Bush Mocks Kerry Over Views on Iraq War

[UpInArms]

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040810_1370.html

PENSACOLA, Fla. Aug. 10, 2004 — President Bush mocked rival John Kerry's stand on the Iraq war Tuesday and rejected the Democrat's timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops as the Republican campaigned with Kerry pal and Vietnam War hero Sen. John McCain.

Seeking to shore up his support in the military rich, GOP-leaning Florida panhandle, Bush assailed Kerry on the dominant issue of the campaign as the incumbent made his 24th trip to the swing state that narrowly ensured his election in 2000.

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In October 2002, Kerry voted to give Bush the military authority to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein a vote he said Monday that he stands by despite the failure to find weapons of mass destruction. But the four-term Massachusetts senator added that Bush used the authority poorly, rushing to war with limited allied support and little thought to an end game.

Kerry's national security adviser, Rand Beers, said Tuesday that "the issue has never been whether we were right to hold Saddam accountable, the issue is that we went to war without our allies, without properly equipping our troops and without a plan to win the peace."

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You'll have to go to the link for the nastiness from the POS that illegally squats at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, I just couldn't bear to even "copy and paste" its words here.

This from the creep that "mocked" Karla Faye Tucker as she sat on Texas's death row.

http://www.ccadp.org/serialpresident.htm

George Bush ordered the killing of the first woman in Texas since the 1860's
After ignoring calls from religious leaders such as Pat Robertson, Bush went ahead with the execution on schedule.

In the summer of '99 after announcing his bid for the presidency, Bush openly mocks Karla's pleas for clemency in an interview he does with Talk magazine.

" `Please,' Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, 'don't kill me,' "

Bush makes fun of Karla Faye Tucker in an interview with CNN's conservative pundit Tucker Carlson for Talk magazine.
" I think it is nothing short of unbelievable that the governor of a major state running for president thought it was acceptable to mock a woman he decided to put to death," - Republican Candidate Gary Bauer said of Bush's lewd comments.

[TEXASYANKEE]

1. I'm shocked!

Shocked that Bush won't take responsibility for the hellhole that Iraq has turned into, shocked I say!

[Born Free]

21. Kerry needs to be more aggressive

Kerry is making a major mistake allowing the bush team to put this stuff out without challenging him. Kerry should use the opportunity to challenge the bush team. Clinton won by fighting back, quick and with no mercy, he took every attack and turned it on the right wing. Kerry needs to run his campaign more like Clinton did his.

[emulatorloo]

25. See post #12

EOM

[poliguru]

2. Shore up the panhandle?!?

Does it really need to be shored up? I mean, panhandle folks would vote fascist if it was available, but Bush is the closest they've got.

So basically he's banning undecideds from his rallies and touring places he doesn't hava shot in hell of losing. I understand he wants to show his best face on TV, but aren't voters in tight states going to start to pick up that Kerry is spending face time with them and Bush is not?

[lancdem]

6. Exactly

The fact Bush is campaigning in heavily Repub areas proves he's giving up on swing voters, leaving them to Kerry.

[goclark]

46. But Bush is getting Media Play with these lies

about Kerry!

I think he needs to bit back with short snips so that the Media may,just may pick up the snips.

[Chico Man]

45. I was recently in Ft Walton Beach

Kerry stickers beat Bush stickers 3-1.

Strange times indeed.

[Zhade]

54. That's my hometown! Surprising.

Glad to hear it, though. I mean, I don't like Kerry, but I HATE b*sh.

[enough]

3. Here, I'll copy and paste 'em for you.

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"Now, almost two years after he voted for the war in Iraq, and almost 220 days after switching positions to declare himself the anti-war candidate, my opponent has found a new nuance," Bush said. "After months of questioning my motives and even my credibility, Sen. Kerry now agrees with me."

Bush added sarcastically that Kerry still had time to change his position: "There are still 84 days left in the campaign."

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[lancdem]

5. Bush is an ass

Kerry does not agree with him. He disagrees vehemently with how Bush conducted the war.

[Zhade]

55. Yeah, but not about GOING to war in the first place.

This is what we anti-war progressives warned would happen - by agreeing that the war (the illegal, immoral, evil fucking war!) was 'necessary', Kerry set himself up for this.

[stepnw1f]

9. Anti-War? Says You?

You got a link?

