Mumps Vaccine Coverage Should Be Improved, Study Finds

[HuckleB]

Source: Science Daily

Although immunity to mumps is high in the United States, mumps vaccine coverage must be maintained and improved to prevent future outbreaks, according to a new study, now available online, in the September 1, 2010 issue of The Journal of Infectious Diseases.

Mumps -- a viral illness found in most parts of the world -- can cause serious complications, including deafness, sterility, meningitis, and encephalitis. Since 1977, mumps vaccination has been recommended in the U.S. and is given as part of the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) vaccine. Two doses are currently recommended for children. By 2000, the annual number of reported U.S. mumps cases had declined to less than 500. But in 2006, the country's largest mumps outbreak in 20 years began on college campuses in Iowa and resulted in more than 6,000 reported cases. This event raised questions about how to prevent future outbreaks and about the feasibility of eliminating mumps.

To measure the U.S. population's immunity to mumps, Preeta K. Kutty, MD, MPH, and other researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) obtained blood samples from 6- to 49-year-old participants in a nationwide health survey and tested the samples for antibodies to mumps. Serum samples were tested and survey data were collected during 1999-2004 from more than 15,000 people. Researchers found that 90 percent of the participants had antibodies to mumps; this is on the lower end of what is needed to protect the overall population through "herd immunity" -- the proportion of the population that needs to be vaccinated to stop transmission of mumps.

...

The findings emphasize the "importance of achieving and maintaining a high rate of vaccination in the community, continuing surveillance for mumps, promptly reporting known and suspected cases of mumps to public health officials so that they can take immediate steps to stop further spread of the virus, and studying and understanding the changing factors that affect the introduction and spread of mumps in the U.S.," Dr. Kutty said.

Read more: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100824161509.htm

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Valuable FYI, in my opinion.

[Milo_Bloom]

1. If they seperated it out, we would probably give it to our child..

But they stopped making it that way, leaving the MMR as the only option, which is no option at all.

[Odin2005]

3. The MMR does not Give your kid "Teh Autism". get your kid the damn shot.

[Ian David]

8. Where the fuck do those people come from? The case was closed on this hoax long ago. n/t

[Milo_Bloom]

11. Didn't say it did.

But the combined shot has a higher rate of serious side effects than any of the things it protects against.

[HuckleB]

14. Please prove this assertion with peer-reviewed evidence.

[Milo_Bloom]

16. Look up the side effects on the CDC website.

[HuckleB]

17. That doesn't prove your assertion.

I'm waiting.

PS: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/combo-vaccines/mmr/faqs-mmr-hcp.htm

"A story on "60 Minutes" suggested administering each component of MMR in separate injections to decrease the risk of autism. Is there any reason to do this?
There is no scientific reason for or benefit to separating the antigens. There is no credible evidence that measles vaccine or MMR increases the risk of autism. Separating the doses puts children (and pregnant women who may be exposed to them) at increased risk for these diseases by extending the amount of time children remain unvaccinated. Studies have shown that if parents have to schedule additional appointments for vaccinations, there is an increased risk that their children may not receive all the vaccines they need. Further information about autism and vaccines is available at www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/faq_vaccines.htm."

[Milo_Bloom]

18. Yes it does.

Please provide a peer reviewed journal that shows the opposite.

[HuckleB]

19. You made the claim.

Back it up.

I'll quote the CDC here again:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/combo-vaccines/mmr/faqs-mmr-hcp.htm

"A story on "60 Minutes" suggested administering each component of MMR in separate injections to decrease the risk of autism. Is there any reason to do this?
There is no scientific reason for or benefit to separating the antigens. There is no credible evidence that measles vaccine or MMR increases the risk of autism. Separating the doses puts children (and pregnant women who may be exposed to them) at increased risk for these diseases by extending the amount of time children remain unvaccinated. Studies have shown that if parents have to schedule additional appointments for vaccinations, there is an increased risk that their children may not receive all the vaccines they need. Further information about autism and vaccines is available at www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/faq_vaccines.htm."

[HuckleB]

20. More from the CDC...

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/MMR/MMR.html

[Milo_Bloom]

22. And now complete your research.

[HuckleB]

25. New vaccine-scheduling study deals blow to safety fears

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/05/new-vaccine-scheduling-study-deals-blow-to-safety-fears.ars

I can do this all day. I know that the vast majority of evidence, and the truly credible evidence speaks against your claim.

