BREAKING Rick Snyder recall langauge approved. His days as governor are numbered.

[FourScore]

Source: DailyKos

Hello everyone from sunny Michigan. This afternoon the Detroit Free Press is reporting that a panel of Washrenaw County judges voted 2-1 to approve the language of a recall petition to remove Gov. Rick Snyder from office.

What this means is that we Michiganders have 90 days from today to gather 800,000 signatures and force a recall election.

I am posting this because Eclectablog must still be working. I assure you he will be on top of this shortly. I just wanted to break the news.

Yipppeeeeee,


Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/29/971510/-BREAKING!-Rick-Snyder-recall-langauge-approvedHis-days-as-governor-are-numbered

[opihimoimoi]

1. OH OH Big battle coming up...Recall is answer to voters remorse

[Cal33]

Now, if both Snyder and Walker are successfully recalled, this would

put a damper on other power-mad Repub. governors. They'll realize
that they'll have to behave more like human beings, for a change.

[opihimoimoi]

33. They prolly won't change very much....they have committed a sin..

Campaign on change but when in office....pushed for more tax cuts for the rich, etc...on the backs of the working class.

I hope nx year is the year of Reason and its return from MIA status....

[Cal33]

82. I hope next year will be the year of reason, too. As for having

committed a sin, I don't think Neocons believe in sin (or they wouldn't be behaving the way they do). It's all for
political purposes. Some Teabaggers could believe in sin though. They probably have some odd way of explaining to
themselves why it's right to give more to the rich and take away from the poor and help them dies more quickly.

[TheEuclideanOne]

54. Walker too?

Is that possible?

[jmowreader]

55. Not for a year

Wisconsin elected officials have to serve for a year before they can be recalled.

This actually works better for us: Walker is doing all the anti-humanity shit he's doing because it's going to fix the state's economy. Unfortunately for him, what he's doing is going to make it worse.

If for some reason the economic cycle can manage to pull Wisconsin out of the disaster it's in he might not get recalled in 2012. If it doesn't--and the tax cuts he signed have pulled the economy down so far I don't think it will come back--he is history next year.

Right now, the best case scenario is the Koch Brothers get tired of losing money thanks to their handpicked governor and order him to resign.

[TheEuclideanOne]

60. A stupid question, but.....

Can signatures be collected ahead of time?

[iwishiwas]

79. PLEDGE sigs are being collected now for Walker recall. Then come

next January we have an up-hopefully to directly contact these pledges and get the required sigs.

[Cal33]

83. I didn't know pledge sigs. are being collected right now for

Walker's recall next year. Glad to hear of it.

[iwishiwas]

80. Here is a link to collect pledge sigs....

There are other groups doing the same. Hopefully, all pledges will sign the real Recall.

http://www.unitedwisconsin.com/how-can-i-help-recall-scott-walker

[Roci]

48. This guy should be sweating

Seems to me that all they need to do is collect signatures from everyone left in Detroit, then hit Benton Harbor, and Ann Arbor naturally, and this guy is so gone. Toss in Flint and Saginaw, and it will be a total rout. Get rid of this guy, and send a message!

[opihimoimoi]

63. they will get 10 million sigs...a lot more than 800 000 required

[freshwest]

2. MI needs to get this done yesterday before he's sold the entire state off to his cronies.

[midnight]

3. We are with you Michigan.... Go get those signatures... I hope Michael Moore brings his bull horn..

[jimlup]

4. I'm a registered MI voter

Where can I sign?? (actually, I'm sure I'll find it. It's really a rhetorical question to kick the thread :)

[robinlynne]

5. k&r for people to see. yo LandShark..other DUers from Michigan...

[HereSince1628]

6. Good Luck, and Godspeed getting your signatures!

I'd love to start seeing the anti-democracy crowd thinned out by a bunch of governors.

[autorank]

7. This would be utterly devastating with 800,000 sigs

That would send a huge message.

[aquart]

66. That's why two million would be more fun.

Every scratch on every line will be questioned. Be ready to drown the bastard in signatures.

