Bush Warns of Worsening Violence in Iraq, Afghanistan

[joefree1]

Bush Warns of Worsening Violence in Iraq, Afghanistan
Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:22 AM ET

KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine (Reuters) - President Bush warned on Saturday that deadly guerrilla violence in Iraq and Afghanistan could worsen in the coming weeks as the two countries move toward national elections.
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More than 200 Iraqis have been killed in recent days by bombings and other violence that have cast doubt on plans to hold elections in January.

Doubts also surround elections due Oct. 9 in Afghanistan, where U.S.-backed President Hamid Karzai survived an assassination attempt on Thursday.

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"Never in the history of the United Nations have we faced so many opportunities to create a safer world by building a better world," Bush said in his radio address.
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http://tinyurl.com/3ojjj

Safer World?

[havocmom]

1. Isn't that admitting his policies are failures?

Seems like that's what it means.

[54anickel]

5. Well, he did create those opportunities, didn't he?

Make cluster-fuck of something, then try and look good by assembling the folks to clean up your mess, calling the cluster-fuck an "opportunity". Of course, it's not really "your" mess, as you take no accountability or responsibility, you're simply a victim of circumstance.

Shees, I once had a boss that must have graduated from the same school of thought as Shrub!

[BrotherBuzz]

11. That's the way I interpret it

Who would have dreamed that Bush* could utter the words 'United Nations' and 'safer world' in the same sentence?

I think the time has come for this nation to start using the words we heard back in the sixtes - Credibility Gap!

[demoman123]

30. Oddly, this helps him, by scaring people.

When people are scared, they want an authority figure. And that's how many people see him--although in fact he is a moron and a war criminal.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Did he come out of the merry go round

long enough to get a whiff or reality to then go back to the merry go round?

Safer world... by bombing others and starting ilegal Wars?

[saigon68]

7. Just the usual Propaganda from the BUSH CRIMINALS

And their Corporate Masters.

[demoman123]

31. Right. They want things to get worse in Iraq.

So they can make people afraid to "change horses in midstream."

[AlCzervik]

3. I thought the end of the sentence would read.."If you elect Kerry"

Why is he now stating what we all know already?

[Malva Zebrina]

4. a safer world? and never before has there been opportunities to make it

this guy is insane, delusional and sick and someone ought to insist he be examined for mental illness.

This is insane. Insisting that, with the reports coming out daily over the hundreds that are being killed, we are making a "safer world" is bullshit bloviating and is distinctly grandiose and delusional.

[saigon68]

9. Killing Children for PEACE and DEMOCRACY

Nice ring to that </sarcasm>

[joefree1]

6. 1,028

Forces: U.S. & Coalition/Casualties

There have been 1,163 coalition deaths, 1,028 Americans, 66 Britons, six Bulgarians, one Dane, two Dutch, one Estonian, one Hungarian, 19 Italians, one Latvian, 13 Poles, one Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and eight Ukrainians, in the war in Iraq as of September 17, 2004. (Graphical breakdown of casualties). The list below is the names of the soldiers, Marines, airmen, sailors and Coast Guardsmen whose families have been notified of their deaths by each country's government. At least 7,026 U.S. troops have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon. The Pentagon does not report the number of non-hostile wounded. This list is updated regularly.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

[rumguy]

8. * lives in a fantasy world of spin

He ignores the details and focuses on gauzy, hazy deluded visions....

The man is a truly sick wierdo.

[tlcandie]

10. Ummm okay... will TRY to interpret

<snipped from orginal linked article>
"Never in the history of the United Nations have we faced so many opportunities to create a safer world by building a better world,"
<snip>


UN.. not US(?)..so many opportunities (invasion/coup targets?) to create a safer (facist/totalitarian/dictatorial/nuclear threats?) world by building (empire/expansionism/slavery/corporatism?) world.

You really have to wonder what the code is saying because stand alone it makes no sense to me. :eyes:

[Gyre]

12. Mission accomplished! War is peace.

And half of America is so stupid it can't tell the difference. Those of us who can, are being held hostage without a representative government.

