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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 04:59 AM
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Beheading suspects led by Saddam's nephew
Edited on Sat May-22-04 05:00 AM by JoFerret
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1222362,00.html

Luke Harding in Baghdad
Saturday May 22, 2004
The Guardian

The mystery of who killed Nick Berg, the freelance contractor beheaded on video, took a new twist last night when Iraqi police claimed they had arrested four suspects with links to Saddam Hussein's family.
Iraqi security officials said Berg's alleged killers were part of a group led by a close relative of Saddam - his nephew Yasser al-Sabawi.

The men were seized a week ago after a tip-off, they said. All were former members of the Fedayeen Saddam, the para military group notorious for its loyalty to Iraq's ex-president.

But last night the US military spokesman, Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, said American forces had arrested four men linked to the Berg case after a raid in Baghdad. Two had been released and two were still being questioned.

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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 05:12 AM
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1. Given this...
... why does the principal on the tape identify himself as Abu Masud al-Zarqawi?

More phony shit, methinks.

Grab a culprit now, make the facts fit the case later. Kimmitt has already proved himself to be a liar in his description of the latest atrocity. There were five people in the videotape, but four have been arrested and two subsequently released? Not plausible.

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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 05:28 AM
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2. More disinformation
If we ever find out the truth I dont think it will make the US look good.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 05:50 AM
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3. It's clear from this article
that they don't have a clue. Either that, or it is one big deliberate fog of disinformation. Come across as bumbling incompetents either way.
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Avonrepus Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 06:07 AM
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5. I'm sure it'll send the freepers wild though
I mean Saddam's nephew a terrorist? well that proves the Saddam/Al Qaida link doesn't it? Never mind they weren't Al Qaida and the guy may just have chosen to become a terrorist once the Americans arrived. I'm sure a journey over to Freerepublic or Rightnation will comfirm my suspicions.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 06:07 AM
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4. ITS ANOTHER NAME FOR THE SHEEPLE TO BLAME IT ON.
IE: they deserve to get the "SHIT" kicked out of them for how they hung our "SOLDIERS" from the bridge and how they killed this young "CONTRACTOR" who was trying to build schools and feed children

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Tuttle Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 07:25 AM
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6. Huh...
so maybe we should recall all those regime change card decks and add a 56th card?

Tut-tut
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 07:43 AM
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7. Breaking: Jacko identified in Berg video!!!
He's the one just to the right of OJ Simpson.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 07:45 AM
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8. Well, it's this neat
now put a bow on it and it's all wrapped up.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 07:55 AM
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9. The psy-war propaganda continues
Edited on Sat May-22-04 08:29 AM by teryang
This is inconsistent with the "terrorist" statement and prior American statements.

Why did our government lie about having Berg in custody? A good criminal investigator would not let this go. Given the reasonable suspicion, based upon circumstantial evidence that Berg was actually in American custody when he was murdered, (the chair, the orange suit, the Abu Ghraib decor, the Army bdu cap) it should be noted that his death is completely consistent with bush administration motives and policy. Berg's father challenged the junta, politically and later in court, in an effort to save his son form unlawful confinement. His reward, unsupported accusations of treason against his son, and seeing his son beheaded. They've upped the ante from outing Ambassador Wilson's spouse.

Berg's father was about to judo flip the junta in federal court, I guess he didn't didn't get the last word in on Mr. Ashcroft or Mr. Rumsfeld. To rub it in, the brutal killing was used to defend and strengthen the fascist regime when it was in danger of succumbing to outrage concerning its systemic unlawful torture policy and breaches of international law.

This administration has methodically created the unlawful framework for an international gulag where people are tortured and disappear. It isn't just a subversion of international law, it is linked to attacks on the Bill of Rights and Constitutional safeguards at home. Many democratic elected officials have dimwittedly just gone along for the ride. Like Dachau, as long as its true scope is disguised, people try to pretend nothing is seriously amiss and that the Constitutional mechanisms are still in place. Denials by public officials and facile rationalizations by Generals are taken at face value by fawning elected officials.

The rhetoric of human rights remain in an adumbrated mode, but the abdication of rights, political machinations, legal misrepresentations, propaganda and psychological warfare are having their impact. It is embodied in Congressional legislation and executive orders doing away with the due process of law. One hardly holds out much hope for the Supreme Court to do anything about it in the important cases now pending before it.