[Firebrand Gary]

8. Goodbye to the dictator!

Later.

[freshwest]

9. Welcome to DU!

[Firebrand Gary]

70. Thank you.

I've been reading here for years, its high time I get more involved.

[SoapBox]

10. Good Luck! And Best Wishes to get this scum out of office.

[Auntie Bush]

11. Wow1 That means they have to get about 8,900 sigs a day...everyday.

I know they can do it...the people are mad. They'll probably have a line waiting to sign.

[Snoutport]

16. makes me want to go stand on sidewalk and get signatures!

[Auntie Bush]

20. Me too...but I'm too old for that.

I hope a lot of people from other states will have the same sentiment and give them a hand.

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, FourScore.

[vduhr]

13. Michigan....my birth state....I love ya'

I know you can do it!!!! We're all cheering for you!!

[katty]

14. K&R

[Snoutport]

15. k & r and a challenge to send five bucks to their campaign.

Is there any need for financial help for the recall effort?

[AC_Mem]

17. Oh this is good news

Michael Moore needs to get on television, radio - blast this out and gather the volunteers!

OFA, DCCC - all of them need to be blasting the message to organize and get those signatures.

Very good news indeed.

Annette

[Drale]

18. I wonder if this ends like WWII?

Rick Snyder in a underground bunker with his enemies closing in and finally takes his own life? I highly doubt it will come to that, but thats usually how fascists fall.

[drm604]

19. I love it!

Go Michigan! :kick:

[Kurovski]

21. Democracy may end up working after all.

Maybe. K&R

[tclambert]

22. When you get locations, let us know where to go to sign.

I'm here in heavily Republican Oakland county, surrounded by the smug stupid people. Probably not a lot of petitioners here.

[mikeburetta]

23. recall

and come jan when our governor walker will have been in a year you can be assured he will have the revall pation comming his way.. we have to waite a year by state law but its comming!

[cliffordu]

24. K&R~!!!!!!!

There are consequences for being a clown in this country.

And they just got steeper.

[madrchsod]

25. 'one state at a time...go get'm michigan!

[Bearware]

62. What's wrong with a 50 state strategy

People all over the country are angry about what is going on. Why not get the base + independents + defecting GOP to practice for 2012 by getting people registered to vote and then start hundreds of recall petitions at the state level, in all states that support recalls, on everybody who is for tax breaks for corporations, tax cuts for the rich, no regulations or tariffs and balancing the budget on the backs of the middle class. Karl Rove and his minions have had the 2012 campaign figured out for the last year or two. Imagine how they would try to deal with a grass roots tsunami of angry people gathering signatures all across the country. You could even have the newly homeless help out in a very meaningful way.

Instead of blathering about "sending a message", let the people in Washington see their state colleges getting thrown out on their butts and their assured majorities reversed. What would better assist a Washington democrat to grow a spine. What would better convince them that becoming/being a blue dog is political suicide.

The corporations have declared war on the middle class and the American Democracy. Overthrowing the constitution is treason so let's not talk worry about needing any extra reasons why someone with a copy on Ayn Rand in their pocket should be recalled.

Finally, what could be a better way of debugging the election process with all the tricks the Rovians have planned with machines, voter caging, provisional ballots etc. Maybe we could even get a progressive state attorney general in power who will indict some of these traitors before 2011. If enough of this happens the corporate media might even get scared enough to cover it.

[LynneSin]

26. well not 800k signatures but about 100k signatures

since those petitions will be challenged and some will proved to be fake.

However - the best of luck to you and all our friends in Michigan

[janet118]

81. As a past signature gatherer . . .

Yes, 1,000,000.

Beware of people who purposely sign petitions with phony names or those who sign but are not registered voters. When does it start, I have relatives in Ann Arbor who will be glad to sign on.

[LynneSin]

106. I did miss a zero there

I think it's important to check IDs when gathering signatures. That'll help get quality signatures.

[Liberal_in_LA]

27. wow. Good luck with getting those signatures

[Vidar]

28. Wonderful News! I have lots of friends & acquaintances whose arms

I will be twisting for the next 90 days.