[emulatorloo]

17. See first line of Original Message for your link. . . .EOM

[SPURGEMAN23]

10. Bush is lying.

Kerry does not agree with him. Same old tricks.

[liveoaktx]

20. What Kerry said yesterday at the Grand Canyon-video clip Lou Dobbs

Kerry Iraq

[SPURGEMAN23]

28. Thanks. I've seen his comments

Bush is lying about Kerry's position.

[nolabels]

33. Thanks, I have seen his lips move too

http://www.yucs.org/~ephraim/bushlip/

[Cha]

35. Rep Bob Menendez of New Jersey set a caller on c-span straight

on this ..this morning. He told the caller and steve the host that
Kerry voted for the authorization but wouldn't have gone in as bush did..there was a Big Difference and Bob explained it very well. You should have heard him.

[Zhade]

56. "AS b*sh did" - there was NO NEED TO INVADE!

I'm sorry, but there's something fundamental being ignored here - there was NO reason to invade, given what we know now (and really knew then, if we're honest about it).

For Kerry to say he'd still go in, knowing there were NO weapons and no threat...that can't be explained away.

[otohara]

4. Why Would Kerry Trust Bush To Do The Right Thing?

has Bush ever done the right thing? A resounding NO comes to my mind.

The pundits, Bush, Rove - all of them are having a hey day with this one. I'm still trying to figure out what Kerry meant - was he saying if he knew then what he knows now Bush lied, he'd still vote for IWR?

[emulatorloo]

8. concept of protecting US, yes/ Bush idiocy in Iraq, no

it is pretty simple.

For non proliferation of WMDs/ against Bush Rush To War

For President Protecting From Imminent Threat/ Against Bush using hyping up faulty intelligence.



http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/10/politics/campaign/10kerry.html?ex=1093148035&ei=1&en=be262e45751d6d66

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"I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," said Mr. Kerry, who has faced criticism throughout his presidential campaign for that October 2002 vote.
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But Mr. Kerry, the Democratic nominee, extended his attack on President Bush's prosecution of the war, saying he had not used the Congressional authority effectively.

"My question to President Bush is, Why did he rush to war without a plan to win the peace?" Mr. Kerry told reporters here after responding to Mr. Bush's request last week for a yes-or-no answer on how he would vote today on the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq.

"Why did he rush to war on faulty intelligence and not do the hard work necessary to give America the truth?" he said. "Why did he mislead America about how he would go to war? Why has he not brought other countries to the table in order to support American troops in the way that we deserve it and relieve a pressure from the American people?"

[Richardo]

16. Kerry's BEST response to the IWR vote...in his own words

From Mother Jones:

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) explained his vote in favor of the Iraq war: "Did I expect George Bush to fuck it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did."

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/07/diddly.html

[Borgnine]

7. That vile sack of shit.

There wouldn't be an Iraq War for Kerry to hold views of in the first place if it wasn't for this nitwit.

[emulatorloo]

11. Thank you for yr reality check!!!!! EOM

[LisaL]

19. YEP

YEP.
Bush had gone to WAR.
He had done it-and it can not be undone.
And what is the point to complaining that Kerry did this or didn't do that?
There is no other choice.
The alternative would be looking at Bush smirk for 4 more years.

[emulatorloo]

12. Clark and Beers Conference Call to CALL BUSH OUT!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x607571

[shawmut]

13. Looking forward to the debates

When Kerry slaps that sack of shit down in front of a large audience.

[hansolsen]

47. If this is the crap Kerry brings to the debate, Shrub will wipe the floor

with him. Kerry's position on Iraq is indefensible: it is all head and no heart,; all logic and no passion, and devoid of soul.

The best thing that could happen to the Dems right now would be a 10 point drop in the polls. Kerry needs to wake up and smell the roses.

[goclark]

50. Shrub is already a mop

Kerry can hold his own.

[hansolsen]

52. I hope you're right, but I wouldn't want to hold Kerry's hand on Iraq

going into a high stakes poker game like the presidential debates. He has set himself up drawing to an inside straight.

[Walt Starr]

14. Bush is treating Kerry in '04 like Gore in '00

The good news is, the Big Lies aren't sticking.

[r_u_stuck2]

15. I am in Pensacola

They really screwed up the town today. People had to take major detours to get to work. They closed down the highway from the Naval Base to the Civic Center.

Yep, there are lots of folks in Pensacola who are for Kerry. We may not carry 50% here but there will not be as many votes for bush as there was before.

I think the only reason he was here was because his support is failing and of course we saw Joe Scarface right up there on stage with him.

[Zhade]

57. My parents live there, so you can count two more Kerry votes.

Or, really, anti-b*sh votes, but it works out the same.

[kskiska]

18. This is all just part of their announcedcampaign tactics to belittle Kerry

and reduce him to a laughingstock, the way they treated Al Gore. I caught part of *'s tirade while channel surfing. Where is the media to report on *'s screaming and, where are the armchair psychiatrists to suggest that maybe he's "unbalanced" or "mentally ill."

[emulatorloo]

24. Why are the republicans so full of hate? Why this Florida Hatefest?

Why must they constantly Bash Kerry at their convention? Why must they attack Kerry personally?

I guess we better not hold our breath waiting for the media to ask those questions.

[LisaL]

27. Because they know negative adds work

Because it has been shown time and time again negative campaign works.
You can't play nice, it's not going to do any good.

[candy331]

59. Yes lizzy, there is a Santa Claus and he knows who has been naughty

or nice and nice just ain't getting no presents.

[G_j]

22. " the issue is that we went to war without our allies,

without properly equipping our troops and without a plan to win the peace." Hey Rand how about Iraq was not a threat?????
:eyes:

statements like this really piss me off. Agressive war is illegal!

[LisaL]

23. YES THE WAR IS ILLEGAL

But who had started it?
Bush did.
And he didn't care to even have a plan on what to do after the war.
The war business is done, it can not be un-done at this point.
But something has to be done in Iraq now or the situation will be completely out of control.

[G_j]

29. actually I think it already is 'out of control'

and yes, the clock cannot be turned back.
Still it pains me that people like Rand Beers consistantly neglect to mention the war was/is illegal.

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Statement by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson
Chief U.S. Prosecutor
at the Nuremberg Tribunals

August 12, 1945
on War Trials Agreement; August 12, 1945

There are some things I would like to say, particularly to the American people, about the agreement we have just signed.
For the first time, four of the most powerful nations have agreed not only upon the principles of liability for war crimes of persecution, but also upon the principle of individual responsibility for the crime of attacking the international peace.

Repeatedly, nations have united in abstract declarations that the launching of aggressive war is illegal. They have condemned it by treaty. But now we have the concrete application of these abstractions in a way which ought to make clear to the world that those who lead their nations into aggressive war face individual accountability for such acts.
<snip>

"We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which
their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the
war, but that they started it. And we must not allow
ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war,
for our position is that no grievances or policies will
justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced
and condemned as an instrument of policy."
<snip>

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson
Chief U.S. Prosecutor
at the Nuremberg Tribunals
August 12, 1945

READ THE ENTIRE STATEMENT HERE:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/jack02.htm

[Emillereid]

31. Thanks for posting this reminder of when America stood

for something more than expediency and opportunism.

[G_j]

30. P.S., Welcome to DU lizzy !

:toast:

[LisaL]

36. Thanks.

I have never supported this stupid war.
But whatever Kerry is saying now is similar to what Gore was saying.
Let's just face it-Bush had gone to war, and there is no way Kerry could un-go to war.
Bush would have gone to war regardless of how Kerry voted on it.
Why be upset at what Kerry says when Bush is the one responsible for this nightmare?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

42. re: "Hey Rand how about Iraq was not a threat?????"

I've got another question for for Rand: "Why'd you go to work for Poppy and Reagan?"

Beers and Morningstar: two advisors that set alarm bells off.

[G_j]

58. I'm glad Berger is gone

there is the silver lining to that case.

[Zhade]

61. Well, shit, look who's advising Kerry on FP!

Beers, Madeline "500k dead Iraqi kids are OK" Albright, Richard "code name Cherokee" Holbrooke, that pro-PNAC PPI founder and traitor Will Marshall, and Jamie "Kerry'd probably've launched a war by now" Rubin.

American imperialism is here to STAY, baby! At least, until the empire falls.

God, it's going to be painful when it does.

