school that day to see daddy telling the world on TV that he was leaving their mom. What a miserable turd!!!! He didn't have the common decency to tell his wife first and then both of them could have explained it to the children. Nope, his family had to find out his decision through a televised press conference. He was the only candidate running for either party whom I thought did not deserve to get anywhere near the Oval Office not on political grounds, but because as a human being he was a piece of shit.

:mad:

[karynnj]

19. Agree completely

It is actually mind boggling that he had the chutzpah to run after that.

Oddly, it may be Democrats who REALLY have more values on things like this. It was, in its own way, as bad as what John Edwards did and I think I can safely predict that Edwards, for all the political skill he had, will never be a serious Democratic candidate for anything major again. As were Gingrich's actions - yet he still being considered.

[No Elephants]

30. His wife had to go to court to keep his mistress out of their marital home, which

Gracie Mansion was at that time.

His wife said she did not want to move out because she wanted the security for her kids.

[LostinVA]

14. I agree -- this usually points to some type of emotional issues

And, considering how her brother feels about their Dad, she probably is acting out. Very sad all around. A fine and community service is appropriate for a crime like this, but I do hope she's in counseling.

[Beacool]

18. Giuliani's kids were the only adult children who did not campaign for their dad or mom.

Edwards, Romney, Hillary, McCain, etc. had adult children who campaigned for them. Guiliani was the exception. Why, some may ask? because he's a nasty person who didn't love his kids enough to tell them in person that he was leaving their mother. Good for the kids, screw him!!!

I'm sorry to see his daughter do something so self destructive which may affect her entire life.

:(

[LostinVA]

20. By all accounts, the Bush Twins are pretty liberal Dems

And they campaigned for their father. I don't begrudge them that -- he's their Dad, and he may very well have been a decent Dad to him. I'm not one to judge that, as much as I loathe GWB, but the Twins seem to be well-adjusted adults. So, they campaigned for Dad, but I didn't realize that about Rudy's kids until you said that. He was a real creep to their mother.

I can't rip her apart for this -- she needs to pay the fine and do the community service and pay restitution, but I also hope this helps her get some balance into her life.

on edit: Megan McCain seems pretty liberal overall, too, and she campaigned for her Dad.

[Beacool]

24. Exactly, love of dad or mom supersedes politics.

As it should. Most of these people running for president in 2008 seemed to be good parents, politics aside. The one exception was Giuliani (well, maybe Edwards may not wholly fit the category of good father either) and he doesn't deserve his kids' love.

I'm sorry that Caroline chose such a destructive way to act out. I hope that she pays her dues and gets some therapy to deal with her issues.

;-)

[No Elephants]

31. I would not bet a dime of my money on the Bush twins being Dem, let alone liberal Dem.

Megan did indeed lean Democratic, though I don't know about liberal. While her Dad was running, as a Father's Day gift, she became a registered Republican. She's been a Republican blogger for some time now.

[LostinVA]

33. I would, because of what they have -- and haven't -- said

And by the things they've done since graduation.

By friends' accounts, they are quite liberal, including being pro marriage equality.

[karynnj]

39. I wouldn't take position on gay rights to be an indicator

By every survey, it is far more based on age - and in this age group, it is heavily favored. (Which means equality will happen)

[JI7]

26. i always found Giuliani to be worse than the others

as much as i hate many republicans politicians, Bush being a big example you can't say they don't love or care about their kids.

with Giuliani i get a different feeling from him. i'm not saying he hates his kids or anything but it seems like he doesn't have concern maybe ? i'm not sure what but he always just comes off as worse even when you take away any political partisanship.

also Giuliani is actually more moderate than the others so i know my negative reaction to him isn't about political positions.

[LostinVA]

27. Maybe he's put his emotional needs over his kids'?

And his convenience over their's, especially when they were younger?

[Beacool]

28. Yes, he's more moderate than some other Republicans.

But as a father he failed big time. He cared more about his mistress than the needs of his children. How could he not soften the blow of his separation from his wife by not telling them in person before announcing it to the public? What kind of father does that? What kind of man is so inconsiderate and disrespectful of his wife and children that he doesn't talk to them first? I never liked the man, but after the terrible way he treated his family, I think that he is scum.

:(

[No Elephants]

32. I don't see him as moderate. He is not a fundie on social wedge issues (nor could he be, given his

own record). But he's as gung ho as looking the other way on police brutality and corruption, war, "drill, baby, drill," etc. as any other far right wing nut.

[JI7]

25. from the video they showed she was smiling ,i'm not sure it's the one taken

after she got caught though. but if it is it did seem like she was kind of happy about it. but not happy in the joyuful sense but more of a smirky type when you get some satisfaction from something bad happening to someone you don't like.

[Jennicut]

41. A definite cry for help. The young woman has very serious issues to deal with, and she

has not had a good relationship with her father at all. My sister in law had the same problem with her father and it took years, until she was about 29 to work things out. That was only a few years ago. I think she needs an appropriate punishment but also some counseling.

[winstars]

6. ZERO TOLERANCE!!!

HEY HEY HEY!!! This is how "America's Mayor" "cleaned up NYC'... All crimes, petty included, prosecuted: smoking pot on the street, squeegee guys, shoplifters etc... Bye Bye Caroline, you are gonna get fucked by Dad's leftover fascist BS...

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[cosmicone]

9. She was stealing them for Daddy ... to go with his new cocktail dress n/t

[LostinVA]

15. All of these taunts about cross-dressing are REALLY inappropriate

[cosmicone]

21. I apologize ...

I have nothing against cross dressing or any person's sexual orientation.

I was taunting Giuliani's hypocrisy in being against in public the very things he does in private.

I hope you understand and forgive.

[No Elephants]

34. What hypocrisy?

[cosmicone]

42. Hypocrisy is being in a party that opposes the way Rudy

wants to live his life.

Actually, not only opposes but demonizes, vilifies and tries to pass laws against a segment of society.

This without even a minor squeal of opposition by Rudy.

[No Elephants]

36. All? I saw one on this thread . Granted, that's one too many, but it's still only one.

[Gecko6400]

10. Why are you folks

Gay bashing? Sometimes the hypocrisy on DU astounds me.

[davidinalameda]

11. welcome to DU

be prepared to be astounded more

and if you do see posts like the preceding ones, hit alert

the mods are generally pretty good at removing crap like that

:hi:

[Gecko6400]

13. Thank you David!

[No Elephants]

35. Why are you addressing that to the OP?

I saw only one post before yours that could be described as "bashing", and that was about cross dressing. Why not reply to the one poster who made the remark?

[ProgressiveEconomist]

12. Denying 'a break to a daughter of privilege'? Or continuing to reap free advertising

after Sephora marketers saw how much publicity the story was getting?

In this case, civic-mindedness and greed may converge on the same result--continiung to feed a "couldn't resist our products" story that gets the name "Sephora" out there again and again.

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[rocktivity]

22. Cue The Vonage Theme!

And remember, you wrote the rules, Rudy...

:woohoo:
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[No Elephants]

37. Rudy would have to work himself up a long way to get to pond scum. No offense to pond

scum intended.

A little tippity top of the iceberg:

http://gothamist.com/2010/08/08/breaking_rudy_giuliani_is_hypocriti.php

http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Rudolph+Giuliani/50/

[Odin2005]

38. See, the rich ALWAYS get off easy.

:grr: