Josh Marshall: Bush using CIA to fight Clarke

[Teaser]

Josh is aghast:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_03_28.php#002779

Declassifying the transcripts is not compatible with national security. But taking the transcripts, cutting the individual words into scraps and pasting them back together into incriminating sentences might be okay.

How far different is this ...

U.S. officials told NBC News that the full record of Clarke’s testimony two years ago would not be declassified. They said that at the request of the White House, however, the CIA was going through the transcript to see what could be declassified, with an eye toward pointing out contradictions.

That's the last graf from a late story from NBC.

You know something's wrong -- when an
administration is truly out of control -- when they discuss their dirty tricks on background.

Look at what this is: using the CIA and the classification process for an explicitly and exclusively partisan purpose, at the direct behest of the White House. Call me old-fashioned but back in the good-old-days this used to be done with a bit more indirection, subterfuge and cover, no?

Everybody, contact your representatives. The New York Times, Dana Milbank...this is Nixon level stuff.

Mods, I apologize that this isn't a news story in the classic sense. It is, however, something that Josh Marshall caught in an MSNBC piece that *should* have been the headline of that piece, as it is so scandalous and so outrageous. So I'm posting it as a news story.

I'll understand if you disagree and move it, but I think a case can be made for it as news.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

1. IMHO, Clarke and the CIA are on the same side in this war...

...the CIA has just as much cause to derail the NeoCons as Clarke does.

[Fridays Child]

3. I fear that at least some in the CIA remain loyal to the bushistas...

...no matter what. And you can be sure that they are the ones tasked with this little job.

[Just Me]

7. Hell yea!!! They made the money!!! *eom*

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. It has definitely become an "uncivil" war...people are choosing up sides..

..even as we post to this board.

[demgrrrll]

10. I agree. Do you have this figured out yet? Seems like a real melee

at this point. Who comes out on top will determine the future of this country.

[0007]

12. I have the same feeling - but it's just a feeling.

Clarke is too sharp for these suckers, just to be standing alone.

[joeunderdog]

23. More and more legs.

Their approach has already drawn criticism by their own party for perpetuating the story rather than burying it. Let the hissy fit continue--it'll give Clarke a bigger forum to fire back. It already has.

[rucky]

33. Sorry but the Bushies wouldn't be doing this...

if that were the case. What's Tenet done other than shill for the administration?

The CIA has much to gain from an empire-minded adminstration of control freaks who like to fix elections & topple governments. I really don't know how DU got the idea that they're on our side. Even the turncoats are Republicans, so what does that tell you about the "loyal" ones?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

37. Excuse me, but you need to check the record for the number of times...

...that Tenet advised the NeoCons not to say or do anything connected to Iraq and WMDs. You need to also understand the number of times Tenet advised the NeoCons that Iraq was not a threat.

You also need to understand that the former CIA officers that spoke out publicly in support of Valerie Plame had to get permission from Tenet to do so.

And ever since Plame and her network was exposed there have been near-daily leaks in the mainstream press about Junior and the rest of the NeoCons. To understand why the mainstream press is printing leaked sories, read the following link:

Operation Mockingbird
<http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html>

Excerpt:

"Starting in the early days of the Cold War (late 40's), the CIA began a secret project called Operation Mockingbird, with the intent of buying influence behind the scenes at major media outlets and putting reporters on the CIA payroll, which has proven to be a stunning ongoing success. The CIA effort to recruit American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda, was headed up by Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, and Philip Graham (publisher of The Washington Post). Wisner had taken Graham under his wing to direct the program code-named Operation Mockingbird and both have presumably committed suicide.

Media assets will eventually include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International (UPI), Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service, etc. and 400 journalists, who have secretly carried out assignments according to documents on file at CIA headquarters, from intelligence-gathering to serving as go-betweens. The CIA had infiltrated the nation's businesses, media, and universities with tens of thousands of on-call operatives by the 1950's. CIA Director Dulles had staffed the CIA almost exclusively with Ivy League graduates, especially from Yale with figures like George Herbert Walker Bush from the "Skull and Crossbones" Society."

[rucky]

42. I read about Operation Mockingbird

and I think about how the "Media Lies Daily".

The Mighty Wurlitzer - not the occasional leaks of truth. The CIA is split. The Bush Admin is split. There's no doubt about that. The source of the leaks seem as controlled as the other 90% of the crap. If you attribute the 10% to the CIA/Mockingbird, who's responsable for the rest of it? I assume from your name that you probably have some more info.

But the "drip drip drip" theory doesn't add up to me. Especially after Ritter, Wilson, Kay, Beers, O'Neil, Clarke and other equally credible insiders have stepped forward, yet public opinion has not shifted one bit. The media may throw the truth-seekers a few bones but that is quickly countered with VICIOUS spin. Seems that they leak just enough to lull us into a false sense of hope. The truth is still a whisper - drowned out by the lies that grow more & more bold every day.

Meanwhile, the misinformed are still misinformed... or confused... or simply don't give a shit. Drip drip drip - that's the sound of "our side" of the government pissing on us in a slow & gentle sort of way.

