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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:41 AM
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US defence chief confirms plans to quit
Source: AFP

AFP

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates confirmed on Monday plans to leave office next year, saying he first wanted to make sure the start of the American withdrawal from Afghanistan is on track.

"I think that by next year I'll be in a position where - you know, we're going to know whether the strategy is working in Afghanistan," Gates said in an interview with the American magazine Foreign Policy.

"We'll have completed the surge. We'll have done the assessment in December. And it seems like somewhere there in 2011 is a logical opportunity to hand off."



Read more: http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/us-defence-chief-confirms-plans-to-quit-20100816-12752.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 08:55 AM
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1. I recommended this. It didn't register, as someone unrec'd it as I rec'd.
Can't imagine a DEMOCRAT wanting to see Bush's Defense choice remain at this position. Jesus H. Christ.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:34 AM
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3. he is also obama's defense choice. obama totally owns it now.
though it was bipartisan all along, as are all our wars.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:48 AM
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5. No, he doesnt. Nixon did not own Vietnam even though he escalated. etc. etc.
You keep trying to push this bullshit meme. It says a lot more about you than it does about Obama.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:40 AM
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18. But Nixon owned Cambodia
Does that mean Obama now owns Pakistan?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 11:00 AM
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22. +1
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:07 PM
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28. -1 for not recognizing the historical inaccuracy
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:07 PM
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27. Nope, that was started under Bush too. Next? n/t
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 11:28 AM
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23. well, what can i say...
...oh i know....WRONG!!!!

nixon was at the very least, part owner of vietnam, along with kennedy, johnson, and both parties. don't know how any sane person could see it otherwise.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:09 PM
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29. No, YOU are wrong and revising history. NO ONE says Nixon owns/owned Vietnam
That is more bullshit you are pushing, trying to revise history to support your ridiculous anti-Obama agenda.

Can you be any more transparent? You aren't fooling anyone.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 11:38 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 10:11 PM
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 06:09 AM
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36. Nixon owns every death, injury and dollar from his Inauguration forward.
Edited on Wed Aug-18-10 06:13 AM by No Elephants
So did Eisenhower. So did Kennedy. So did Johnson. And, yes, so did Nixon. Especially because he, like Johnson, escalated. Saying otherwise is simply untrue.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 03:23 PM
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41. Here is a test. Can you find any sentiment anywhere, pre-Obama, that voices this?
I'll save you the time, the answer is No. This is all new stuff, a historic revisionism created to support the anti-Obama agenda of some.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 11:50 PM
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33. Exactly.
'Bipartisan' equals two sides of the same coin.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 08:57 AM
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40. Taking cues from the RNC? Classy!
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20009569-503544.html

Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele suggested at a Connecticut fundraiser that Afghanistan is "a war of Obama's choosing" despite the fact that it began years before the president took office.

As criticism of his comments grew Friday, Steele issued a statement saying that he supported the U.S. troops, but did not address his factual mistake.

