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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:17 PM
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Waivers Address Talk of Dropping Health Coverage
Source: NY Times

As Obama administration officials put into place the first major wave of changes under the health care legislation, they have tried to defuse stiffening resistance — from companies like McDonald’s and some insurers — by granting dozens of waivers to maintain even minimal coverage far below the new law’s standards.

The waivers have been issued in the last several weeks as part of a broader strategic effort to stave off threats by some health insurers to abandon markets, drop out of the business altogether or refuse to sell certain policies.

Among those that administration officials hoped to mollify with waivers were some big insurers, some smaller employers and McDonald’s, which went so far as to warn that the regulations could force it to strip workers of existing coverage.

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These early exemptions offer the first signs of how the administration may tackle an even more difficult hurdle: the resistance from insurers and others against proposed regulations that will determine how much insurers spend on consumers’ health care versus administrative overhead, a major cornerstone of the law.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/business/07insure.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=ig
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:20 PM
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1. waivers sound like repeal on the cheap lol nt
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:35 PM
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4. McDonald's employees pay over a thousand dollars a year
Edited on Wed Oct-06-10 10:36 PM by Frank Booth
for "insurance" plans that cap at $10,000. There was a waiver granted allowing this obvious scam to continue.

The only way this country's going to turn things around is if our government stops treating corporate profits as its foremost consideration.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 12:01 AM
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11. No corporate profits = no corporate income tax revenue.
That's how it works.
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:06 AM
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14. Sorry, but few corporations pay income tax. Many large ones actually get refunds.
That's how it works.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:33 PM
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19. US corps paid $300 billion in Federal income tax in 2008.
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 02:37 PM by Psephos
That figure doesn't include what they paid in state and local taxes. Nor does it include corporate payroll taxes (Social Security/FICA) on every paycheck. (Employers match what workers pay.)

Clearly, what you said is not the way it works.

These figures aren't hard to find, but one has to be interested in finding them first. You could start here. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/numbers/revenue.cfm

My view is that corporate tax rates are probably high enough, given the global economy and the fungibility of investment capital. Note that US rates are the second highest among the top 20 economies. Our legislative and taxation energies would be better spent on closing accounting loopholes, disincentiving political give-aways, and increasing enforcement of existing laws and codes. There are way too many corps that have figured out how to game the system, with the tacit assistance of our esteemed Congress. We have had D majorities in the House, in the Senate, and in the WH for the last two years (four if you only count Congress). We have met the enemy: he is us.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:12 AM
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15. No decent paycheck for US workers = No corporate profits ...
THAT'S how it works too ....

First comes labor ... Then comes profit .... You cannot profit without labor producing product first ....
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:34 PM
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20. That isn't right...
...worse yet, it isn't even wrong.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 10:36 PM
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22. Really ? ... So many emerged from the desert so long ago ...
With a pocket full of stocks and bonds ?

Interesting ....
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:22 PM
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2. Is there actually a provision in the law that allows the granting of waivers?
Or are they just saying fuck the law, we can do whatever the hell we want for political expediency purposes
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:08 PM
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8. Either it's the law, or it's not
The practice of granting waivers to some companies smacks of favoritism.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:23 PM
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3. Fuck, man, they're not even trying. They're not even pretending
What a sick joke.
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BillH76 Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 12:02 AM
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12. That's a law of logic, but watch Obama fudge it. (n/t)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:36 PM
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5. I can't read the article because I don't subscribe......
And one of the things I never do is comment based on three paragraphs,
especially during election season,
and especially from corporate media sources.

Of course, others tend to usually believe the very worse specifically of this President,
whether they have read an article or just the headlines.....
which is why the Media is so fucked up, and why during at least the
last 30 days of election season, spreading what could be a contrived smear,
is not constructive, IMO.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:49 PM
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7. I don't subscribe and the link worked fine for me
In addition, I googled 'health care waiver', clicked on news, and found a few dozen results promptly. I mean, if you really want to know, more info is not hard to find..