[Michigan-Arizona]

29. I can't sign but I know lot's of family & friend's in Michigan that will!

This would be one time that I wish that I still lived in Michigan as I would stand on street corner's 24 hour's a day to gather signature's. I plan to call everyone I know to have them sign it. Hell the repugs I know there didn't even vote for this moron & they knew he was planning on taking Michigan in a very bad direction. I hope to sell our house here soon so we can move back home to get out of Arizona.

[pink-o]

30. Power to the People!!!!

After you guys had the great Jennifer Grandholm, what a blow to get this Snyder Douchenozzle. Good on y'all for going for the throat. Twits like this only get into office by lying, the truth shall set you free (of him)

[rasputin1952]

31. Great news! The Radical GOP has awoken a sleeping giant...

Good luck getting the signatures...I think it will take less than 90 days to get 800,000; but a really nice buffer zone would terrify the GOP...:D

[Howler]

32. WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOT!!!!!!!!!

[handmade34]

34. oh yes... rec!!!

[TruthTeller]

35. sign up with We are the People

Go to your local union office==about anyone would do and sign up with "We are the People." Sign up, get involved, get started!

[handmade34]

36. more links...

http://www.michiganliberal.com/diary/17825/pscholka-targeted-by-recall-campaign

http://annarborchronicle.com/2011/04/29/election-board-snyder-recall-wording-ok/

http://progressmichigan.org/

wish I was there to help...

[PuffedMica]

37. Go get 'em

Run the Republicans out of office on a rail.

[PuffedMica]

38. K&R

[williesgirl]

39. great news! How can we out-of-state DU'ers help? rec'd

[freshwest]

41. Yes, please, 'an injustice to one is an injustice to all...'

[Pharaoh]

40. Go Michigan!!

Wisconsin is beside you!

Both literally and figuratively :toast:

[Grateful for Hope]

42. K&R

[plumbob]

43. A great big "sic 'em!" from Texas!

Wish WE had recall.........

[Octafish]

44. Where do I sign?

I'll bring everyone on my block.

[KamaAina]

45. I know at least one Michigander who's here in the Bay Area for the summer

and I'm sure she wants to sign. Is such a thing possible?

Here's some mood music while you're pondering that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlS3twJWYSc

[Weird Liberal Head]

46. This is beautiful!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

[mysuzuki2]

47. viel Gluck aus Milwaukee!

[Sinistrous]

49. I wish we could get Corbett the hell out of Harrisburg, but

as far as I know, there is no recall mechanism in Pennsylvania.

[Sparky 1]

50. Goooo Michigan! May a kazillion volunteers go door to door collecting sigs for you.

[BumRushDaShow]

51. K&R

Woot! Go Michigan! :applause:

[spartan61]

52. As a former Michigander, I would have loved to

sign the recall petition. Unfortunately, I have my own governor problems. I now live in Florida. Can you say Rick Scott????

[Faygo Kid]

53. Another Spartan and Michigan expatriate saying TAKE HIM OUT.

Sorry about the caps.

I hope to retire back Home in a few years from the DC area, and I don't want Snyder and what he represents anywhere near me.

[donheld]

56. Here's hoping Michigan does the right thing and kicks him to the curb

[elocs]

57. None of this is a slam-dunk and it will require hard work to get the signatures & get out the vote.

If this succeeds in MI it will only help us and inspire us here in Wisconsin to do what needs to be done next year.

[veganlush]

58. that's great news but

we gotta get those signatures done...and we'll need more than 800,000 so we need to get busy

[Oceansaway]

59. k & r...nt

[madmax]

61. K&R nt

[AllyCat]

64. If we can do this in Wisco, you can do it in MI. Go get 'em!!!

[littlewolf]

65. ok can they get the 800K signatures ??

[Hannah Bell]

67. kr

[Enthusiast]

68. I hope you nail the bastard! nt

[No Elephants]

69. Mixed feelings Snyder does need to be recalled but I fear for the future.

Republicans will start recalling every Dem.

