Report: Bush Thought Military Shot Down PA Plane On 9/11

[kpete]

Source: FOX

BUSH THOUGHT PA PLANE SHOT DOWN ON 9/11

Report: Bush Thought Military Shot Down PA Plane On 9/11

Updated: Thursday, 28 Oct 2010, 1:05 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 28 Oct 2010, 12:36 PM EDT

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One of the details released in the report is that President Bush gave the order to shoot down planes on September 11 -- and at first thought the plane that went into a rural field in Shanksville, Penn. had been shot down. The 9/11 chapter is titled "Day of Fire."

Decision Points is set for a November 9 release but the Drudge Report apparently was leaked a copy.

It reports that the book starts with a chapter on President Bush's decision to quit drinking.

Read more: http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/politics/report-bush-thought-military-shot-down-pa-plane-on-9-11-20101028-lgf

[arcane1]

1. I thought the same thing

and still do.

[Roland99]

3. If it was shot down, there wouldn't have been an impact crater.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/photos/pacrater2.html

[Aramchek]

6. what if the shot just blew off one of the wings?? there would still be a crater.

only if the plane was completely destroyed in the air would there be no sign of impact.

[Roland99]

25. COMMON SENSE! Two words: Debris field

any parts found anywhere more than a few hundred feet from the impact crater?

[JackRiddler]

29. Sure - in the trees beyond the field, an area closed off early on.

[goforit]

55. Maybe the plane was not a plane and just a remote control missle

[pitohui]

8. that's a completely idiotic claim contrary to physics, you know

it doesn't matter whether the plane was shot down or not, there's an impact crater either way, it's got to hit the ground sometime you know

jeez, high school physics should have taught the average person that much, even if they were completely lacking in simple common sense

an impact crater is caused by impact, regardless of the cause of the impact

be that as it may, any book that starts w. a claim that a slurring, sleepy, stumbling drunk is not drinking is itself an insult to my intelligence and i for one WON'T be purchasing it

[tinrobot]

23. It's the difference between falling and a powered crash

it doesn't matter whether the plane was shot down or not, there's an impact crater either way, it's got to hit the ground sometime you know

There is a big difference, and that difference is the velocity of impact.

If the plane exploded in midair, the bits would would simply fall to the ground. As such, each part of the plane would only reach terminal velocity (50-70m/s) You would not see much of a crater, and the pieces would also be more intact because of the reduced impact speed. This happened in the Lockerbie incident:



A plane still under power would go up to 4 times faster than terminal velocity (500mph or 225m/s), creating 16 times the momentum on impact, a much bigger crater, and much smaller pieces of debris. Couldn't find too many pictures of the Pennsylvania crash, but here's one with the crater circled. A crater is indicative of a high crash speed and an intact (i.e. unexploded) airplane.

[ProudDad]

41. "shooting down" doesn't required mid-air disintegration

:eyes:

[14thColony]

43. There are very few air-to-air missiles in the world

that could cause an aircraft that large to explode in midair upon being hit, and the US operates exactly zero of them. Our largest AAM is the AIM-120, which carries a 50lb blast/frag warhead. A hit from one or two would probably be fatal, but unless very lucky would be unlikely to cause the disintegration of the fuselage in flight. Compare to the KAL 007 747 which was hit by two much larger Soviet-era R-8 AAMs, but yet was still completely intact when it hit the sea. Had it hit land it would have presumably made a 747-sized crater.

[tinrobot]

44. I didn't say it would be in small pieces.

In fact, it would be in larger pieces (like in the Lockerbie crash photo) because of the slower impact speed. If it hits the ground with less force, the less things break apart.

Crashing at high speed imparts more force, which causes things to break apart more. This creates smaller pieces and a larger effect on the impact site, such as a crater.

Had it hit land it would have presumably made a 747-sized crater.

No. Please recall that an aircraft body is simply a thin skin of aluminum. It's very light and the enclosed volume is mostly air. There is not enough mass to create an impact crater the size of the aircraft. The crater would 'presumably' be smaller.

[14thColony]

52. Granted.

I agree with all you say, and what I intended was more along the lines of "would have presumably made a crater consistent with an impact by an intact 747." Of course the crater wouldn't be the same dimensions as a 747.