:shrug:
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:39 PM
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6. Somebody please explain...
Why do we even "need" a health-insurance industry anyway?
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:26 PM
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9. We don't, only the stockholders and the executives do.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:57 PM
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10. here comes the thin end of that wedge - starting to be hammered in early

let me get this straight? first, McDonalds creates food that any reasonable nutritionist would say is not healthy whatsoever, then they run and pull a fast one on subverting paying for health care for their own employees?

nice



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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 07:38 AM
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17. Interesting sidebar here on McDonald's food......
Went to my daughter's open house at her high school the other night. Her Integrated Sciences teacher had a small aquarium and inside that aquarium was a McDonald's burger with cheese. That patty had been in that aquarium since school started in mid-August and it hasn't molded or changed in any way.


scary.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-10 09:34 AM
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23. very illuminating for the kids I hope

things like that hopefully make a difference when kids have choices to make on food

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 12:33 AM
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13. A public option would have been the answer for all of these problems.
An employer like McDonalds that offers what passes as food for low prices and therefore pays low wages simply cannot afford decent health insurance for its employees. McDonalds needs subsidies to be able to provide health insurance to its employees. What a mess. A huge employer like McDonalds is unable to provide health care for its employees. We are really in bad shape.

The only solution, we will soon realize, is a public option that is subsidized from public tax money -- and a concomitant hike in the taxes on the wealthy. The huge increase in the wealth of the very rich is simply the result of the fact that they grab more than they are due. They have the best health care available, but McDonalds' employees can't afford any health care. That makes no sense for anyone.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 07:19 AM
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16. they ran on HC reform then brokered deals w industry insiders.
:(
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 10:07 AM
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18. Yes, we needed at least a public option. Instead, we didn't get jack sh#t.

Each day, 273 people die due to lack of health care in the U.S.; that's 100,000 deaths per year.

We need single-payer health care, not a welfare bailout for the serial-killer insurance agencies.

We don't need the GingrichCare of mandated, unregulated, for-profit insurance that is still too expensive, only pays parts of medical bills, denies claims, bankrupts and kills people. Republinazi '93 plan:
"Subtitle F: Universal Coverage - Requires each citizen or lawful permanent resident to be covered under a qualified health plan or equivalent health care program by January 1, 2005."


"We will never have real reform until people's health stops being treated as a financial opportunity for corporations."


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:41 PM
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21. The waivers are specific
These one-year waivers are being given to mini-health plans, including those offered by restaurants and teachers unions, to give them time to comply with the law.

Think Progress

Bloomberg is reporting that “almost a million workers, one-third of them members of New York’s teachers union, were left out of a consumer protection in U.S. health law meant to cap insurance costs after the government exempted their employers.” “Thirty companies and organizations, including Jack in the Box Inc. and the United Federation of Teachers, won’t be required to raise the minimum annual benefit included in low-cost health plans covering seasonal, part-time or low-wage employees.”

The waivers are intended to prevent employers that offer so-called mini-med plans — subprime insurance that restricts the number of covered doctor visits or imposes a relatively low maximum on insurance payouts — from dropping coverage, but there is also very real concern that this approach would deprive too many workers of the law’s protections:

<...>

To be sure, HHS is in a rather tough spot. If companies respond to the new regulations by dropping insurance coverage, low-wage employees will have to either go uninsured until 2014 (when the exchanges kick in) or try to enroll in Medicaid or the new high-risk insurance pools, for which they may be ineligible and may have some trouble affording. As Aaron Carroll of the Incidental Economist explains it, Democrats are facing the three-legged-stool problem. You can’t give people access to affordable coverage without regulating the insurers, getting everyone into the risk pool through the mandate and providing subsidies for those who need them, but the law implements the regulation leg four years before the subsidy and mandate legs are even attached. And so what you’re seeing now is a stool that just can’t find its balance.

<...>


Basically, the HHS is writing the regulations ahead of the plan's full implementation, and giving waivers to allow time for compliance.

To call that "insurance" is to distort the definition, since these policies would do very little to help people with even moderately serious medical conditions. (You can blow through $10,000 in medical care with one emergency room visit.) And those are the people whom insurance is supposed to help, since they are the ones who face serious financial hardship or have serious trouble getting access to care. As Aaron Caroll, who now blogs at the Incidental Economist, wrote several months ago when the issue first came up, "There are a host of health insurance plans out there that are cheap. It’s just that the majority of those also are crappy. Sure, they’re great if you’re healthy. They only stink when you get sick; but that’s when you need them." (Actually, they're not even so great if you're healthy--but that's a story for another time.)

In the long run, McDonald's employees need policies that protect them in case of serious medical problems. And they need policies they can afford. They'll get those policies thanks to the Affordable Care Act--but not until 2014, because the administration and Congress couldn't come up with enough money to implement the full scheme sooner.

For now, some fast-food workers can take advantage of the law's early benefits, like the temporary insurance plans for people with pre-existing conditions that the administration and the states have been starting. But for the most part these people will have to wait.

They may get to keep their McDonald's brand insurance. But they still won't have insurance.

more


If Horrible Insurance Is Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have Horrible Insurance

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