Taliban 'kill adulterous Afghan couple' in marketplace

[Turborama]

Source: BBC

August 16 2010 Last updated at 09:40 GMT -

A man and a woman who allegedly had an adulterous affair have been stoned and killed in the northern Afghan province of Kunduz. The punishment happened in a crowded bazaar on Sunday in the Taliban-controlled village of Mullah Quli.

The Taliban have not commented on the public killing, but it was confirmed by local officials and witnesses.

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Mohammad Ayub, the governor of Imam Sahib district in Kunduz, told the BBC on Monday: "The Taliban brought them to the local bazaar. They stoned them because they were accused of adultery. There was a big crowd of people who watched."

Two witnesses from Mullah Quli told the BBC that the Taliban asked the villagers to attend the stoning through an announcement on loudspeakers in the mosque. "There was a big crowd of people," one witness said.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10983494

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(The rest of the article describes how the couple were tricked into coming back into the village after eloping)



Afghan couple 'stoned to death' over love affair

(AFP) –

KUNDUZ, Afghanistan — A man and woman have been stoned to death in northern Afghanistan after being accused by the Taliban of having an affair, a witness and an official said Monday.

The 23-year-old woman and 28-year-old man were killed because "they had an affair," said Mohammad Ayob, the governor of Imam Sahib district in Kunduz province.

"Two people were stoned to death by Taliban in Mullah Quli village late yesterday," he said. The village is under the control of the Taliban.

Mullah Quli resident Abdul Satar said about 100 people, most of them Taliban insurgents, gathered in the village on Sunday evening as a statement was read out saying the pair had confessed to their affair.

Full article: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5irvOEf5d8W8-Z8RN-AEN1oQE6ayw

[midnight]

1. If we continue with the patriot act, we might soon see this

guilty without trial going on here. Ignorance seems to be the emotional flames that incite this guilty without procedure of trial.

[Judi Lynn]

2. Financing regimes which torture & lay waste 2 entire villages is nothing 2 write home about, either

but it has never inhibited this country's policies, nor has it ever seemed important enough to be covered by the U.S. corporate media's professional liars.

[MarkInSavannah]

26. No..........Islam appears to be the emotional flame.

Flag for liberal use of vacuous rhetoric.

[Submariner]

3. Sex is wrong...but...Murder is okay?

Makes me wonder who has the most ignorant and vindictive god, the muslims or the christians. These ultra-believers are batshit f'ing crazy.

[another saigon]

4. after the false Time Magazine front cover story

I don't believe much coming from M$M propaganda sources.

[Turborama]

6. What was "false" about the Time cover story?

Are you talking about the Taliban's denial?

If so, you might want to take a little look at their previous form: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8922280&mesg_id=8923044

[superconnected]

32. Yep - Time Magazine had lost me forever. I no longer believe anything they say.

[another saigon]

35. "the Taliban didn't figure at all in this account"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129173660

The Nation: A Democratic Future For Afghan Women

by Ann Jones


August 13, 2010

Ann Jones, author of Kabul in Winter, does humanitarian work in post conflict zones with NGOs and the United Nations.

I know Bibi Aisha, the young Afghan woman pictured on the August 9 cover of Time, and I rejoice that her mutilated nose and ears are going to be surgically repaired. But the logic of those who use Aisha's story to convince us that the US military must stay in Afghanistan escapes me. Even Aisha has already left for America.

I realize that last remark has no logical basis, but then neither does the Time cover line "What Happens if We Leave Afghanistan" beside a shocking photo depicting what happened (to this woman) after we had already stayed for eight years. I heard Aisha's story from her a few weeks before the image of her face was displayed all over the world. She told me that her father-in-law caught up with her after she ran away, and took a knife to her on his own; village elders later approved, but the Taliban didn't figure at all in this account. The Time story, however, attributes Aisha's mutilation to a husband under orders of a Taliban commander, thereby transforming a personal story, similar to those of countless women in Afghanistan today, into a portent of things to come for all women if the Taliban return to power. Profoundly traumatized, Aisha might well muddle her story, but what excuses reporters who seem to inflate the role of the Taliban with every repetition of the case? Some reports have Aisha "sentenced" by a whole Taliban "jirga."

The Taliban do terrible things. Yet the problem with demonizing them is that it diverts attention away from other, equally unpleasant and threatening facts. Let's not make the common mistake of thinking that the devil we see is the only one.

[HopeHoops]

5. "Back then it wasn't AGAINST the law to get stoned. It WAS the law."

-- From the trailer to "Life of Brian".

It is almost beyond belief that this disgusting practice is still going on. And from the link:

"Earlier this month, the Taliban publicly flogged and then killed a pregnant widow for alleged "adultery" in western Badghis province." :wtf:

I simply can't imagine the mindset of the people who conducted the execution. If we had laws like that here, a significant percentage of our politicians would suffer the same fate - including the Gingrinch.