The point I was trying to make was that, Hollywood portrayals aside, air-to-air missiles rarely cause catastrophic failure of the airframe of such a large aircraft. They kill by slicing through control cables or hydraulics lines, or by destroying engines. In all the cases I can think of off the top of my head of large aircraft being hit by typical AAM-sized missiles, I can't think of one where the aircraft crashed in anything other than an intact condition. Sure, a few pieces and parts blow off perhaps, but generally intact and recognizeable as that specific type of aircraft (at least up until impact).

[notadmblnd]

9. why wouldn't there have been?

if they hit a wing or engine, why wouldn't there have been an impact crater?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

57. -

[SugarShack]

53. A crater with NO debries!! Me think it was shot down over the ocean, and a missle was used

with the propaganda story of "LETS ROOOOLLLLL"

[CRH]

60. It is the only thing that makes sense,

An aviation first, Flight 93 and Flight 77, the first two planes in aviation history to crash over land and completely disintegrate leaving no identifiable airplane parts. The magic of bullshit defying logic.

[defendandprotect]

56. The "impact crater" had been there for years .... see satellite info....

[xor]

42. What's the motivation of saying they didn't shoot it down if they did?

I have no idea what happened and never looked into it enough to form any relevant opinion. I do wonder what the gain would be though. I would think that if they did shoot it down, then it would show that they were not nearly as incompetent that day. Also wouldn't them shooting it down go against the LIHOP/MIHOP(there's an I in there, right? for 'it'?)... What's the general consensus in the "conspiracy" group as to why they would lie and how does it fit into the rest?

[daleo]

47. No government would want to admit killing its own civilians

Plus, the "let's roll" story was a morale booster.

[mitchum]

63. That is the answer (sometimes the government does not want the citizens to see their tax $$ at work)

[dflprincess]

48. The story of heroic passengers bringing the plane down plays better as propaganda

As horrible as it is, there is no excuse for the military not bringing that plane down. It had to be done.

But Americans prefer fairy tails to facts.

[mitchum]

62. The narrative of "Americans willingly sacrificing their lives in the neverending...

battle against the Moooslim terrorists!"
And so it began.

[CoffeeCat]

2. Wow, the book starts with a chapter

about Bush's decision to quit drinking.

If he nearly wrecked the entire world when he was sober, can you imagine the untold
damage that would have occurred had he been drunk?

:scared:

[Amonester]

50. It's just another lie.

AWOL never quit drinking:





Lies, lies, lies, lies... his name should have been george Lies bush.

[SugarShack]

54. Quit drinking? What about him falling 2 ft. onto the carpet choking on pretzel and the face gash???

[Roland99]

4. This is surely a lie. Bush isn't capable of thought.

[alsame]

5. Rumsfeld said the same thing in 2004 - later it was spun that he

'misspoke'.

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-12-27/us/rumsfeld.flt93_1_plane-defense-secretary-donald-rumsfeld-conspiracy-theories?_s=PM:US

[NYC Liberal]

7. Is there a chapter about his decision to start again?

"It reports that the book starts with a chapter on President Bush's decision to quit drinking."

[arcane1]

12. Indeed, I have a hard time believing this is a sober person:

[grasswire]

13. teh stupid! it burns!

Gawd what a jackass.

[NYC Liberal]

17. Or these:

[Blasphemer]

31. The look on Barbara's face in picture 3 says it all.... nt

[No Elephants]

64. The look on Barbara's face in Reply 50 says even more.

[PfcHammer]

10. Don't get fooled again.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

11. I have always suspected it was shot down. nt

[pjt7]

14. It was shot down

& the three towers were of course exploded from within.

This linked Scientist examined the WTC dust & found nano-thermite, just like 9 other researchers who have already succesfully published a peer reviewed paper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZNQq7XBLwc

Hello Main Stream Media, we are ready for a wikileaks 911.

[smiley]

15. +1

.. but you won't make many friends around here claiming things like that.

IBTD

[pjt7]

18. It's well past the time to bring the facts on the table

.

[Jazzgirl]

26. Someone extremely close to me....very close....

knows the person that had to give the order for the shoot down. He was sick that he had to do it too.

[Blasphemer]

33. I've never understood why they felt the need to lie about it

It was the sensible thing to do under the circumstances.

[arcane1]

34. The hero story was better PR

Just like Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman.