[worldgonekrazy]

35. The neo-cons have made sure that derailing them is also to compromise

national security.

So the CIA would never do it.

For example, if it were to come out that the Bush Administration allowed 9/11 to happen, it stands to reason that some in the CIA had to be complicit as well, or in the very least they did not voice up to stop it or to get the truth out afterward.

[dennis4868]

2. Can you imagine....

Clinton saying that he was going to use the IRS and FBI to see if Monica Lewinsky was an honest person? The incredible thing is that Bush and his cronies do all of this out in the open because they know the media will probably not hold them accountable for anything. Its like a bank theif who has been told by the police that is okay to do whatever the hell you want, we aint going to arrest you. Well that is what it has come to with the so-called "liberal" media and Bush.

[Just Me]

4. LIHOP

Nixon is a sweet, progressive, terrestrial angel compared to this gang. Personally, I am glad he merely suffered what he did. With respect to this wicked lot, I hope they all suffer the ruin they duly deserve.

[Dhalgren]

5. Honestly, all this shit is scaring the crap out of me!

Bush and his gang just don't seem to care what they do or who knows it! I heard today that bush was up in the latest (Pugh?) poll. How is that possible? There are still people in this country who support this evil fuck - again, how is that possible? If this bunch of neo-nazis remain in power, we are done. Let us hope and work to oust these worthless bastards, but we need to get ready for what we will do if the fix is in. We can't go down easy!

[hang a left]

14. That is a god damn lie, he has been mortally wounded.

"heard today that bush was up in the latest (Pugh?) poll." More media lies and manipulation.

[Redleg]

6. And the f@cking media is mostly silent about this crap.

They will watch while Bushco f@cks Clarke in the a$$. I wonder if we will ever be able to get Dubya out of office.

[11cents]

8. MY HAIR IS ON FIRE

So this is what it's like.

[WillyT]

11. LOL, That's A Good One !!!

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[sandnsea]

16. We need hats,seriously

I know it sounds silly, but would that work?? Can we get somebody to make "hair on fire" hats and have everybody who hates Bush start to wear them? Then we could see each other and identify each other. Maybe visibly show that there really are more of US than them. We have to do something, we're getting pretty close to red alert here.

[htuttle]

34. Indeed...

[LONG-LINER]

9. Hell yes this belongs here... !

How insane .... I'm sure they also directed them to burn anything that showed how Clarke wasn't in line with the bush policy!

[Chomskyite]

13. If they'll do this . . .

. . . do you really think they'll allow a fair election this year?

[calimary]

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This is so incredibly, urgently, vitally important! And yes, I'm nagging. But we need to push this as though our lives were depending on it. Because they ARE.

[proud patriot]

17. Thanks for all the media contact links

:hi:

[Teaser]

19. Muy Comprehensive

Thanks.

We cannot let this stand.

[calimary]

45. Thanks to you both. By the way, thanks also to bigtree and Mari333

but ESPECIALLY bigtree, because they contributed this material. AND ANOTHER DUer, whoever you are, forgive me, because YOU are the one who originally posted the 9/11 Commission info which I cut and pasted, and I forgot who you were to give proper credit. All I did was just assemble it, add a couple of things, and put it out as one big cohesive post. Others here did the heavier lifting.

[aquart]

18. Done.

They're just annoying me now.

[Teaser]

20. Early morning autobump

bumpety bump.

[truthisfreedom]

21. let 'em do it... it's rope, ladies and gentlemen.

once they get enough of it...

[Hekate]

22. Kick

:kick:

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. Didn't Clarke mention

that there was possibly a rogue element in the Intel Community? Clarke knows exactly who and what he is going up against better than any of us. So far, he has played the game masterfully. I just hope that it's true that the darkest hour is just before dawn. Because with the media bending over backwards to protect ourlordbush, they will continue to create their own version of reality, where ourlordbush doesn't have to meet the same standards of behavior that the rest of us are supposed to follow.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

26. Read "Secret Team" by L. Fletcher Prouty...link enclosed...

...this is the link to "The Secret Team":

<http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/>

Prouty was the military version of Richard Clarke...he was also the technical director for Oliver Stone's movie "JFK", and part of a composite role played by Donald Sutherland in that movie.

This is pretty sobering stuff, but it may help explain what's going on in the world today.

[worldgonekrazy]

36. I believe there is a BFEE division of the CIA

Poppy was the Director before becoming VP, so he certainly had the time and the power to set such a thing up. My guess is they operate indepedent of the CIA, but with enough of a tie-in that the CIA cannot do anything to stop them without bringing themselves down too. Its the only way it makes sense.

[ElementaryPenguin]

44. That's long been my suspicion, too!

:puke:
:mad:

[Enraged_Ape]

27. Hold it, hasn't Bush fucked the CIA over bad, like, several times?

Trying to blame his oil war on their "intelligence failures"? Revealing a crucial secret agent in the war on terror? Trying to make Tenet a fall guy for just about everything?

Then why in the hell would they do anything for him?