Steele also said of U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan: "This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in."
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:28 AM
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2. plenty of time to replace him with yet another bush republican? nt
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:45 AM
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4. actually no...the favorite to replace gates is Michèle Flournoy
an obama appointee
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:37 AM
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17. Didn't know. Thanks. Here's her Wiki for others who don't know anything about her background:
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 12:01 AM
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34. Thanks for posting.
She donated money to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. She'll doubtless blend right in with this crowd.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 06:25 AM
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37. Gates is an Obama appointee, too.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:51 AM
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6. Should leave before December
Let the successor come in and determine whether the strategy is working, not the guy that sold the strategy to begin with.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:53 AM
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7. I thought Gates would stay on a bit longer to attempt
to use a Republican (Gates) in an attempt to trim the defense budget in an "Only Nixon could go to China" sort of way. I don't know any Democrat cutting the defense budget that wouldn't make Republics and the media freak out - maybe Sam Nunn?
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:01 AM
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11. not to mention democrats
freaking out too. i can't see gene taylor and ike skelton sitting down quitely when it came to proposed cuts. The truth is that both parties in general "love" large military expenditures. Whatever cuts will come will come in the form of operational expenditures (spending on the wars) and in growth of the base budget. There probably won't be any overall cuts to the base budget itself- even obama has said that he is content with small real growth in the buget each year (1-2% over inflation). this would put it on track to have the smallest increases than most other parts of the discretionary budget (which increases about 3% every year)
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:17 AM
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14. Agreed - it's both parties
Look at how hard Gates & Obama had to fight to just cut one friggin' defense program that the Pentagon did not even want! (Something related to one of the new Joint Strike Fighters, I believe)
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:23 AM
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16. the second engine for the JSF
and it looks like they may lose the fight afterall. I read somewhere that over 6 million american jobs are related to U.S. defense spending; if thats true you won't see either party jumping to make cuts anytime soon
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 06:38 AM
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38. You're still thinking about basing Democratic conduct on what people, esp, Republicans, might say?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:58 AM
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8. Gates wants to retire in 2011
Source: CNN

Washington (CNN) -- Defense Robert Gates is expected to leave his post in the spring of 2011, a senior administration source told CNN on Monday.

A Pentagon spokesman confirmed that Gates wants to retire some time next year. Gates was quoted in an article in the magazine Foreign Policy published Monday saying he wanted to step down before the end of 2011.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said references in the article to Gates' desire to retire next year "accurately reflect the secretary's thoughts."

According to the senior administration official, Gates privately promised President Barack Obama he would not leave the Cabinet in 2010 in order to maintain stability at the Pentagon while more U.S. forces are heading to Afghanistan.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/16/gates.retirement/index.html?section=cnn_latest
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:58 AM
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9. He CAN'T retire yet- he's not 95 years old!
Isn't that how old the rest of us have to be now before retiring? What is he, anyway? Special or something???????
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:58 AM
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10. He has been a faithful servant to the MIC, and he will be rewarded handsomely
is my bet.
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:03 AM
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12. where do you get your info????
Gates has been one of the MIC's worst nightmares- pushing fixed price contracts, trimming weapon sysmtems and pushing for cost efficiencies. No matter who is in the secdef position, they will have to deal with the defense industry- because without the defense industry- the military has no weapons (unless you want to go back to the gov't arsenal days)
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:07 AM
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13. Yeah, that's why the defense budget went up...
He's playing his role, nothing more.
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:20 AM
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15. most increases went to pay for rising personel costs
such as healthcare, salaries and benefits. When you increase salaries every year by 5% ofcourse you are going to need increases. Also we keep increasing our maintnence budget, SO WE DO NOT HAVE TO BUY NEW EQUIPMENT.

actually FY10-11 change in procurement spending was -1.8%

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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:11 PM
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30. There ya go posting facts again. You interrupted a perfectly good MIC conspiracy rant with empirical
data. That's not fair you know!

;-)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:40 AM
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19. Leaving in time to help the next Republican candidate for the presidency.
Gates is another one of Obama's horrible decisions.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:49 AM
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20. Adios! Warmonger!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:59 AM
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21. Another Bushy Boy I'll be glad to see gone.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 12:05 PM
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24. bye bye bad rubbish
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 12:40 PM
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25. Enter Wes Clark
The 5 year exclusion is up. :thumbsup:
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KewlKat Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 06:26 PM
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26. As much as I'd like to see Wes in that job
I doubt he'd consider it now as he's on so many corp boards, etc. I think he's truly enjoying speaking his mind and making money these days.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 10:14 PM
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31. It's been good having a Secretary of Defense
Edited on Mon Aug-16-10 10:15 PM by DFLforever
who has had some success in controlling the military. I hope we can find another one.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 07:11 AM
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39. Oh yeah ugh hugh. Keep the war machine greased. It's been lovely.
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