Police: Second explosive (PETN) found in record cache in San Diego County

[Turborama]

Source: CNN

November 26, 2010 -- Updated 01:06 GMT -

Authorities have found a second homemade explosive and more of a type of explosive previously discovered in a house in an unincorporated area near Escondido, California, officials said Thursday.

The house occupied by George Djura Jakubec, a computer software consultant who is now under arrest, has been described by authorities as a bomb-making factory. They say it holds the largest cache of the two homemade explosives ever discovered in one spot in the United States.

San Diego County authorities confirmed Thursday they have found pentaerythritol tetranitrate, or PETN, a favorite of al Qaeda bomb-makers that is now the target of new U.S. airport body scans and pat downs.

They also found more hexamethylene triperoxide diamine, or HMTD, in a bottle inside the house, but the two types of homemade explosives were not immediately removed because they are too volatile and the house is too cluttered to negotiate safely, Assistant Sheriff Ed Prendergast said. Authorities had already recovered 8 or 9 pounds of HMTD, an explosive powder that suicide bombers use, authorities said.

Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/24/california.homemade.explosives/index.html?hpt=T2

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[originalpckelly]

2. Is Jakubec a member of al-Qaeda?

Insinuate much CNN?

[still_one]

3. All they said is the components are made from the same material used in the latest incidents by aq.

They did not say he was or wasn't. Regardless, they were not being used for peaceful purposes

I have plenty of grips with the media, mostly because they fail at their job, however, I have no issue with the way this was reported

[Gormy Cuss]

7. By referencing Al-Qaeda they know that it raises the terrorist fear

and links this man to it. Why does that matter? For one thing, it emphasizes his foreignness and unAmerican behavior.

eta: note that "some" PETD was found, but nothing suggests that it was in large quantity like the HMTD. IOW, they're sensationalizing by focusing on the PETD.

[herbm]

9. Not very many Serbian Moslems. Less than 2% of population.

[lunatica]

4. This story is harrowing

If you read it in it's entirety it sounds like a movie with a twisted and tense plot.

[Turborama]

8. Yes, it is

And does.

It's actually a really long and interesting article that's worth reading in its entirety, as you say.

:hi:

[fatbuckel]

5. Was he a US Citizen?

[lunatica]

6. He's a Sebian who is a naturalized citizen

read the story. It gets very scary.

[Ozymanithrax]

10. Likely a home grown terrorist...

Escondido has been home to the October 31, 2010 they tried to get more imigration officials to make escondido unfriendly to illegal aliens. Also, Escondido has three mosques, and there was a great deal of touble in Serbia and Bosnia, such as the Sebrenicia massacre, where muslims were butchered.[br />
Not just Al Qaeda is in this mix, though the news stories seem to be pushing that by linking it to Al Qaeda type explosives.

[Turborama]

11. He's a Serbian national and there's no mention of his religion in that article

Have you read somewhere else that he's a Muslim?

[slackmaster]

12. Nobody has mentioned his religion AFAIK, but his estranged wife said he's crazy

Which makes a lot of sense.

[Turborama]

13. And there's been a lot of mention about bank robberies

Which could also make a lot of sense, if he wants to blow a massive hole into a wall somewhere.

[Ozymanithrax]

16. Bank Roberies are also one way that terrorists and other extremists...

fund their activities. He is said to have robbed two banks in the stories, and did not from what I've read use explsoives at all.

So his bomb bomb stuff wasn't for robbing banks.

[Turborama]

25. We don't know yet what he was planning to do with it. But we will when it goes to court

If he's talking, or if he had evidence within his premises.

[Kennah]

23. Which religious variety of Crazy would that be?

Orthodox Crazy?
Southern Crazy?
Fundamentalist Crazy?

[slackmaster]

24. My diagnosis is Full-Blown Batshit

:hi:

[Ozymanithrax]

15. Didn't say he was Muslim. I was pointing out facts about the Serbian war...

and Escondido.

He could be a Muslim. Newspaper stories keep saying "like Al Qaeda" in their descriptions. The media is spinning it that way.

But, the Sebrenicia massacre was a mass murder of Muslims by Serbian and Bosnian Christians. Yet, there are also three Mosques listed in Escondido. He may have decided to take lout those mosques. Escondido also has been the center of a lot of right wing anti-immigrant hate. His bombs may have been aimed at Hispanics.

It could be any of those, or he just likes things that go boom.

The only think for sure is that his explosives are not stuff you make in your kitchen. It takes some knowledge of explosives to do that. Those explosives are the favorites of terrorists. But terrorists don't have to be Muslim.

[Turborama]

18. "It could be any of those, or he just likes things that go boom."

I laughed, I'm not sure if I should because this could have been really serious, but I did. :rofl:

[Ozymanithrax]

19. That part was somewhat meant for laughts...

I've had friends that like to blow things up...just beacause they are twisted that way.

[BetsysGhost]

14. k

:kick:

[sarcasmo]

17. I have seen the ATF use the word cache a lot lately. If someone has 6 shotguns is that a cache?

[Ozymanithrax]

20. A cache is a hidden storage place.

This guy didn't keep his explosives sitting on the dining room table. He made them and concealed them.

Now, if someone owns twelve unregistered shotguns and keeps their existence hidden, that would be a cache.

[X_Digger]

26. California doesn't register shotguns.

I think the media likes to use 'cache' without the proper context. You and I know that typically there has to be a 'hidden' aspect to really be a 'cache', but seems like if a guy has a couple of hunting rifles in a safe or a gun cabinet, it gets the 'cache' moniker.

[Ozymanithrax]

27. Then do you hide their existance? If they are hidden they are a cache.

That element of hiding makes them a cache.

[X_Digger]

28. Is a gun safe or a locked gun cabinet 'hiding' them?

I mean, that's the responsible thing to do, no?

The other term re guns in reporting that drives me bonkers is 'arsenal'. What are the characteristics of an 'arsenal'? X number of guns? Y caliber? (More likely, 'how much oomph can I add to this story with a few choice phrases?') I forget what the story was, but recently one breathless reporter reported on 'thousands of rounds of ammunition!'- when many calibers come in bricks of 250 or even 500. *snort*

[Ozymanithrax]

29. The word Cache has a real definition...

In this case, the man was making explosives and hiding them. No word on what he why he was doing that. Maybe in the trial we will find out how many inoscent women and children he intended to murder.

But, by definition, for you shotguns to be a cache, it requries hiding.

[Kablooie]

21. Cache is also a nationwide, women's specialty retailer

but I doubt this was where the PETN was stored.

[lunatica]

22. wrong thread