[Milo_Bloom]

27. Why are you going on about autism?

[HuckleB]

29. How much red herring are you going to serve?

Your claim has been shown to be baseless. Why are you continuing to respond?

[Milo_Bloom]

31. Did you even read anything before flying off the handle?

[HuckleB]

33. "Flying off the handle."

:rofl:

Keep delaying.

[Milo_Bloom]

34. Delaying what?

Your mistunderstanding of what was said?

Your incorrecting thinking my objection to the MMR had something to do with autism?

Thank god you are not a doctor.

[HuckleB]

36. Again with the red herring.

Now you are choosing to ignore the posts that don't address the autism issue, as well as continuing to pretend that all the posts that do address the autism issue only address the autism issue.

I've asked you to back up your claims repeatedly.

You have failed to do that.

[Milo_Bloom]

39. What post am I supposedly "ignoring"?

[HuckleB]

42. Try the posts with the links to the CDC matters, for starters.

:eyes:

[Milo_Bloom]

47. Hardly.

I am actually one referencing the CDC.

You forget that already?

[HuckleB]

50. I'm the one who actually posted links and quotes from the CDC...

... those address your false safety claims.

You forgot that already?

[Milo_Bloom]

53. Wrong.

The links you provided proved the point.

[HuckleB]

56. They disproved your claim.

Thanks for clarifying that.

[Milo_Bloom]

61. This is why I wouldn't listen to your opinion.

You just make it up.

They prove my claim PERFECTLY. Showing the instances of serious side effects.

[HuckleB]

65. This is your claim:

"But the combined shot has a higher rate of serious side effects than any of the things it protects against."

No one ever said there were no side effects. However, the CDC does not back up your claim, in any way, shape or form.

Try again.

[Milo_Bloom]

69. Yes, it does.

The side effect rate was LOWER on an individual basis.

[HuckleB]

72. Prove it.

Quote the peer-reviewed studies that back up your claim, with links, as well as any studies show the opposite. Show me you can do more than just make BS remarks.

If you can't do it, then I'm done playing your delay game.

[Milo_Bloom]

79. FOLLOW THE LINKS YOU PROVIDED

And looks up the instances of side effects in the COMBINED vax vs the instances of side effects in the SOLO VAX.

You will find that the instances of serious side effects are double (although rare in both cases.. but LESS RARE than the serious side effects of the illnesses when treated properly).

[HuckleB]

81. So you can't do it.

That's what I figured.

[Milo_Bloom]

87. Already done.

[HuckleB]

94. That's quite a fantasy you've created for yourself.

[CreekDog]

147. what's the causal link between the vaccine and autism?

sheesh.

[CreekDog]

146. not if lots of kids aren't vaccinated it doesn't

then your rates of disease climb.

smart guy. :eyes:

[HuckleB]

4. It's a perfectly good option.

What makes you think otherwise?

[msanthrope]

5. It's your kid who will have to live (or not) with your short-sightedness.

Get them vaccinated.

[Ian David]

7. No, it's not. It's OUR kids that have to live with his little Typhoid Mary. n/t

[zenj8]

9. Your kid will be vaccinated so why do you care if other people

choose not to vaccinate their kid? It's yet another Big Pharma push to unnecessarily vaccinate kids. Build up their immume systems and they DON'T need vaccines!!

[Ian David]

10. Because you are murdering infants and people who have real reasons they cannot be vaccinated.

People with compromised immune systems, for example.

I guess you WANT to murder children who have HIV or leukemia?

Sleep well with blood on your hands?

If you don't want to vaccinate your children, move to Somalia where nobody is vaccinated.

[Milo_Bloom]

12. Thanks for your medical opinion...

I will trust my pediatrician on this one.

[HuckleB]

21. Are you saying your pediatrician doesn't practice science based medicine?

[Milo_Bloom]

23. Nope.

I'm saying your opinion means a little less than 0 to me.

[HuckleB]

28. Apparently science means less than 0 to you as well.

[Milo_Bloom]

32. I trust my pediatrician on science a lot more than someone...

who couldn't even read the OP.

[HuckleB]

38. "Couldn't even read the OP."

Perhaps you should read the OP.

Goodness.

[Milo_Bloom]

40. Don't get upset b/c you misread the post.

[HuckleB]

44. What did I misread?

This should be good.

[Milo_Bloom]

49. You thought I was anti-vax.

And thought it had something to do autism.

[HuckleB]

51. When did I say you were anti-vaccination?

I asked you to clarify, and you delayed and delayed and delayed.

You're still delaying.

And this is just another red herring. You haven't answered my question.

[Milo_Bloom]

54. What supposed question are you asking?

[HuckleB]

57. What did I misread?

You were going off about the OP, and claimed I misread something.

What did I misread?

:rofl:

[Milo_Bloom]

64. LMAO.

You don't even know the context of your OWN posts?

Wow... just WOW.

[HuckleB]

66. And another pointless delay tactic.

[Milo_Bloom]

67. Delay of what???

LMAO!

TY.. I haven't laugh this hard at someone in weeks.

[HuckleB]

71. You've done nothing but delay, for the most part.

Apparently, you consider pointless, vague nonsense posts to be valid discussion.

I consider it be dishonest game playing.

You still haven't supported any of your claims, btw.

[Milo_Bloom]

73. Riiiight.

Yeah, I bet if you keep saying it, you will believe it someday as well.

[HuckleB]

75. I don't have to say it.

You keep doing it.

[Pavulon]

58. I hope they have good malpractice insurance. Telling patients not to vaccinate

is an excellent way to loose your practice and be sued for all you have and all you are ever going to have.

Wife is a doctor and there is no way a practicing physician would ever give this advice to a patient without some explicit medical reason the MMR could not be taken.

But if you kid gets measles and is rendered brain damaged you can sue..

[HuckleB]

62. Well, there is Jay Gordon.

Something tells me that he has his patients sign legal documents before he treats them, to keep himself protected.

[Pavulon]

84. Pretty sure the when the enevetable happens and a patient is exposed to a migrant

from somewhere there is no state run vaccination that paper will do him no good. I don't understand how he can practice and retain a license. In NC DSS will take your kids if you do not vaccinate.

[Milo_Bloom]

108. Nope, never had to sign anything.

[HuckleB]

110. Considering your behavior on this thread, I'll take that with a large grain of salt.

[Milo_Bloom]

116. Just giving you the respect you deserve.

[HuckleB]

122. And another ad hominem response.

[Ian David]

6. The guy who said that was necessary has admitted to it being a hoax.

There is now 100% proof that the MMR vaccine was never dangerous.

You've been lied to.

[Milo_Bloom]

13. The CDC says otherwise.

[HuckleB]

15. Are you claiming that the CDC says MMR causes Autism?

Really?

[Milo_Bloom]

24. Nope... never said that..

[HuckleB]

26. So tell us what you are saying.

[Milo_Bloom]

30. There is no reason for the shot at 12 months.

The risk is serious side effects from the illnesses is LESS than the risk of serious side effects from the shots.

It was better to spread the vaccinations out into seperate shots given over time, which reduce the risk of the side effects, since a bad reaction to one part of the vax, won't be complicated by other parts of the vax.

If they seperated it out, instead of trying to maximize profits by combining them, we probably would have gotten the mumps vax at age 2, but since they insist on this method, we are waiting until he is 4.

[HuckleB]

35. That's the assertion you've made.

Your assertion is not true, however.

http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/pdf/MMRPolicyBriefing.pdf

Oh, and you do understand that your last sentence is completely illogical, btw.

[Milo_Bloom]

37. Feel free to have your argument with my pediatrician.

[HuckleB]

41. I'd be happy to do that.

I work with nine of them who would back me up.

[Milo_Bloom]

43. Oh, that's right... the majority is always right.

I forgot that important reasoning.

[HuckleB]

45. Not always.

But we're talking science here. Do you understand the basis of science? You know evidence via research, repeated studies, etc...?

What is your pediatrician's title, btw?

[Milo_Bloom]

46. Dr.

[HuckleB]

48. What are the letters that come after your pediatrician's name?

This is just getting more hilarious all the time.

[Milo_Bloom]

52. M.D. FAAP

[HuckleB]

55. And you claim that your MD says multiple vaccinations would be safer than the MMR?

What evidence has he/she offered to back up the claim, if that is the claim he/she made?

[Milo_Bloom]

59. Yes.

His recommendation was "slow and late". As few vaccines as possible in a single visit, spread out over time.

Certain vaccines are completely eliminated, such as the HepB, the chicken pox and a few others.

The only shot our 2 year old has received so far is the DtaP, which has a much lower instance of side effects than the MMR. However, we are not doing the 4th and 5th booster.

[HuckleB]

74. Your MD is a quack.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=4960

[Milo_Bloom]

88. Says the person who failed to read properly.

Keep up the raging at your own mistake.

It is REALLY convincing me you know what you are talking about.

LMAO.

[HuckleB]

93. I made no mistake.

[Milo_Bloom]

95. Suuuure you didn't.

LMAO.

Watching you twist yourself into a pretzel has certainly been fun.

[HuckleB]

97. And another vague ad hominem attack.

That appears to be all you can offer.

[Milo_Bloom]

100. Against someone who failed to read the OP.

Yes, that is all the respect you deserve.

[HuckleB]

102. Show me why you think I didn't read the OP.

I've asked you to back up this claim several times. You refuse to do so.

[Milo_Bloom]

107. "Are you claiming that the CDC says MMR causes Autism?"

Your post. Your words.

[HuckleB]

109. My question.

It was a question. It's not a misreading.

WOW!

[Milo_Bloom]

112. Riiiiiiight.

Just asking questions... LMAO.

[HuckleB]

115. You've never seen a question mark before?

Interesting.

[Milo_Bloom]

117. Hmm, now who else "just asks questions?"

[HuckleB]

127. In other words, you want to be able to make juvenile assumptions.

You don't want to have to actually discuss anything.

Got it.

[Ian David]

140. But sometimes that batshit-crazy fringe is REALLY wrong and DANGEROUS. n/t

[Pavulon]

60. Post their name and state. Bet they will not be practicing medicine

in a weeks time. Unless your kid has condition that explicitly prevents them being vaccinated they are breaking guidelines.

[Milo_Bloom]

63. Dr. Jay Gordon, Los Angeles California.

[HuckleB]

68. And you claim that you're not anti-vaccination?

:rofl:

[Milo_Bloom]

70. No, not at all.

Since our kid has received vaccines.

[HuckleB]

76. You claim you've given your kid one vaccine.

Meanwhile, you are exposing him and others to a plethora of severe illnesses.

You are anti-vaccine. If you weren't, you would avoid a quack like Gordon like the plague.

[Milo_Bloom]

78. He will get some of them... not others.

The illnesses he is being "exposed to" are not particularly serious or in other cases, likely to contract.

And I trust Dr. Jay over some internet nutjob who couldn't even read a post properly.

[HuckleB]

80. Gordon is an Internet nutjob.

Your ad hominem BS against me does not serve your lame argument, btw.

[Milo_Bloom]

86. So says the internet nut job who failed to read the OP.

Nice job convincing me.

Let's hope your ignorance doesn't spread.

[HuckleB]

96. I read the OP.

I posted it.

Now what about the OP do you think I didn't read?

And way to continue with the baseless ad hominem attacks.

[Milo_Bloom]

101. LMAO!!!!

And now you can't distinguish between your own post and my OP!

LMAO!!!

Oh my god.. you are precious.

[HuckleB]

106. You don't know what an OP is.

And no one misread your post. You've made that very clear.

So has your doctor: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-gordon/autism-and-toxins_b_215461.html

[Milo_Bloom]

111. LMAO!

And you misread Dr. Gordon's article.

I guess you weren't vacinated agaisnt poor reading skills, were you?

[HuckleB]

113. ROTFLMAO!

What did I misread?

:rofl:

[Milo_Bloom]

121. My OP.

[HuckleB]

You didn't post the OP.

And I didn't misread your post. I asked for clarification.

You can continue to offer up red herrings and and ad hominem delays all you want, but you're not changing the reality.

[Milo_Bloom]

126. And you love making it up as you go long.

It's fun watching you try and save face.

But, Alas, you have proven too useless to even play with anymore.

Have fun.

[HuckleB]

What have I made up?

You have yet to back up a single part of any of your claims.

[Milo_Bloom]

131. Sorry sweetie...

But your lack of compression skils is just becomming a little too sad.


Adding you to ignore with the rest of the know-nothings.

[HuckleB]

132. Awwwwwwww.

The poster who can't back up the claims he makes is running away.

I'm shocked.

[anigbrowl]

135. "But your lack of compression skils is just becomming a little too sad."

