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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:33 AM
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Florida GOP lawmakers urge action on Cuba
August 11. 2003 6:00AM
Florida GOP lawmakers urge action on Cuba

The Associated Press

MIAMI

A group of Florida Republican state representatives is warning President Bush that he could lose their support for the 2004 election if he fails to adopt a tougher Cuba policy.

The Cuban-American leaders drafted a letter to be mailed Monday asking the administration to revise its current migration policy, indict Fidel Castro for the 1996 shoot down of two planes by Cuban fighter jets, ensure that TV Marti is viewed by people in Cuba and increase aid to dissidents on the island.

"We feel it is our responsibility as Republican elected officials to inform you that unless substantial progress on the above-mentioned issues occurs rapidly, we fear the historic and intense support from Cuban American voters for Republican federal candidates, including yourself, will be jeopardized," reads the letter, signed by 13 members of the state's Republican Hispanic Caucus.

Many prominent members of the Cuban American community have criticized the Bush administration's decision last month to return 12 Cubans suspected of hijacking a boat to reach Florida. Six of the men were freed upon their return to Cuba, one of the repatriated men said last week. (snip/...)

http://gainesvillesun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030811/APN/308110568&cachetime=5


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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 03:40 AM
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1. They're right.
We need another war. Come on! We're only fighting two and threatening many more right now!

Sigh. So many idiots on this planet, so little support for shipping them off to Pluto.

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PennyLane Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:14 AM
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2. Even Jeb...........
Jeb is at odds with brother George over this issue. But Dubya will pull some trick outta his fanny at the last minute, and appease all the Cuban voters. He's good at that. I wouldn't doubt that this all being staged for that very purpose anyway!!!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:32 AM
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3. How many of these Cubans are there?
I have to admit until Elian I had no idea that Miami Cubans were such a powerful voting block that they could nearly direct US foreign policy. Why? Are there that many of them in comparison to the reset of the state? Are they just really rich? What is the deal with these people?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:47 AM
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4. Maybe this article might explain a bit
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 04:48 AM by JudiLyn
It's not the best article you could find, but it was the first one which popped up in google which seemed to address describing the Cuban-American political clout in U.S. politics. (There's a ton of information available, all very strange!)

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(snip)Morning in Miami
A New Era for Cuban Americans

By Alejandro Portes
Issue Date: 0.0.00
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T he recent visit of Pope John Paul II to Cuba gave the world an unusual glimpse of the last officially communist nation in the West. The implausible location of that country, just a short hop from American shores, was highlighted by the thousands of American pilgrims on the island for the occasion. The two old men who warmly greeted each other on the tarmac of José Martí International Airport could not be more different, but they also know each other. The pope knows communism intimately from his Polish and Eastern European days; Fidel knows the Church intimately from being brought up Catholic by Jesuit priests. They dueled with great finesse during those five days, trading subtle barbs at each other's ideology. Only on one point did they firmly coincide—the immorality of the United States's economic encirclement of Cuba and the need to bring it to an end. It was this common point that actually opened the doors of the island to the pope, creating a political turning point after almost four decades of iron dictatorship.

Only a few weeks earlier, the most prominent Cuban exile leader, Jorge Mas Canosa, had died of cancer in Miami. His death also marked a political turning point. It is but a slight exaggeration to say that under Mas's influence, Miami began to acquire the features of a Latin American dictatorship, opposite in ideology but similar in ruthless effectiveness to the communist regime that it opposed. The American trade embargo that the pope and Castro jointly denounced in Havana would probably have been lifted long ago had it not been for Mas and his powerful supporters. Although the pope overtly decried Washington's intransigence, his message was really aimed at Miami, where the roots of that intransigence lie.

While explicitly addressing the confrontation between two countries, the pope tacitly sought to reconcile the Cuban war across the Strait of Florida. For decades, charismatic leaders at both ends of the strait have used all available means to stay in power and crush their opponents. In Miami no less than in Cuba, the rule of law takes second place to the leaders' conviction in the rightness of their cause and their own historical role. Mas, like Castro, was a faithful practitioner of the old Latin American motto: For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.

It would be inaccurate, however, to portray Mas and his supporters as a criminal gang. He and the members of the organization that he created, the Cuban American National Foundation (CANF), are politically sophisticated extremists with a tight grip on the Cuban-American electorate. They direct Cuban Americans to vote overwhelmingly for hand-picked candidates, who purvey hard-line anti-Castro policies in Tallahassee and Washington. Farther afield, CANF's money has helped elect presidents and has heavily influenced the outcome of political struggles in Latin America and Africa, always on the conservative side. And, most importantly, the foundation has succeeded in imposing its views on the Clinton administration, literally dictating its policy toward Cuba. (snip/...)

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:GULNm01UAPoJ:www.prospect.org/print/V9/38/portes-a.html+Miami+%22exiles%22+%2B+political+%2B+power+%2B+history&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

(This is around 5 years old, but it should still represent the situation.)

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 06:24 AM
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6. No, they just have really big mouths
And a tendency to bomb stuff when they don't get their way.

Do a google search on CANF or Orlando Bosch. There is a lengthy laundry list of terrorist attacks carried out by these folks anytime, anyone even dares to think about being nice to Castro.
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BansheeBarbie Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:11 AM
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9. Miami Cubans Represent Where GOP Wants To Go
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 09:12 AM by BansheeBarbie
It seems the Anti-Castro Cubans in Miami are, to a large extent, saying what the GOP and Corporate Fascists want to hear.