Koch brothers and superpacs will fund, but Democrats never seem to have the same kind of money--and our states sure can't afford endless campaigns and elections. Government will not be able afford that kind of disruption, either. Little enough good stuff gets done as it is.

[Firebrand Gary]

71. Let's hope Progressives United makes some head way then.

I heart Fiengold.

[drm604]

86. That tactic doesn't seem to be working to well for them in Wisconsin. n/t

[Shadowflash]

72. I live in Kalamazoo

I wonder where I can volunteer to help collect signatures.

[Faygo Kid]

99. Not sure about that, but I've got a gal there. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFv_PoZ2iP0

[Hubert Flottz]

73. Bye Bye you freakin' SCAB!

I can smell the tar and feathers already.

[harmonicon]

74. Recalls are stupid.

Nothing says sense like a huge group of people fucking up and then acknowledging it only to demand another chance to fuck it up again.

[RBInMaine]

75. Yes, they should have voted and voted the right way the FIRST time, BUT if they can get rid of him,

GOOD. But yeah, too bad it took this fuck-up last November to cause this. LIVE AND LEARN.

[Broderick]

76. Setting these kind of precedent

because we don't like what was voted in seems like opening a huge can of crap in the future. I understand the frustration though and don't disagree that steps need to be taken. I just see this becoming the norm now from both sides.

[Pab Sungenis]

78. That's not the case.

It's when an elected official comes in as a Trojan Horse, campaigning on one thing and then ramming through very bad stuff like Snyder with his Financial Martial Law, it gives the people a chance to step in.

Especially when corruption in the legislature prevents them from doing their duty of removing him, or when they are in collusion.

[harmonicon]

94. Republicans lie?! Say it ain't so!

Anyone could have voted for a good candidate; Bernero. I listened to their debate and was amazed when I heard a few days later that Snyder was still polling ahead. People are fucking idiots. Instead of having recalls, I think it would be better to work towards campaign finance reform, fair redistricting laws, instant run off voting, etc. Having recalls will just perpetuate the shit we've got already. Remember, stupid recalls are what gave the world The Governator.

[joeglow3]

85. DEAD on.

We elected a Democratic mayor and as soon as possible the fucktards on the right filed a recall. Sadly, they even got enough signatures. Thus, we had to go through paying for an unsuccessful recall vote. All because people were pissed with the way the original vote turned out and not because anything illegal was done. Sadly, I expect to see more of this.

People need to remember that elections have consequences.

[Broderick]

88. I agree

It seems that this will now become the norm, and its the taxpayers that end up paying for it. There is always consequences to elections, and one side or the other is always disappointed in losing, and now they will be overturning or recalling elected officials left and right and sometimes to no avail. Patience I think should prevail because there is always another election coming, but in today's society we want things yesterday. Again, I understand the situation to a degree, but I think the precedent is unmoving.

[blue_onyx]

111. The precedent has already been set

The GOP recalled MI state senators during Blanchard's term in the 80s. It flipped the senate to Republican control and has been in Republican control since that time.

[MichiganVote]

95. Pardon me, but you need some facts. Fact 1. Snyder did not endorse these "budget" measures

when he ran for office.

Fact 2. After the MEA and other unions challenged Snyder he added to the pot for his crony millionaire friends

Fact 3. There is now reported, finally, a surplus of money in Michigan which Snyder and his Senate and House crooked friends tried to keep secret from the population.

[MichiganVote]

96. This guy isn't the only crook in Michigan. The Dem's in this state are about as bad. Incl. the Union

heads. We have a litany of graft in this state and while I want him gone, the list is huge.

[harmonicon]

97. None of that matters.

Of course politicians lie. It's not like this is new from Snyder. The choice between Snyder and Bernero was stark, and Snyder won by a huge margin. How can so many people be so stupid? I don't know, but I don't think those same failures should just be able to call "do over!".

[MichiganVote]

103. Sorry- this "do over" is being lawfully sought and it will happen.

[harmonicon]

104. Yeah, I get that, and given the chance, I'll vote against Snyder.

I just think it's more-or-less spinning wheels, and as others have said, sets a poor precedent.