I feel just like I did when I was in the military. My peers are STUPID but they're running the show. Now at least I can speak my mind without threat of court martial! (unless bushco wins of course and declares martial law).

Gyre

[tabasco]

13. Aren't people tired of having their intelligence insulted ?

Every month there's a new reason for the "uptick in violence."

Saddam loyalists
Dead-enders & influx of foreign terrorists.
Democracy is untidy.
Upcoming turnover of "sovereignty" (haha).
Upcoming "elections" (haha).

How many troops and Iraqis will be killed and maimed because of these liars?

[Thurston Howell IV]

29. Apparently not

How can a swing voter still be undecided? What the F are they reading in the newspaper?

[0007]

14. Getting worser here too! 'ya forgot us asshole!

Truck your ugly old lady Laura out so she can get in on this worser opera.

"It's All Over Now Baby Blue"

[nostamj]

15. so, he's moving from nation building to WORLD building?

shouldn't SOMEONE tell him that the entire world HATES him? THE ENTIRE WORLD...

[bluedeminredstate]

16. I think he wants us

to thank him for all those "opportunities."

What a clueless dickmonster.
:grr:

[Gregorian]

17. So, he's finally listening to us. Just delayed by a year or two.

After all, that is what we all said.

Now, get the fuck out of the White House.

[VolcanoJen]

18. Interesting! Did he mention that the insurgents are working for Kerry?

According to Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, the insurgents are conducting their attacks for the sole purpose of influencing the US Election against President Bush!

Armitage believes that the insurgents are obsessed with US issues, when not being blown up, or shot at, or busying themselves in preparation for their children's funerals. I mean, who knew the insurgents were so interested in the lives of Americans half a world away? :eyes:

Insurgents aim to influence U.S. vote, official says (Armitage)

[nyhuskyfan]

19. We HAD a chance to make this a safer world

After 9/11, with almost the entire world on our side, we could have create a world-wide effort to eradicate terrorism. Had we taken care of business in Afghanistan, fought the Al Qaeda forces in Tora Bora, and really got the world community involved in helping to rebuild that nation, we could be standing right now in a world where a modernized Afghanistan would be a symbol of hope. And the United States could truly have been a beacon and a leader in helping to create a safer world.

Instead, people are still getting blown to bits everywhere, we're stuck in a quagmire with no allies left, and we're looting resources away from the countries we've invaded, creating hatred and mistrust in the United States. We've dug ourselves a hole that will take decades to recover from.

[cliss]

20. OK: let's take a look at that sentence,

"Never in the history of the U.N. have we faced so many opportunities to create a safer world by building a better world".

Now I know his main speechwriter is Steven Hadley. He's really a great speechwriter, but this time I think even he went too far.

Notice how the visions are expanding all the time? They're getting grandioser by the minute. Before, it was install democracy in Iraq, next it was encourage freedom in the Middle East. Now: it's the world. Why not go for Freedom in the entire Universe next Saturday. I sense the sweeping, lofty gestures are really part of a crisis looming in the background. BeelzeBush's only claim for these past 4 years has been his "success" in Iraq, and even that is now getting flushed down the toilet.

Observation #1: What does the history of the UN have to do with anything? Why is that a particular milestone? How old is the UN, by the way?

Observation #2: Why are WE facing so many opportunities? Is there something written in the U.N. charter that I don't know about? Like, wherever there is an opportunity, we have to take it?

Observation #3: "create a safer world". And just how do you propose to do that, Mr. Lofty? Have we seen that so far in the Middle East? Or has there been an increase in violence?

Observation #4: The war in Iraq is costing us $4.9 billion dollars per month. It's bankrupting us financially. Now George wants us to go after more "opportunities". How much is that going to cost us?

[peekaloo]

53. remember how he mocked the U.N.? It was in danger of becoming

"an irrelevant debating society".
Or how he didn't need a permission slip in order to "defend" the U.S.A.

Now that his sorry ass needs to be bailed out of HIS cluster fuck it's suddenly a "United Nations" problem.