:spray:

OP means original post, as in the post beginning the thread. Your post #1 is the first reply to the OP. Your understanding of the material on the CDC website appears similarly flawed.

[Pavulon]

82. Exposing others.. See not just about your kid

you can pass on serious illness without actually showing symptoms. But hey someone else's sick kid is not your problem.

Funny thing is many school systems are not letting kids enroll without proof of vaccinations and kids belonging to people who dont vaccinate are still getting autism.

[Milo_Bloom]

90. Again, it isn't about autism...

AND he will be vaccinated against the illnesses that make sense prior to enrolling in public school.

[Pavulon]

92. "make sense" to whom?

guess the law in your state in different. Here you could be compelled under court order to vaccinate you kid or loose custody. My problem is the mixture of voodoo and kids. For an adult if you want to do stupid things it's fair. Want to try to cure your cancer with prayer and dog shit oil, knock yourself out. Its not science, its faith. No difference in this and the Jehovah's witness who refuses transfusion.

My problem is when it comes to kids, because they dont get to choose to be subjected to "medicine" not taught at the best institutions anywhere. I repeat there is no one teaching this at Duke, Hopkins, St Georges, or Kings (last 2 where medicine has been taught before Columbus sailed here). You are own you own.

[Milo_Bloom]

99. No such law in the US.

Maybe you are from another country.

[Pavulon]

114. Sure are. Wife works in the ER and has initiated emergency

custody process for Jehovah's Witness who refused transfusion for child after trauma, more than once. CPS can and will become involved if they are called.

The saying "I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it" is not literal. You cant kill your kid by refusing care.

Care to address any other points on forcing voodoo on children?

[Milo_Bloom]

119. There are no LAWS in the US COMPELLING vaccinations.

Are you the same person as the other poster using a different handle? Your reading skills seem similar.

[Pavulon]

128. DSS / CPS practice and Jacobson v. Massachusetts

are the basis for requiring vaccine. Now you can lie and say you have religious reasons not to and freeload on the system.

But that supreme court case allows forced vaccination.

Dont accuse me of being a sock puppet its rude.

[HuckleB]

120. California, Oregon and others allow parents to escape responsibility.

However, the parents can still be held liable.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=6599

[Milo_Bloom]

123. LMAO. Nope.

[HuckleB]

125. And now you respond without reading the link.

Whoops.

[Milo_Bloom]

129. The link is about a FICTION.

A FICTICIOUS lawsuit, based upon a FICTICIOUS cause of action.

Like much of your position here.. a complete FICTION, in your case based on misread and misunderstand of what is being said.

[HuckleB]

130. Prove it.

Can you prove any of your claims?

[Ian David]

141. There are more constructive ways to "stick it to The Man" that don't involve murdering people.

Maybe you should look into those.

Or move to Somalia.

[Pavulon]

77. The guy who writes antivac crap.. Nice..

like I said hope he has a HUGE malpractice policy. When your little kid gets exposed from someone from Guatemala you have a wonderful case to recover damages.

Does this guy actually do exams and have a patient base?

Jenny McCarthy tour speech giver. Sure would be interesting to hear him speak in front of real physicians.

[HuckleB]

83. He's pretty fun on Penn & Teller's show.

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=ED2FU88B

Gotta give him credit.

[Milo_Bloom]

85. Yes, quite a large patient base.

It is nearly impossible to get into his office. He only accepts patients if he meets with BEFORE a child is born and interviews the parents. A few of our friends tried to get in, but were told he was not accepting new patients. We had some connections and managed to get a spot.

He actually speaks at medical conventions quite often.

[Pavulon]

89. Walter Freeman was quite popular too..

however in hindsight the ice pick lobotomy seems to be a bad treatment. Just be aware the BEST institutions teaching western medicine DO NOT agree with his positions.

But if it makes you FEEL better that is ok. Because feelings and science are not the same.

I would hope they took the time to fully explain the risk they are creating for you and others by messing with immunization.

Since you seem to be in over there, next time you speak to someone (him) ask about Polio or Smallpox and what happened to those diseases.

[Milo_Bloom]

91. No one there is ANTI-vax.

They are for a schedule that makes sense and making the vaccines themselves SAFER.

[Pavulon]

98. He is on the record. He backs wakefield after he was rebuked by the lancet

and his peers. But hey its only life, nothing really serious involve. Wakefield changed vaccination rates with his bullshit and led to increased illness. Generally things discouraged by the medical community.

