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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:28 AM
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Car Bomb Kills Top Hamas Leader in Syria
DAMASCUS, Syria - A car bomb killed a leader of the Palestinian militant group Hamas in Damascus on Sunday, and Israel claimed responsibility.

Police at the scene were seen retrieving pieces of the body of Izz Eldine Subhi Sheik Khalil. His death was also reported on the official Hamas Web site and by Israeli security sources.

Earlier, the local Palestinian media center reported that Khalil, 42, had been wounded and rushed to a hospital.

The bomb went off at 10:45 a.m. in the al-Zahraa district of the Syrian capital, the center told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. A member of the Hamas political bureau, Mohammed Nazzal, told the AP in Cairo that a bomb had been planted in Khalil's car and it exploded as he tried to start it.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040926/ap_on_re_mi_ea/syria_palestinians&cid=540&ncid=716
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:36 AM
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1. Al Capone used car bombs to kill his enemies -- as did his Mafia successor
successors. Nice to see Israel using Capone's Chicago gangland tactics -- on people who only want to keep their own land. They truly have no shame.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:41 AM
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2. why is it okay for israel to use car bombs, but not okay for Palestein?
I just don't understand the double standard. :crazy:

The israelies car bombed someone. When others do that, it's called terrorism. What's this called? Selective assassination?

Israel is a rouge nation, and it should be treated as such, IMO.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:45 AM
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3. We bomb Osama vs, Osama bombs NYC WTC - I seem to see a difference
At least IMHO.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:52 AM
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4. I guess I don't. Violence is violence, no matter who sanctions it
It arguable that the war between Judeochristians vs Muslim zealots has been ongoing for hundreds of years...

Who is right?

Neither.

No zealot, no fanatic is ever correct. That's why they're called fanatics.

It was wrong of whoever it was that attacked the WTC to do so, just like it was wrong for us to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, just like it was wrong for the Israelis to do this, and just like it has been wrong for the Islamic terrorists to do what they do.

Violence is the key. Violence begats violence, and leads to no constructive solutions to what amounts to philosophical and monetary differences. Thousands of innocents on both sides by because of this disagreement.

Is that right?

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:08 AM
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7. Violence is violence - but school bullies do not stop until confronted
Some folks are just not nice.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:49 AM
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16. So the Palestinians have learned.
And learned. And learned. Since about 1900. Ah well, they are running out of land for Israel to take, anyway. In a few decades it will be all gone, and then we can put this behind us and move on from this unfortunate period of history.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:35 AM
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23. Well done .... it indeed does depend on point of view - but I am
old so I must be right!

:toast:

:-)
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:43 AM
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14. they all suck
my god is better, we were here first---crying for this bastard who headed an orginization that kills innocent people--not.. yes they all suck
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 06:56 AM
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5. ah, not Mishaal
so the header of "top leader" is inaccurate.

arbitrary escalation on the part of the Zionist command responsible for the move, one that will produce a multi-faceted response. I guess things have been a little too quiet lately.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:21 AM
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10. Khaled Mishaal is in Cairo today demanding the right to rule Gaza

In the Arab press, with inter-Palestinian talks ruled out by Khaled, we had Egyptian political analysts who "opined that the objective behind Mishaal’s visit to Cairo was to discuss the demands of Hamas and other Palestinian factions for a vital participation in power and running the Gaza Strip in case the Zionist pullout from the Strip and some enclaves of the West Bank ever took place. Those analysts were of the idea that the Palestinian resistance, which played a major part in expelling the Zionist troops from the Gaza Strip, had the right to share power in the Palestinian Authority at all levels."

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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:39 AM
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13. still in Cairo, ok..
read of that a few days ago, didn't know he was still there (not following things too terribly closely). That might help to explain why he wasn't killed by any carbombs in Dimask..

They already tried to kill him once:--Mossad spies sprayed chemical poisons on him in Amman about 7yrs ago, real messy affair.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:00 AM
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6. What a horrible loss......lol
Izz was a leader of a murderous terrorist organization and now
"police at the scene were seen retrieving pieces of the body of Izz Eldine Subhi Sheik Khalil".

Being a terrorist doesnt appear to be a good career move.

Bye Izz.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:12 AM
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22. The loss is that a nation state uses undeniable terrorist tactics
The concept of "moral authority", or even any pretense of it, has become extinct.
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snoogins Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:08 AM
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8. good nt
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:16 AM
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9. Wha ???
So you don't like murderous terrorist pond scum that indiscriminately

murder innocent men, women AND CHILDREN in their stated goal to

wipe an entire country off the face of the earth??

Boy.....are you out of touch with reality.




eosarcasm.

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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:24 AM
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11. So if Syria blew up a car bomb...
in Israel targeting a group of right-wing settler extremists, would that be justified?

What if it targeted Ariel Sharon?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:31 AM
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12. Speaking of targeting Sharon....
Graffiti with Sharon as target drawn on major Jerusalem intersection

Large inscription with target in its center shows arrows pointing in direction of houses of PM, Katzav and Netanyahu, who live nearby.



http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=11172

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"A large inscription with a target in its center indicating possible incitement against Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, President Moshe Katzav and Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was drawn during Yom Kippur on a major intersection in Jerusalem.

The graffiti, which shows arrows pointing in the direction of the houses of the three, who live nearby, with an image of a suicide bomber in the center of the target, was drawn on the corner of Aza and Metudela Streets."

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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 07:44 AM
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15. My sympathies to you over the death of Izz-y....
You seem very upset over his long overdue ..err.. untimely demise.

BTW...excellent analogy comparing the murder of a leader of a TERRORIST organization and the murder of an elected head of democratic country......insightfull.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 08:26 AM
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17. aroused, as usual..
I take it?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 08:43 AM
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18. So mass murder when committed by an elected leader...
is somehow better than mass murder by an unelected leader?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 09:07 AM
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19. Really ?? I'm fascinated.....
First of all I don't agree with your definition of mass murder so you have asked an illogical question - Sort of like GWB's debate tactics.

But then you always seem to have difficulty separating HAMAS , IJ and all the other terrorstinian groups and those defending against those TERRORIST groups.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 09:57 AM
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20. So because you don't agree with my defintion...
I am asking an illogical question?

Do you even know my definition?

As for illogic, moving from a subjective statement about your views ("I don't agree with your definition") to an objective statement about reality ("so you have asked an illogical question") is a logical fallacy.

Mass murder is the killing of large numbers of innocents deliberately. Can you agree with that definition, or is it necessary to add in a clause that the term only applies when done to official enemies of the US or Israel? Can you actually answer the question?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 10:08 AM
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21. Really ?
I agree with your definition of mass murder - now tell me how many is a large number? 6,000,000 is a large number we can agree on, but tell me what your limit is??

Or does one dead jew killing terrorist require a requiem ?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-04 11:10 AM
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24. 100+...
Hamas qualifies, as does Sharon.

So, again, does being elected nullify mass murder?
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