I hope he gets laughed at on Thursday.

[joanski01]

21. When, oh when, oh when

are we going to be able to get rid of this dumb ignorant fuck?

[henslee]

22. No shit sherlock.

[Red Fox]

25. Now now, he's only 18 months behind with this information

Right?

[KoKo]

23. Ummmmm...didn't we hear this before the "turn over of power" supposedly

to the Iraqi's..

Best defense is a good offense...right.. Gotta give it to these people, they are just amazing. Sling it right back in your face, they do and make it smell like roses...

[cliss]

24. OK: let's take a look at that sentence,

"Never before in the history of the U.N. have we faced so many opportunities to create a safer world by building a better world".

Now I know his main speechwriter is Steven Hadley. He's really a great speechwriter, but his time I think even he went too far.

Notice how the visions are expanding all the time? They're getting grandioser by the minute. Before, it was install democracy n Iraq, next it was encourage freedom in the Middle East. Now: it's the world. Why not go for Freedom in the entire Universe next Saturday. I sense the sweeping, lofty gestures are really part of a huge crisis looming in the background. BeelzeBush's only claim these past 4 years has been his "success" in Iraq, and even that is now getting flushed down the toilet.

Observation #1: What does the history of the UN have to do with anything? Why is that a particular milestone? How old is the UN, by the way?

Observation #2: Why are WE facing so many opportunities? Is there something written in the UN charter that I don't know about? Like, whenever there is an opportunity, we have to take it?

Observation #3: "create a safer world". And just how do you propose to do that, Mr. Lofty? Have we seen that so far in Iraq? Or has there been an increase in violence?

Observation #4: The war in Iraq is costing us $4.9 billion dollars per month. It's bankrupting us financially. Now George wants us to go after more "opportunities". How much is that going to cost us?

:smoke:

[Disturbed]

26. Armitage believes

No reporter asked him why would the Insurgency want Mr. Clueless out of power? He said that he did not say that they were working for Kerry. Are the insurgents hoping Nadar is elected?

[leftchick]

27. "Why not go for Freedom in the entire Universe next Saturday"...

Well he proposed bringing freedom and democracy to Mars a while back didn't he? WTF ever happened with that brilliant idea?

[Thurston Howell IV]

so many "opportunities" to create a safer world

"Opportunities" is a corporate-speak euphemism for problems and disasters. So he's right on that count.

[IndianaGreen]

28. We don't need Bush to state the obvious

We lost the war in Iraq, and we are losing in Afghanistan. The American press is still behind the curve when compared to the British press.

Karzai is the Mayor of Kabul, and everyone wants Allawi's head on a platter.

[MasonJar]

32. Didn't he say just two or three days ago that Iraq was improving?

[Jacobin]

42. I don't think anyone was buying into that one

So he changed tack and "warned" of coming violence....the great ProphetBush.

Lo and behold, it will come true and he will be seen by his peon clammering dingbat supporters as haveing foretold events.

[Just Me]

33. After all, "safety" and "freedom" can only be delivered through war.

Rape the earth,...kill off all adversaries,...and the privileged prosper,...

That would be "The World According to Bush",...just another dictator.

[illiteratepresident]

34. 9/11 - Gov't Covering Up FACTS

April 8, 2004 - Condoleeza Rice before the 9/11 commission:
KEAN: I've got a question now I'd like to ask you. It was given to me by a number of members of the families.

Did you ever see or hear from the FBI, from the CIA, from any other intelligence agency, any memos or discussions or anything else between the time you got into office and 9/11 that talked about using planes as bombs?

RICE: Let me address this question because it has been on the table.

I think that concern about what I might have known or we might have known was provoked by some statements that I made in a press conference. I was in a press conference to try and describe the August 6th memo, which I've talked about here in my opening remarks and which I talked about with you in the private session.

And I said, at one point, that this was a historical memo, that it was -- it was not based on new threat information. And I said, "No one could have imagined them taking a plane, slamming it into the Pentagon' about the use of airplanes as weapons actually was never briefed to us.