[LanternWaste]

122. This is the first recall in American history?

"sets a poor precedent..."

This is the first recall in American history?

[harmonicon]

123. The first recall for governor of Michigan in my life.

In my memory, the only recall I remember was in California when I was there for grad school. I seem to remember that it was a boondoggle and some sort of immigrant body builder with zero qualifications ended up being governor.

[blue_onyx]

108. The difference was not stark

Neither candidate said anything. Bernero kept saying lame "fat cat" talking points. Synder used lame "value for money" business talking points. I didn't hear much of a plan from either candidate. Bernero was a poor candidate.

[harmonicon]

113. I can't remember details from a year old debate.

I do however remember that the difference as stark to these ears. I thought Bernero wiped the floor with Snyder.

[Le Taz Hot]

77. Alright Michigan!

Between the citizens of Michigan and Wisconsin we may actually begin taking our country back. Someone posted an article by Nader not long ago saying essentially that major social movements start in the least likely places. It's just so apropos that Democracy restoration start in the heartland.

Michigan and Wisconsin: :yourock:

[lonestarnot]

84. Yeah!

[placton]

87. I am from MI!

All that energy Obama doesnt get from me, will go toward this. This man is evil and corrupt, the worst of the new GOOPERGUVS!

[femrap]

89. If only Ohio could

recall King John Kasich.

Good Luck!

[Blue Owl]

90. Go to hell Snyder

take your fucking suitcase of draconian bullshit with you and fuck off you fucking fuck.

[WillyT]

91. HUGE K & R !!!

:bounce::woohoo::bounce:

:kick:

[vetet]

92. They have all got to go..

The GOP has flunked at economics and war. They have all got to go and that's in the book "No Army Dodgers Here, Rush Elsewhere " by Ray Etrych..Real Core Principles and the WW2 Infantry now all digitals..help a progressive with progressive funding just as the pres. books helped his debt. ..the GOP govs must be recalled and replaced to stop the redistricting they will do setting the movement back.

[lunatica]

93. kick'd and rec'd

[Faygo Kid]

98. Born and raised in Michigan, and going home to retire there, despite Snyder. But get rid of the SOB

He's another Koch puppet, like Kasich in Ohio or Walker in Wisconsin or any other damned Rethug elected as guv in 2010. They are all tools and know it, and are without any shred of decency.

Get rid of him, Michigan. You should have elected Virg Bernero, but you know that now.

[cascadiance]

100. Virg Bernero would be optimal to replace him. Might Jennifer Granholm be eligible again?

I know there are term limits that kept her running again earlier, but since she will have been out of office while Snyder is in, could she run again, like so many other recently governors have done (Branstadt, Brown, Kitzhaber)? Not saying she would be my first choice, but just wonder if she's an option in the recall election?

[harmonicon]

105. I'm pretty sure she's out for good.

In the case of Brown, he could run again because the term limit law was passed after he was governor. I'm pretty sure the law had gone into effect before Granholm was first elected. In any case, I think she would be horrible - she was an awful governor, just better than a Republican would have been.

[blue_onyx]

107. Granholm was a good governor

I wish she had been able to run for a third term. She certainly would have, at the very least, done better than Bernero.

[harmonicon]

112. You really think so?

What makes you think that? Sure, I voted for her - twice - but was never happy about it. If you haven't noticed, Michigan is fucked. It's the only - as in, one out of 50 - state to actually lose population over the last ten years. Who was governor for most of those years? What did she do? I'll give it to you that the deck was stacked against us, but she just seemed to sit there, watch things going wrong, and talk about giving kids laptops and making "cool" cities. I think Bernero would be great. He wasn't running on the basis of having an adorable blonde family and really not liking child abuse and kiddie porn (if you remember the junk mail from her first campaign).

[blue_onyx]

114. MI lost population

because the auto industry collapsed. She, nor any other governor, couldn't have stopped that. To imply it's in anyway her fault is ridiculous.

