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upstatecajun (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:19 AM Original message |
Bill for concealed guns in bars advances in (Ohio) state Senate |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. If I lived there, I'd be damned if I'd go into a bar that allows |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. So no illegal guns are in a bar? Really? |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. NO guns in a bar or restaurant, period. That's asking for |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Well, I promise you people have guns in bars who have no CCW license. That is why... |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Please provide evidence of illegal guns in bars and restaurants |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Do you really not see stories of a fight in a bar where a illegal gun comes out? Really? |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
89. Really? |
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fatbuckel (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
32. There are no examples because CCW holders in bars was`nt previously legal. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Not true, many states have allowed it since 2000. In Kansas I can even drink.... |
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donquijoterocket (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
50. yeah |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. If they're concealed |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. Drunks and guns! What could possibly go wrong? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. You must have missed the "cannot drink" part. But ok. And you can ..... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Everyone around the permit-holder can drink... |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I want a sober CCW person in the bar where I am drinking...... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Not me. I've known too many cowboys who carry and thought they were ready to handle any situation. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. I have known many CCW people and they NEVER want to pull their gun... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. I guess CCW who pulled one on me- and now has 1 less gun and finger - wasn't acquaintance of yours. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
81. Of course there are some! But as a whole less trouble than the average citizen! n-t |
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Travelman (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
86. Lemme get this straight .... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. It was obvious when the SOB pulled the gun. You guys seemed to believe permit holders are angels. |
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Travelman (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. So, it was "obvious" just because he pulled a gun, that he was a permit holder. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. If your concern was valid, the negative result would be reflected in crime statistics |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
48. So the young guy that witnessed Rep Giffords being attacked who said he was getting ready... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. You just provided a great example of a person who DID use extra caution |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. No, the situation was over before he could draw his weapon... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. He DIDN'T draw his weapon. He didn't shoot anyone. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Way to miss the point... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #66 |
79. You're not making much of a point by presenting an example of where nothing went wrong |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. He's making an excellent point -- 95% of the time, things are over before someone could do anything. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
97. Besides he wasn't drunk. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. He didn't shoot the guy with the gun because used observastion and judgement |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. What training? Does AZ require training? |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. No, it would not have been reasonable had |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #48 |
57. If you're concerned with the wrong people getting shot in "self-defense"... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
95. If it's a concealed weapon - how will bar staff know not to serve these assholes? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
17. Bars have parking lots currently |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
5. *yawn* |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
82. Double yawn |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
7. Drinking and Guns |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. A lot of restaurants have bars too. nt |
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florida08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
10. I'm sure that makes the establishment's owner feel safer |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. The permit is not the problem, the concealed weapon in a |
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florida08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. I assure you |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Legal concealed carry in restaurants serving |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Private property |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
77. Not evertwhere |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Yes, everywhere |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Not everywhere |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. As the owner of the property, you may ask someone to leave. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. That has NO relation to what we were discussing |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. I think it is more reasonable for the placement of arbitrary signs NOT to carry the power of law. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Two things |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Ohio is not only concealed - we allow open carry too. |
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Shadowflash (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
11. Brilliant! |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
12. Got to thin the herd... guns in bars.. oh brother... brilliant... |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
46. I thought the driving drunks were doing an adequate job of thinning the herd. nt |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
19. 'Despite strong objections from law enforcement' nt |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. So? |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
20. Good. I'm annoyed when I have to take off my gun and leave it in the car at a restaraunt. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Are you taking the piss? Why the fuck would you need to carry a gun around with you.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Why are you addressing another DUer in such a brusque manner? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Sorry mom, I always use foul language when warranted.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Wow, you really are emotionally involved in the issue |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. I have been held-up at gunpoint twice in my lifetime so excuse the fuck out of me... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Were the people who held you up carrying guns legally, with permits? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Sorry, I neglected to ask them at the time I was being held up.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. If your hostility was directed at criminals, that would make sense |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. And just how the fuck is anyone supposed to know who is legal and who is not... |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Here is a hint... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. ..damn, I forgot to think about that as he shoved the .38 in my face... |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Correct, the legality of the assailant's gun does not even matter. |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Penis extensions? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #59 |
73. Penis envy perhaps?? |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. I carry a gun in the rare case I may have to defend myself with it. |
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Travelman (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
87. Magazine. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. For God's sake -- we ought not "inconvenience" folks who carry in public. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
47. Aside from the fact that they're now required to excessively handle loaded guns in parking lots... |
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florida08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
22. then again I could be wrong |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
24. I come to these threads just for the unfounded hysteria and hand-wringing from people who oppose CCW |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. You should include the irrational tripe of folks who can't leave home without a gun. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
37. Gun Toting Fanatics... people should get their heads examined |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Glad to hear there is no violent crime in Boston...I guess the stats |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. So if everyone was packing there would be no crime? Is that your theory? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. That is a Straw Man |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Please read the post I was referring to... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. pipoman most certainly did not suggest that everyone should carry a gun |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Sorry, not swallowing that bait.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Bait? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Yup. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #41 |
67. Did I say that? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Speaking of strawmen... |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Wearing a condom isn't the same as having one on hand. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. I usually wear two, and take one off when I want to have sex |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Ankle holsters... you get to have two AND be totally naked! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. I also enjoy reading all the commentary from amateur psychologists and psychiatrists |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
53. They are out in force in this thread... |
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RaRa (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
65. I guess it's a birthday present for my brother |
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inwiththenew (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
85. It passed the Senate 25-7 |
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88. Oh Great..Just What ..We Need... |
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