I cannot tell you that there might not have been a report here or a report there that reached somebody in our midst.
http://www.bushcountry.org/news/apr_news_pages/n_040904_transcript_condeleeza_ri ce.htm
_______________________

Washington, D.C., Nov. 3, 2000 — The fire and smoke from the downed passenger aircraft billows from the Pentagon courtyard. Defense Protective Services Police seal the crash sight. Army medics, nurses and doctors scramble to organize aid. An Arlington Fire Department chief dispatches his equipment to the affected areas.

Don Abbott, of Command Emergency Response Training, walks over to the Pentagon and extinguishes the flames. The Pentagon was a model and the "plane crash" was a simulated one.
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html


"An incredible coincidence..."

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day.
http://www.nlsi.net/hs-alc-info.htm
Founded in 1997, the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute is a training and technology center serving public safety and private security professionals, citizens, and various segments of government, business and industry.

"It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-08-22-sept-11-plane-drill-_x.htm
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/2002-08-22/usw_plane.asp

Likewise, the major newsmedia virtually never mentioned this info. Yet, here it is, on UNIMPEACHABLE sites.

Are we to think war games taking place on 9/11 are somehow irrelevant to such an extent that that the 9/11 commission never even mentioned them? National Reconnaissance Office - mentioned on pages 103, 420, 425, 426, NONE haveing to do with planned plane crash by the CIA on 9/11.

Sorry, but that is a government cover-up, plain and simple. There is no other explanation. If you have one, I'd LOVE to hear it.

[illiteratepresident]

35. 9/11 In Plane Sight

"Shocking - Thought provoking - Raises serious questions about the government's honesty in conducting the 9-11 investigation"

"Absolutely awesome. This is the one September 11 video that everyone should see."


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6847.htm

[illiteratepresident]

36. What made them fall?

What made them fall?


"We have numerous people covered in dust from the secondary explosion..."

http://www.nbvfd3.org/audio/wtc03.mp3





Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.

A handful of Jersey City firemen, with a civilian dispatcher, managed to survive, grouping near the still-standing north tower.

Official: Deputy one from Battalion 3, that's affirmative. I have all JCFD personnel on location.
Dispatcher: Received.
Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.
Dispatcher: Dispatch. Battalion 3.
Official: Battalion 3. I am, I am Greg. North tower has collapsed.
Dispatcher: Battalion 3, all members accounted for?

All, but for Joseph Lovero, his body was found near that of his chief.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html



http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/newsnight/attack22.ram

[illiteratepresident]

37. the info people forget and fail to take note of

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html

Dozens of hot spots were mapped. The hottest spots at the surface of the rubble, where abundant oxygen was available, showed a temperature of 1377° F (747° C). This is, however, less than half as hot at the molten steel in the basement.

Construction steel has an extremely high melting point of about 2,800° Fahrenheit (1535° Celsius). Kerosene-based jet fuel, paper, or the other combustibles normally found in the towers, cannot generate this much heat, especially in an oxygen-poor environment like a deep basement.

It should be noted that one of the few things capable of producing such extreme temperatures in these conditions is thermite, a chemical compound used in demolition explosives.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Damage in the lobby, 78 floors below where the plane just struck: http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/underground/lobby.mpg

Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the south tower:

The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway


Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby:

We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped.


Ling Young was in her 78th floor office:

Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes...

NIST Tests Provide Fire Resistance Data on
World Trade Center Floor Systems

The Commerce Department’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) recently reported that results from a series of four fire resistance tests conducted in August 2004 on composite concrete-steel trussed floor systems typical of those used in the World Trade Center (WTC) towers showed that the test structures were able to withstand standard fire conditions for between 45 minutes and two hours. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/ULTestResults.pdf

Construction worker Phillip Morelli describes being thrown to the ground by two explosions while in the fourth subbasement of the North Tower. The first, which threw him to the ground and seemed to coincide with the plane crash, was followed by a larger blast that again threw him to the ground and this time blew out walls. He then made his way to the South Tower and was in the subbasement there when the second plane hit, again associated with a powerful underground blast. This is one of a series of interviews with WTC survivors done by NY1 News: http://ny1.com/pages/RRR/911special_survivors.html