[Emillereid]

26. Kerry's 'nuanced' position differences from Bush's are not going to work.

He needs to provide plenty of daylight between his position and Bush's. This me-too positioning re: the Iraq war is a loser -- he's going to lose my vote before it's all said and done! And if he thinks he's going to siphon off conservative votes from Bush, he's nuts. The Iraq war was wrong and a growing majority of Americans agree -- I urge Kerry to take a principled stand against this illegal and immoral war. He can say he was mislead into voting the the war -- most Americans would identify with that -- they too were mislead. But to keep reiterating that he would have voted the same way and gone to war just like Bush regardless of the facts is a fool's strategy. I can tell you from precinct walking (even here in California that is sympathetic with Kerry) that the strategy of "I would have conducted the war BETTER" is going over like a lead balloon! It simply opens him up to this kind of mocking from the Bushits.

[G_j]

32. daylight is right!

we are talking about WAR CRIMES, the more sunlight between Kerry and Bush the better!

[Bush was AWOL]

49. You are wrong about him not picking up conservative votes

I know of a few people that want to vote for him, but are afraid he'll pull the troops out (I know that would be a good thing, but that is not how some people think). I spent nearly an hour convincing a few friends that he would not pull the troops out.

Lets knock Bush out of office and then worry about what he says.

[LisaL]

51. troops

Let's say US does pull the troops out?
What is going to happen in Iraq then?
I don't see the situation there getting any better regardless if US pulls the troops out or not.

[Zhade]

62. "What is going to happen in Iraq then?"

The same thing that will happen when we leave or are driven out.

The puppet government will NEVER be seen as legitimate. EVER. It is foolish to pretend it will, because it'll never happen.

[scarface2004]

34. why doesn t bush just call kerry....

a homo pedophile chronic masturbater jew nigger loving transvestite trailer trash pencil neck librul!!!

[progressivebydesign]

37. Mocking is a tool of the trade for the mean-spirited! Ask Karla Faye..

Bush LOVES to mock people. May I remind everyone of his most INFAMOUS mocking? That was the mocking of Karla Faye Tucker, the woman put to death in Texas. He refused to stay the execution. When asked, on television, what Karla Faye would say to him right now, he mocked, "Please, don't kill me!". As though it was a joke. It's true what that journalist said last election. Gore is not as smart as people assume, but he's a whole lot nicer.. and Bush is not as dumb as people think, but he's much less nice than people think.

Bush is a mean person. I remember reading recently an interview with one of his daughters.. she talked about how Bush makes fun of Laura Bush, and the things she does.. and that Laura doesn't think what she's doing is particularly funny. Oh, and that the daughter accuses Laura of being OCD. Funny family. Laugh a minute.

[jackstraw45]

38. Bush doesn't even see the BLOOD on his hands....

Not to mention images of Iraqi victims FAR TOO GRAPHIC to post here....

[Charlie Brown]

39. I don't understand the logic here

If he says he would not support the war, he's a waffler. If he says he still would support it, he's...still a waffler? I don't recall Kerry ever denouncing the War strongly during the primaries (I wish he had, though). How is this inconsistent?

[Charlie Brown]

40. I had no idea

that Bush had mocked Karla in Talk Magazine. That's simply repulsive. This man is no Christian.

[ItsMyParty]

41. Interesting.Wasting Time/Money on MILITARY Area..............

..do I sense that this time is no usual "slam dunk". Do I sense there are enough military personnel and their families turning against him. You don't waste time on the areas that are in your "back pocket". Why wasn't he doing double time a bit further south where the battle is to be fought?? Can't the Lone Ranger muster the troops any longer??????

[Junkdrawer]

43. "Can you IMAGINE anyone dumb enough to give ME a blank check?"...

"Knowing full well what I would do with it?"

http://www.nirvani.net/misc/$87,000,000,000/dubya.jpg

[lojasmo]

44. Kerry grabbed his ankles on this one

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[are_we_united_yet]

48. Earth to W: You have used up your right to mock anything n/t

[Zhade]

53. Huh. They both wanted war, what's to mock?

Fucking Rand Beers, man...that guy scares me. I mean really, REALLY scares me.

[G_j]

60. me too

Google: "Rand Beers" with "Columbia" & "Fumigation" or "Dynacorp"

[Zhade]

63. Hell, you could mention Clark's Dyncorp ties.

Or his praise for the School of the Americas.

But then, you'd piss off the Clark people here, so...

[G_j]

64. strange

isn't it?
We even find ourselves siding with the CIA when Bush picks on them.
Who would have thunk it?
In truth, I don't think there are many of these people I would like.