[The Croquist]

37. I don't think they lied.

They didn't shoot it down.

I agree 100% that the vast majority of the country would have supported the action of shooting it down. Some would claim that they panicked and the families would have been hysterical but shooting it down would have been the sensible thing to do.

On the other hand if it had been proved that they lied about shooting it down it would have been a nightmare for the administration and destroyed any credibility they had and I mean credibility with the average American not the average DUer.

[zipplewrath]

19. "of course?"

thermite doesn't explode. The tower structure was surely compromised "from within". Planes and fuel will do that don't ya know.

[pjt7]

21. Planes & Fuels

argument goes poof when you look at how World Trade Building Seven came down on 911

Wikileaks 911 where are you?

[zipplewrath]

28. Fire and fuel

WTC 7 came down because they didn't fight the fire for the better part of 6 hours. The steel in that building (and the fire protection thereon) wasn't certified for much more than that. And that doesn't even discuss the "unusual" construction of WTC 7 and the internal structure to accomplish that. Of course, storing all that fuel in the building was just asking for this out come as well.

[smiley]

35. thanks for the laugh

I will always find it amazing that only 3 steel framed buildings in the world have ever been demolished because of fire. WTC 1 & 2 & 7. None before, none since.

[zipplewrath]

36. That's because we usually fight them

They should last along time if fire fighting is allowed. When you don't fight them, they fall. Generally we fight the fires, if for no other reason than to prevent collapse or spreading to other neighboring structures. Truth is, if the water system to WTC hadn't been compromised by the collapse of I and II, it might have survived, although like some of the neighboring buildings that did "survive" it might have ultimately had to be dismantled anyway.

[boppers]

45. "only 3 steel framed buildings in the world"

Wrong.

The McCormick Center
Sight and Sound Theater
Kader Factory
(etc. etc.)...it's pretty common, actually.

Here, educate yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MRSr1MnFuk

edit: typo

[zappaman]

46. thanks for the laugh

Truthers...birthers...what's the difference?
Both equally and rightfully mocked and ridiculed for their silly "theories".

[pjt7]

38. ur a very very funny guy

NIST reported that no fuel storage system, contributed to WTC7 fall down.

That's a nice myth though.

[OnyxCollie]

16. K&R before it ends up in the Dungeon. nt

[urgk]

20. Was the decision to stop drinking made between his collapse on the floor...

...and Rove's invention of the pretzel story? Or immediately afterward?

[David Zephyr]

22. They did.

.

[mitchum]

24. That's because that is what happened

your tax $$$$$$$$$$ at work

[RufusTFirefly]

27. Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, "weapons of mass destruction," "Mission Accomplished"

The Bush Administration had a documented pattern of creating false narratives designed to play with our emotions in order to serve their greedy, cold-blooded purposes.

[catzies]

59. I agree with everything you said except

that does not belong solely to the Bush Admin.

It's been DC SOP for decades.

[JackRiddler]

30. Now where would he get that idea?

[grahamhgreen]

32. But he is the only person who could have authorized such an action.... QUOTE

from Drudge:

"The president reveals he gave the order to shoot down planes on September 11 -- and at first thought the plane in PA had been shot down."

[Wilms]

39. Please don't post relevant comments, else the thread will be tossed to the dungeon. n/t

[ProudDad]

40. Uh, they did! (n/t)

[Angry Dragon]

49. What happened to all the gold that was stored

in the World Trade Center by the Saudis??

[proteus_lives]

51. Doesn't this belong in the batshit forum?

[cbdo2007]

58. Doesn't really matter if it was shot down or crashed down.

Same result and based on the prior actions of the day it was the right decision.

[panzerfaust]

61. "Bush Thought"

So confusing.

Thought that is, and the idea that Bush might be capable of it.

Confusing also is that he should at least know if his brain told him to order the plane shot down, and he might try to remember if he denied it or not, or did it or not, or if he could follow the plot at all.

For plot it was.

IMHO

A plot from the beginning to the end of Democracy in America.

A great read that, the book of that name by de Tocqueville.

Oh. That's right. I forgot. French he was.

So must: Hate, Hate, Hate

And ALWAYS: Fear, Fear, Fear

Welcome to the New America

Praise the Lord
And Fear Him

::Sigh::