[justsam]

29. he,s still their

boss and when a person has their life time medical ins and pension up for grabs, they bend a lot, i believe that is one of the reasons that Clarke waited so long to come out even though it hasn't been said or brought up.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. The CIA also reported to JFK and Nixon...look what happened to them.

[rucky]

43. You're assuming that the CIA gives a crap about public opinion

they dont. they have no accountability. not even to the president.

[keithyboy]

28. Unprecedented behavior and facist...but sheeple don't seem to care

This is outrageous and few seem to care. this nation deserves four more years of Bush.

[skooooo]

30. And they'll probably get it... :-(

I'd like to remain optimistic, but until something really catastrophic happens that makes it obvious to the American people that Bush is a crook, I think they'll vote him in again.

[Cooley Hurd]

31. kick

:kick:

Great article - JMM rocks! :thumbsup:

[ElementaryPenguin]

32. Watergate cover-up tactics!!

Anyone paying fucking attention?? Today, there seems to be a half dozen Watergate-like acts per week - with hardly a notice from anyone but a handful of independent journalists!!

:puke:
:argh:

[tom_paine]

39. The Busheviks have seized the nation and are acting with

commensurate arrogance.

Philipinos, Haitians, Iranians, Chileans, Soviets and Nazis would all recognize this shameless flouting of lawlessness.

After all, there is no law if YOU are the law, especially if you're a corrupt shitpile like the Busheviks are.

[sadiesworld]

40. kick

:kick:

[nolabels]

41. Like put me in the surprised group or something

Somewhere in between the "they would never do this" and " This is outrageous, these are lying scurrilous charges"

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html

MOCKINGBIRD
The Subversion Of The Free Press By The CIA
"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month." - CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. "Katherine The Great," by Deborah Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991)
As terrible as it is to live in a nation where the press in known to be controlled by the government, at least one has the advantage of knowing the bias is present, and to adjust for it. In the United States of America, we are taught from birth that our press is free from such government meddling. This is an insideous lie about the very nature of the news institution in this country. One that allows the government to lie to us while denying the very fact of the lie itself.


The Alex Constantine Article

Tales from the Crypt

The Depraved Spies and Moguls

of the CIA's Operation MOCKINGBIRD

by Alex Constantine
(snip)
Conspiracies are obviously a way to get things done, and the Washington Post
offers little comment unless conspiracy theorizing threatens to expose a
really important conspiracy that, let's say, benefits big business or big
government.

Such a conspiracy would be like our benevolent CIA's 1953 overthrow of
the Iranian government to help out U.S. oil companies; or like our
illegal war against Panama to tighten U.S. control over Panama and the
Canal; or like monopoly control of broadcasting that facilitates
corporate censorship on issues of public importance (*62). When the
camouflage of such conspiracies is stripped away, public confidence in
the conspiring officials can erode -- depending on how seriously the
citizenry perceives the conspiracy to have violated the public trust.
Erosion of public trust in the status quo is what the Post seems to
see as a real threat to its corporate security.

Currently, the Post has mounted vituperative, frenzied attacks on
Oliver Stone's movie "JFK", which reexamines the U.S. Government's
official (Warren Commission. finding that a single gunman, acting
alone, killed President John F. Kennedy. The movie also is the story
of New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison's unsuccessful
prosecution of Clay Shaw, the only person ever tried in connection
with the assassination. And the movie proposes that the Kennedy
assassination was the work of conspirators whose interests would not
be served by a president who, had he lived, might have disengaged us
from our war against Vietnam.

The Post ridicules a reexamination of the Kennedy assassination along
lines suggested by "JFK". Senior Post journalists like Charles
Krauthammer, Ken Ringle, George Will, Phil McCombs, and Michael
Isikoff, have been called up to man the bulwarks against public
sentiment which has never supported the government's
non-conspiratorial assassination thesis. In spite of the facts that
the Senate Intelligence Committee of 1975 and 1976 found that "both
the FBI and CIA had repeatedly lied to the Warren Commission" (*63)
and that the 1979 Report of the House Select Committee on
Assassinations found that President Kennedy was probably killed "as a
result of a conspiracy" (*64), a truly astounding number of Post
stories have been used as vehicles to discredit "JFK" as just another
conspiracy (*65).
(snip)

[Disturbed]

46. CIA

The main purpose of the CIA is to protect Capitalism.
In doing so the CIA assists in toppling any Govt. that does
not engage in business with the USA on the terms that the USA
demands. Dictators are kept in power if they co-operate with USA
interests. Democtaticaly elected leaders are overthrown if
they do not.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

47. Has this ever been tried before? Will they do it?

It sounds so transparently Stalinist....a political show trial using selectively declassified evidence.

[robbedvoter]

48. House, Senate, WH staff have been used up to now - why not CIA?

The House had al all nighter bashing Clarke, Frist embarassed himself, all our government is harnessed in defending W 9and his reselection) the same way it was in unseating Clinton. It's what they do.

[Junkdrawer]

49. They're screwing him publicly for a reason:

It's a warning to all the other would-be Clarkes that "we'll go over your record with a fine tooth comb and punish you - even if it means punishing you for what we told you to do.