Violating the Conventions in Afghanistan is okay, in Gitmo it is okay, but we have some reservations about "abuse" in Iraq but the terrorists are worse, it was only a few soldiers, look they beheaded Nick Berg! Just in time, too! Fascinating, mesmerizing, mass propaganda of a dictatorship and totalitarian regime in the making.

Just substitute Berg's name for Derwish in the following article.

From:

CIA Target: Americans
Officials: U.S. Citizens Working for Al Qaeda Can Be Killed in CIA Actions

By John J. Lumpkin

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/cia_americans021203.html

<Try to keep in mind the big picture of the Bush II administration’s plans for new “justice” system for accused terrorists. If the Bush administration wins all of its court cases and implements all of its expressed policy preferences, anyone accused of terrorism who is not a “state actor,” that is a soldier of another state, would get neither the protections of the criminal justice system, nor the protections afforded POWs under the Geneva Convention. This is the system in place, for example, in Guantanamo and Iraqi prisons. >

<The Bush administration sees it differently. In killing him, the administration defined Derwish as an enemy combatant, the equivalent of a U.S. citizen who fights with the enemy on a battlefield, officials said. Under this legal definition, experts say, his constitutional rights are nullified and he can be killed outright.>


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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:17 AM
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11. You sum up, in a most articulate way, my perspective.
I am convinced that this was a black-op or merc operation.

On the other hand, I do not exclude the possibility, which was discussed yesterday, that a separate party had been paid (probably very well) just to abduct Berg because such an arrangement would operate to cover-up the evidence trail to the actual murderers.

I wish Berg's father would have an independent autopsy performed. The revelations of drugs, time of death vs. beheading, date of death, etc. could answer additional mysteries about this horrible, horrible event.

I also hope independent evaluations of this situation continue.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:37 AM
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12. The use of proxy "terrorists" would
Edited on Sat May-22-04 08:38 AM by teryang
...be something I would not rule out. Because it is a common technique.

The circumstantial evidence connecting this to Abu Ghraib is astounding for its stupidity. It looks as if they had to extemporize on short notice. The defense of Abu Ghraib originates in Abu Ghraib and the come uppance of Berg's father, a message to all who would try activism or to use the courts to defy the administration, all in one. It's diabolical and clumsy.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 09:59 AM
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14. Actually, I think we did this one ourselves
If you notice all the terrorists in the video are wearing the same 'uniform'. They all have the same black pants, black shirts that are somewhat transparent, showing them all wearing the same body armor.

Otherwise, they are wearing different head wraps and shoes but everything else is the same. Add that to all the other oddities and it sure looks like they are all wearing the latest OSP issued black ops fashions.

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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:10 AM
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15. So do I
Edited on Sat May-22-04 10:14 AM by teryang
See my post above.

I think the use of paid thugs to take him back into custody is what is being suggested.

I think we killed him directly too. If you look at the principle of agency, it's academic whether you kill someone yourself or pay someone else to do it. That is why the American denial of having Berg in custody is so specious. When you have someone under your dominion and control does it matter who the jailer is who follows your orders? But I think you are right the killers are probably American or American agents.

I doubt if you could find an Iraqi of a political bent stupid enough to do what was done to Berg, even though murder and mayhem are so common there.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:07 AM
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10. The 'we caught em' tactic.
Any Iraqis will do. "After all, how many Americans know who's who in Iraq, we can release them later, maybe".
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robertarctor Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 09:50 AM
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13. More red meat for the dumbfucks
It's hard to believe any bullshit this flagrantly stupid would fly with the Murkan public. But then, tune in to OxyContin Boy or Sean Insanity or Pill O'Lielly or The Savage Weiner, and all bets are off.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 10:30 AM
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16. More BS...they just can't let go of their paper tiger.
Saddam Saddam Saddam!
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:30 AM
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17. How conveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient!
Saddam's nephew? By direct order of the devil himself?

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 06:33 PM
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18. Could the cloud of disinfo be more nebulous?
Yes, Berg was killed by the "fog of war", no doubt.
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