Bush reaction when hearing about accusations of preknowledge in the 9/11 attacks
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/6/9_11laugh.mpg

[illiteratepresident]

38. Bush admits seeing the first plane hit the World Trade Center

Here is The One you simply cannot answer…
GWBush - "I saw the first plane crash on TV"
http://storage.testpad.net/freedomfiles.org/bush_saw_first_plane_hit_tower.rm.ram

There was ONE known video http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1535000/video/_1538186_wtc_firstcrash_vi.ram made of the first plane hitting the WTC, and it was by a group of European documentarians working on a flick about NYC firemen. It was not on live TV for the prez out in the hallway. Either he is a Dumbass or he is a LIAR. You decide.

[illiteratepresident]

41. Bush hides behind 'classification'

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040914-042952-9828r.htm

[Just Me]

45. I appreciate your passion,...

,...I hope you are connecting with your local committees and active groups.

We need your presence, perseverance and passion,...on the ground.

There are puh-lenty of people out there,...who thirst for progressive conversations. You can help them.

[illiteratepresident]

49. DU censors me

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=837122&mesg_id=837619&page=

See this thread befoer moderators remove the FACTS from credible sources

[illiteratepresident]

50. View This Thread before your 'progressive' moderators DELTE it!

DU censors me: see the deleted messages that are those in this same thread.

WHY do DU mods censor these posts from credible news sites?

WHY???

[number6]

39. mission accomplished (not)

Safer World?
funny, I don't feel safer ......

[mconvente]

40. yeah, no kidding violence is increasing

all the people of the world hate bush cept dumbass repugs



Caption for this photo:

An Iraqi man carries a wounded boy in a hospital in Fallujah following a US air strike. The US military said it conducted a "successful precision strike" on a meeting of about 10 "terrorists" working for Jordanian-born militant Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi.(AFP/Fares Dlimi)

Yeah, injured kids a success... Fucking bastard repugs.

[Just Me]

48. I vote for the children,...as a "passionate compassionate".

I prioritize the interests of lives born,...rather than argue over what is "life".

I figure,...if we are so desperate as to deny our failures in taking care of ourselves and make shit up to justify killing those who were given NO CHOICE,...what right do any of us have to assert some superior moral position about a life we cannot predict. The "pro-life" position is EMPTY,...having NO consistency in depth or breadth.

If ya' want "black or white",...better be willing to stand in the shoes of those you condemn,...'cause,...you WILL get what you give,...come hither or thither.

"CHRISTIAN" my ass!!!! Incapable in coping with "humility" and "humanity" would be my guess: demonstrating how poop (human weakness) initially floats to the top,...but sinks to that which we run to wash off,...between our toes.

ON EDIT: ONLY FOOLS OR IDIOTS BELIEVE IN THEIR OWN BENEVOLENCE!!!!

[hatrack]

43. Gosh, did the numb dumb FUCK finally connect his satellite dish?

Where has he BEEN for the last six months? Oh, yeah, I forgot, he's been out fighting hard against the "soft bigotry of low expectations" and pimping his other six phrases.

[Emillereid]

44. This guy is certifiable! Whatever happened yesterday's pronouncement of

Iraq's wonder march to freedom?

[Flammable Materials]

46. "Let OB/GYNs practice their love! I'm the peace president! Goin' to Mars!"

Christ.

I've never heard of a more life-threatening cakewalk in my entire life.

[Jacobin]

47. Watching this country lurch so far to the right

is dumbfounding.

If it weren't so serious, it would be a farce not worth watching.

[Disturbed]

52. Increased Violence!

Bomb the Iraqis into submission. This is the new plan.

[NNN0LHI]

51. What happened to the dancing in the streets he talked about last year?

What happened to mission accomplished? Was he lying to us all then or is he lying to us all now?

Don