How convenient....

There's so much money to be made for America's Corporate Fascists/Mafia... if they could just get rid of Castro.

After all, why treat another country as an equal when you could treat them like a colony?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:21 AM
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10. The majority of Miamicubans are not extremists
The CANF and Otto Reich types DO NOT represent the majority opinion of Cuba held by Cuban-Americans. It is a big mistake to fall for that propaganda.


The majority of Miami's Cuban-Americans want to reach out for a normalization of US-Cuba relations, but their voices are drowned out by the radicals who scream for war on Castro all of the time. Their voices are drowned out also by so many people mistakenly believing and assuming that Cuban-Americans are all right wingers.


Rather than demonizing the entire Cuban-American community for the transgressions of their radical minority, we need to embrace the Democratic majority by recognizing and listening to their voices.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 06:13 AM
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5. Yeah! That's it!
Let's attack cuba. That will show them. Make damn sure they're free if we have to kill every last one of them, just like we are doing in Iraq! We could probably take them out with the Coast Gaurd.

What a bunch of hate mongering idiots.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 07:45 AM
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7. They are a huge voting bloc. They have had Democrats and repubs
bowing down to their every little wish, whim, demand, and money. They have never assimilated politically after forty plus years.

Your tax dollars go to Washington, Congress decides how its spent, a nice little chunk is given to NED, NED gives a chunk to CANF and other Cuban-American groups, those group lobby congress and put your money in the congressmen and womens pocket - both dem and pub.

They are an immigrant group who have benefited from your largesse and deductions more than any other immigrant group in history through business arrangements, special taxes, start up money.

There are all kinds of laws that apply to exiles from Cuba that do not apply to Haitians, Mexicans, Central American, Middle East, Asia, or ANYWHERE else in the world.

They take their hard earned dollars and send MILLIONS on MILLIONS of it to their relatives in Cuba, but have tantrums when any small or large businesses want to do business with Cuba. They demand the embargo on trade and cultural exchanges.

They insist that the government not allow direct travel between the US and Cuba and don't want the ordinary citizen to go there, but they have full privilege to visit their relatives there. They have put on pressure to the point that some people returning from Cuba through Canada have had a penalty ($76000?) imposed.

They insist that the airwaves to Cuba be bombarded with silly propaganda including TV while the people outside Havana don't have many TVs - Cuban Americans in the US, particularly So Florida make a lot of money generating amd transmitting the propaganda. This propaganda duplicates what is already going to the rest of the neighboring countries. This is a big money leak of your taxes.

They make demands on the newspaper in Miami whose owners go out of their way to keep Cuban-Am happy.

The target of their hate is Castro - they despise Democrats and are ardent Republicans though their lobbyists work the Democrats as easily as they work pubs and the dems allow themselves to be driven in hopes of getting some of their votes. It is sickening and Lieberman is one of their biggest benefactors and supporters.

The reason that they hate dems is because of the Bay of Pigs which they and the CIA or the CIA caused to happen with their screwed up intelligence.

They are a significant factor - they have held the U.S. hostage for 43 years. All walls should have come down with the Berlin Wall, if not before.

They sustain a hate of Castro that knows no bounds. It involves Batista and the knowledge that they could play the victim status forever. Hardworking, intelligent, talented, homeloving - with screwed up politics and too much clout.

The next time you look at congress and the executive branch and all those who preceded the current gang, think of your leaders on both sides who allowed themselves to be held hostage.




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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:49 AM
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8. The S Fla GOP is squirming to get campaign money
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 09:23 AM by Mika
State GOP legislators urge action on Cuba
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/6504940.htm
Besides Rivera and Planas, the letter was signed by State Reps. Marco Rubio, Ralph Arza, Gus Barreiro, Gaston Cantens, Rene Garcia, Marcelo Llorente, Manny Prieguez, Julio Robaina, Ken Sorensen, Juan Zapata and John Quiñones. Most are from South Florida.

Sure.. the GOPers criticizing the GOPers. Yeah right.


Its all stage craft for more dollars.

The letter, expected to be mailed to Washington today, echoes demands expressed recently by other Cuban Americans: revise current migration policy; indict Fidel Castro for the Brothers to the Rescue shoot-down; ensure that TV Martí is seen by people in Cuba; and increase assistance to dissidents on the island.


Aside from the gratuitous request of an indictment of Castro, the rest of the letter is simply a request for more MONEY to the various Miamicubano foundations and boondoggles like Radio & TV Marti.

A lot of this money ends up in the political campaign coffers of the funding requesting legislators, as well a cushy jobs as rewards for GOP duty well done.

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I almost forgot this gem from the article, (keep in mind that Cuban-Americans comprise about 2% of Florida voters, & a significant amount are Dems),
''If this is ignored, abstention or neutrality in federal races becomes a real possibility,'' Rivera said. ``It's not an option for us to support Democrats, but we want our support to mean something.''


Oh, REALLY?? DON'T FALL FOR THE LIES, DUers. The Miamicuban extremists will court any & all who pander to them for campaign money.

Case in point..


CANF founder and Clinton fundraiser Jorge Mas Canosa & Bill Clinton



DUers, please rememberthat these Otto Reich type zealots DO NOT represent the majority view of the Cuban-American community.





edit: Graphs are from www.opensecrets.org
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