[Odin2005]

7. Sadly, we created these fuckers.

Had to Beat The Russians, ya know! :puke:

[HopeHoops]

9. Them in particular, yes. The disgusting practice of stoning, no.

The "E-GADS! The Ruskies gots the BOMB! HIDE UNDER THE DESK AT SCHOOL!" bullshit certainly allowed it to continue, but it was there for a LOOOOONG time.

[pipoman]

13. We created radical fundamentalist Islam?

No, no WE didn't.

[Odin2005]

17. I meant we funded the Islamists and set them lose in Afghanistan.

[cosmicone]

20. We are still funding them via Pakistan.

Stop funding Pakistani army and ISI and Taliban will wither on the vine.

[ChromeFoundry]

28. Dupe n/t

[Francesca9]

39. exactly so

[Turborama]

40. So, if, as you say, we are partly responsible for setting the barbaric Taliban loose on the Afghans

Should we just say to them, "Tough shit, deal with it!"...?

[burnsei sensei]

22. We didn't create them.

But we made the grave mistake of trusting them.

[CJvR]

29. The Islamofacist are a pimple...

...on the ass of the world, the Soviets were the smallpox.

[Phil The Cat]

34. It could have been Russians with the blood on their hands

If we would have minded our own business, the Soviet Union might STILL be intact, spending THEIR treasury and losing THEIR sons, while clamping down tight and exterminating millions of Afghanis in their quest to steal Afghanistan's natural resources!

We wouldn't be the monsters - THEY would! And so the radicals would all either be dead or fighting the Soviet Union and leaving us alone!

[Prometheus Bound]

8. AP reported that she was killed for murdering her baby.

[Turborama]

12. Have you got a link to that particular article?

Thanks in advance...

[Prometheus Bound]

15. Here you go.

In a Taliban-controlled area of northwest Afghanistan, a widow named Bibi Sanubar was fatally shot by militants Sunday — once in the head and once in the chest — for allegedly killing her newborn child to conceal illicit sex, Abdul Jabbar Khan, deputy police chief of Baghdis province, said Monday.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hvWEqwq3CrRvaQCmt21MfoYhjZJQD9HG5R3O0

Abdul Jabbar Khan, security chief in the Taliban-controlled area, said the killing was ordered after the woman allegedly killed her newborn child to conceal illicit sex.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1301487/Bibi-Sanubar-Afghan-widow-shot-dead-Taliban-adultery-pregnant.html#ixzz0wHJN6Iz8

[Turborama]

16. And then there's this...

Pregnant widow accused of adultery executed by Taliban
By Matiullah Mati, CNN
August 9, 2010

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- The Taliban has executed a pregnant widow accused of adultery in western Afghanistan, provincial and district officials said Monday.

The 47-year-old woman, Sanam Gul, also known as Sanam Bibi, was killed in Badghis province Saturday morning, said Ashrafuddin Majidi, the provincial governor's spokesman.

The district governor of Qades, Hashim Habibi, confirmed the execution. He said the woman was accused of adultery that left her pregnant. The Taliban shadow district governor, Mullah Abdul Hakim, and his judge ordered the woman to be executed, he said.

Mohammad Yousuf, a Taliban commander, carried out the execution, shooting the woman in her head, Habibi said.

Full article: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/08/09/afghanistan.woman.killed

And the Daily Mail article you cite says this:

Afghan widow given more than 200 lashes before being shot dead by Taliban for adultery was PREGNANT
By MAIL FOREIGN SERVICE

Last updated at 4:51 PM on 10th August 2010

The Afghan woman publicly executed by Taliban militants for alleged adultery was pregnant, it emerged today.

Full article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1301487/Bibi-Sanubar-Afghan-widow-shot-dead-Taliban-adultery-pregnant.html#ixzz0wm7V05wJ

[Prometheus Bound]

19. Yup, we had a long talk about that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8922280&mesg_id=8922280

[Turborama]

24. Of course!

My bad, I just totally forgot that was your thread.

*facepalm*

[Prometheus Bound]

25. .

:)

[Turborama]

30. This is how CNN is reporting this one....

Taliban stones man and woman to death for allegedly having affair

By the CNN Wire Staff
August 16, 2010

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- The Taliban stoned to death a man and a woman in northern Afghanistan for allegedly having an affair, officials said Monday.

The stoning took place Sunday in Dasht-e-Archi district, in the village of Mullah Qali -- a village dominated by the Taliban in Kunduz province.

The pair was accused of having an illicit sexual relationship, a spokesman for the Kunduz governor said.

The woman was about 20 years old and the man was about 27, said Mohammed Ayuob, district governor of Amam Sahib, which is also in Kunduz province. The woman was engaged, and the man was married to another woman. The two had been held by the Taliban for about a week, Ayuob said.