Granholm had a great economic strategy. Her goal was to diversify MI's economy into four areas: health care, advanced manufacturing, alternative energy, and defense. Sectors that would be less likely to outsourced and/or drew on our strengthens. Additionally, her incentive program for the film industry added a 5th sector to diversifying the economy. She strategy has been great and has been working. Unfortunately, the auto job losses has prevented many (including many Dems) from viewing Granhlom's administration in the correct light. Here are a few example of good news during her term:

"When it comes to renewable energy, economic development officials in Michigan could be laughing all the way to the bank.

Michigan's renewable energy policy has attracted billions of dollars in investments over the last two years while neighboring Indiana sat idly by. The developments are expected to create thousands of jobs in manufacturing -- a blow to industrial areas like Northwest Indiana."

http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=135&ArticleID=57183


"Michigan job gains at 10-year high

California and Michigan, which each suffered some of the worst job losses during the recession, are adding jobs again. California last month had its single best month for job creation in more than two decades.

Michigan, meanwhile, added 71,000 jobs last year. That's the first sustained job gain the state has had in the past decade, said Sophia Koropeckyj, a managing director at Moody's Analytics.

Michigan's unemployment rate has plummeted from 13.5 percent to 10.4 percent, the biggest drop in the nation."

http://detnews.com/article/20110326/BIZ/103260331/Michigan-job-gains-at-10-year-high#ixzz1L9V4YtP1



There's has been quite a bit of good news during the last year or two of Granholm's term. I just don't care to spend time looking it all up.

Regarding your "He wasn't running on the basis of having an adorable blonde family and really not liking child abuse and kiddie porn" comment. What did he run on? Nothing. That's why he lost so badly. He opposed things like a graduated income tax and sided with the GOP in opposing a new bridge to Canada (which would've created 10,000 construction jobs). He couldn't get the Democrats to the polls. I know typically Democratic leaning voters (one of whom is a public school teacher) who stayed home. He was a poor candidate. His opposition was Dillon so of course he looked better than he really was. If this recall is success (unlikely given the number of signatures needed), I hope he doesn't run. I would prefer someone like Gretchen Whitmer.

[harmonicon]

115. But isn't this the problem?

On many levels there wasn't anything that someone in state government could have done to fix the problems. However, I don't think making an argument that it would have been worse with someone else really flies, and I'm sorry that that's probably why so many people voted for Snyder (shudder to think).

[blue_onyx]

116. Nobody...

in the state government could've changed what happened in the auto industry. The governor isn't in charge of running those companies.

"I don't think making an argument that it would have been worse with someone else "

That wasn't my argument at all. My argument was Granholm's economic polices were good.

[SunDrop23]

101. Good Luck Michigan! (nfm)

[Lions_fan]

102. I'm not confident about this at all

I heard the guy leading the recall effort on Frank Beckmann's show and he was really unprepared. The interview was a couple days before the petition was expected to be approved and the guy didn't even have boots on the ground ready to collect signatures or a general idea of what areas he would target. I wish him good but i'm not confident about this at all. Here's the website for anyone interested

http://www.firericksnyder.org/

[Doctor_J]

109. Yes, if Snyder wins the do-over, then where will we be?

He'll get even more fascist.

[mvd]

110. Kick

I'm fine with recalls as we don't have to be stuck with a tyrant who is dangerous but there hasn't been anything technically illegal. Another thing Europe does right, IMO (their votes of confidence).

[The Nexus]

117. Never ever underestemate the Tea Party

Recalls would come back to haunt us with legistlation they might not like.

[Jack Rabbit]

118. Good luck. Throw that crook out NOW!!!

Let's face it, the worst kind of capitalism is crony capitalism.

[StarsInHerHair]

119. kicking it up, hello from California! hope you get MILLIONS of sigs, hahaha

nt

[JNelson6563]

120. Go here to volunteer or donate

http://michigancitizensunited.org/

Julie

[smirkymonkey]

121. K&R and a rec & pledge

[sarcasmo]

124. Kick a thousand times.