I assume you have read this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-gordon/emthe-lancetem-retracted_b_447341.html

[HuckleB]

103. +1

[Milo_Bloom]

105. Yes, read it.

Did you?

Did you realize he always said that study proved nothing other than calling for BETTER research??

[Pavulon]

118. It was defunct. A LIE.

anything from it is fruit of a poisoned tree..

The better research has not linked vaccination to any disease.

Hey ever hear of polio?

[Milo_Bloom]

124. Gordon agrees.. and ALWAYS said so.

It would be nice if you did some research first.

[Pavulon]

133. His words..

I am on record recognizing the importance of Dr. Wakefield's research for calling attention to a potential connection between the vaccines and autism. I strongly support looking at this possible etiology alongside other possible environmental influences on genetic predisposition to Autism Spectrum Disorders.

I have done plenty. Listened to doctors from 3 countries discuss this when it was a popular movement. It funny when an American, Frenchman, and Englishmen all agree on the base stupidity of a position.

But hey some people think they should hack of parts of the female anatomy of children too.

[HuckleB]

134. +1

[anigbrowl]

136. Gordon believes in the idea of a negative proof

From that same article: "There are no easy answers to this and there continues to be no sufficient proof that a connection does not exist between the MMR and autism."

What he's saying here is a logical fallacy, mixing an argument from ignorance (more fully explained at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance) with an implicit assumption that prior evidence to the contrary exists.

Suppose I have a theory that A is caused by B. To validate it, I need some positive proof. If I can find that A commonly exists only in situations where B existed first, I am well on the way. This is evidence of correlation (A is related to B), not causation; but since you cannot have causation without correlation, it's a good argument for continuing research. If I do not find evidence of correlation between A and B, then I have to either abandon my hypothesis or else expand it (A is caused by B, but only if C is also present), for which I need more evidence.

Now Dr. Gordon, on the other hand, is saying that even though we have no evidence that A is correlated with B, that doesn't prove no relationship exists. But the problem is that you could do 100 studies and find no evidence, and Gordon could still claim that we don't have proof there is no connection, because it is always opssible to dream up new experiments that haven't been performed yet.

The question you should be asking what Gordon DOES have evidence for. He can claim all day that there's no proof that MMR is not dangerous, and I can just as easily say that there's no proof he is not a quack.

[Lightning Count]

104. And maximizes the # of dr's visits.

It's actually a pretty good scam. I would recommend 1/4 of each of the 3 vaccines every 3 months for 3 years.

[Ian David]

142. Glenn Beck had 87,000 thousand batshit-crazy fucktards at his rally.

Dr. Gordon has you and a bunch of child-murderers.

Big fucking deal.

[CreekDog]

149. he has lots of patients! that makes him RIGHT!!!

:eyes:

[CreekDog]

148. so you trust your doctor for some reason, you just don't trust medicine

and your child is the guinea pig.

[Ian David]

139. You're not allowed to just make shit up to justify mass-murder if it suits you. n/t

[Ian David]

143. If you don't love your children, just drown them before they murder ours.

I have nothing but contempt for you.

I am putting you on ignore because I can't put you and your infectious brood on an island of unvaccinated misfits where they belong.

I have no use for you, and neither, really, should society at large.

You are a dangerous menace.

Bye.

[xchrom]

2. Recommend

[boppers]

137. Wow, there's a lot of "Ignored" in this thread.

Bummer that we're only at 90%, but at least there's a self correcting mechanism for this, ensuring that over many generations, the sociopathic anti-science folks will be culled from the herd as a result of their own ignorance.

[trotsky]

138. Well, sadly, they themselves will still be here.

Their kids might not. As well as lots of totally innocent kids who can't get vaccinated for legitimate reasons. Or the few for whom the vaccine didn't "take." No vaccine is perfect.

These selfish uninformed fucks are hurting everyone else but themselves.

[Ian David]

145. They're not uninformed. They have the same information we do. They choose to ignore it.

That makes them worse than ignorant.

[alcibiades_mystery]

144. Imbeciles don't want to vaccinate their kids

Which would be fair enough, as we'd thin that particular segment of stupidity from the general pool, but unfortunately they infect others and allow harmful viruses to mutate by providing their kids' bodies as spawning grounds. So, of course, their personal stupidity ends up being a general threat to the rest of us.