From: http://cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/08/16/afghanistan.stoning.death

[mikeytherat]

10. See what happens without a strong U.S. military presence in Afghanistan?

Oh, wait. Never mind.

Perhaps Time could run another cover story: Afghanistan: What Will Happen While We're There?

mikey_the_rat

[dyingnumbers]

38. You almost had me there...

[Name removed]

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[Beacool]

14. In an ideal world I wish that someone would gather the Taliban and stone THEM to death.

They live in an intellectual stone age.

x(

[d_r]

18. The kind of weird part

The Koran doesn't call for stoning or death for adulterers - it calls for 100 lashes. The Christian bible calls for the death penalty for adulterers.

Leviticus 20:10:
"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

Deuteronomy 22:23-24
"If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city."

Deuteronomy 22:13-21
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.

It hurts my brain and boggles my mind that in the US there are people who want to let the majority vote to impose their religious vies about marriage on the minority.

[Art_from_Ark]

37. Actually, the Christian part of the Christian Bible (New Testament)

does not condone stoning.

From the Book of John, Chapter 8:

1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. 2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

[jeremyfive]

21. No Taliban, No Problem

Let's take them out.

[Prometheus Bound]

23. We've been trying for about nine years, haven't we?

[Scruffy1]

27. Except that the rest are misogynists too.

Karzai and company are no better. Misogyny is deep seated in the Afghani culture.

[slackmaster]

31. "Culture of Peace" again

:nuke:

[happyslug]

33. A Public Stoning is just that, a Stoning by the Public

Thus the Taliban called the people of the Village together, so ALL of them can participate in the Stoning. Anyone can say no and just NOT pick up a stone, but apparently everyone picked up a stone....

The question is WHY did her family let this happen? And by Family I mean her Father, uncles, Grandfathers, Brothers etc (I concentrate on Male relatives for this is a paternalistic society we are discussing). It is a common practice to just divorce such women, unless something else is going in.

Stoning had long been the punishment for adultery, for example, in the story of Jesus, Joseph was going to just divorce Mary when he found that she was pregnant with Jesus, as opposed to having her stoned for adultery. That changed when an Angel appeared to him and told Joseph that was God's plan.

Such private divorces seems to be the norm at that time period as opposed to any Stoning, which did occur but almost always for some other reason then the sex act. The classic example of that is when Jesus was faced with the situation with the woman accused of Adultery. Jesus only comment was he who is without sin cast the first stone. That was to get out of the trap set for him and the woman was only a pawn in that trap. The trap was simple, agents of the Temple Priests wanted Jesus to condemn the woman, as required by the "Law". This would make the townspeople mad at Jesus for forcing them to do what the law required, even when they did NOT want to do it. On the other hand, if Jesus told the Village people NOT to kill her, Jesus would have fallen into the trap of NOT requiring people to follow Jewish Law. By NOT saying anything except to call for the first stone to be thrown by a person without sin, he avoided the trap. The townspeople were NOT mad at Jesus for forcing them to kill one of their own, but the agents of the Priests could NOT say he told the Village people NOT to follow the law. At the end just Jesus and the woman (Who is unnamed in the bible) were left alone, and he told her to leave and sin no more.

My point is, stoning is ancient, but so are situations of people NOT being stoned (David and Bathsheba is another example). Generally stonings only occurred when something else was up, as in case of Jesus and the adulteress. The sex crime was minor, and can be covered up by the people of the village (And has been done in the past as seen with the example of Joseph and Mary), what else is going on? Murder of the infant sounds like a more likely cause, but I can also NOT rule out she was having sex with the wrong man i.e. someone her family oppose her to marry more then anything else. Marriage in most cultures, is MORE then one person agreeing to marry another, it is two FAMILIES agreeing to act as one in regards to a Couple. Somehow both families (The woman's and her husband') did NOT want to support her in this situation. Something else is up, probably having to do with village politics. What I can not say, nor can anyone else who has no contact with the Village.

[Turborama]

36. NYT: Afghan Couple Stoned to Death on Taliban Orders

By ROD NORDLAND
Published: August 16, 2010

KABUL, Afghanistan — The Taliban on Sunday ordered their first public executions by stoning since their fall from power nine years ago, killing a young couple who had unsuccessfully tried to elope, according to Afghan officials and an eyewitness.

The punishment was carried out by hundreds of the victims’ neighbors and even their family members in a village in northern Kunduz Province, according to Nadir Khan, 40, a local farmer and Taliban sympathizer, who was interviewed by telephone.

As a Taliban mullah prepared to read the judgment of a religious “court,” Mr. Khan said the lovers, a 25-year-old man named Khayyam and a 19-year-old woman named Siddiqa, defiantly confessed in public to their relationship.

“They said, ‘We love each other no matter what happens,’ ” Mr. Khan said.

Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/world/asia/17stoning.html?hp