New AP Poll: Kerry 49% Bush 46% LV

[Thrill]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041021/ap_on_el_pr/president_ap_poll&cid=694&ncid=1963&sid=96378798

Bush Approval 47%

[swag]

1. Fuckin' A, there's that Bush 46 number again.

I think that may be his magic number.

[progressiveBadger]

2. Is it possible....

that Bush could get only 46% of the vote and still win the electoral college? That would be total shit.

[flowomo]

10. sure is

[ochazuke]

17. I wouldn't worry about that

Kerry already leads in the battleground states, so if Bush gets 46% of the popular vote, the electoral college would be something like well over 300 electoral votes for Kerry, close to 400 maybe.

[zbdent]

11. Let's hope that number also reflects

the percentage of the popular vote and the electoral vote that Bush gets (as a maximum, I mean).

[Laelth]

3. WOOOOOHOOOO!

Usually I try to ignore polls but ...

:headbang:

-Laelth

[NOWMDNOGWB]

4. CANT BE

Hardball last night told me its too late for kerry to catch up..how can this be?

[dirtyduck]

8. that's very odd...

i never would imagine a reputable show like hardball not telling the truth?? strange.

[cubsfan forever]

21. I assume you meant that tongue in cheek

Perhaps reply #4 didn't get the humor. And I suggest this person isn't what he/she seems. Chris Matthews is a bumbling, shouting little cretin, and Hardball is a joke.

Professor 2

[NOWMDNOGWB]

24. wasn't serious

I'd like to see all these people like Scarborough, Hannity, all of them get paid back big time after the election..I FOR ONE WONT FORGET

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

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[JohnnyCougar]

27. Welcome all newbies!!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Just Me]

88. I second that welcome!!!

:hi:

[Bandit]

29. Calm down a bit. People do a lot of razzing around here

You have to have a thick skin around here and just hang tough. Sometimes it helps to use the sarcasm thingy though. Welcome by the way and I don't doubt your politics. I thought it was fairly obvious but sometimes things go right over the head.

[NOWMDNOGWB]

32. Thanks

[maxrandb]

28. Even Worse. Did you see After Hours?

You had Ron Reagan, some wing-nut obscure actor. They were questioning and getting comment from 2 republicans. That's it! No Dems could be found I'm sure.

Good thing is that there were probably as many people watching it as were watching the Dennis Miller show.

effing whores

[Lindacooks]

43. Ron Reagan, Jr. is a Democrat

and he spoke at the Democratic National Convention this year in support of stem cell research.

I do agree with you that Hardball, or Dirtball, as I call it, is unbalanced and Tweety is a wingnut whore.

[tblue37]

54. No he isn't.

He is registered as an independent. But he is very much ABB, and he did speak at the Dem convention.

[Wat_Tyler]

71. Trust me, Ron's a pretty seriously liberal guy.

[maxrandb]

68. I was not very specific

What I meant was that you had Ron Reagan Jr, and Ron Silver (wingnut). The two people they had on their panel were Kudlow (FAUX Whore) and someone from the repuke party.

There was no one but Ron Reagan to dispute the talking points. Ron Reagan is good, but when it's stacked 3 to 1 against it is not very fair and ballanced.

[Aawulf]

35. Mathews is clearly for Kerry. Easy on the allies. nt

[CAcyclist]

52. Not in a million years

Matthews is so not on our side

[Wat_Tyler]

72. No. Matthews is on the side of his next bonus check.

[CAcyclist]

50. I don't get it

How can you read #4 and #8 and not get their intent? They were both being sarcastic.

There's no call for your statement. Try being a little slower on the trigger.

#4, #8, as a newbie myself, welcome to the DU board. Most people here get and enjoy satiric comments from what I've seen so far.

[LiberalFighter]

56. I think it should be Matthews tongue in someone elses cheek

Which would explain why his mouth is so dirty

[kerry2win]

69. NOWMDNOGWB

its me different site,I should of said the people around Matthews were implying this.I'll try not to be so quick on the trigger when I'm referred to as a puke.

[kerry2win]

70. NOWMDNOGWB

Its me, sorry for the quick trigger finger yesterday.

[Steelangel]

22. Hardball is hardcore republican agent..

of course they will rant nonsense about these stats.

[cubsfan forever]

38. I see what you mean now

Didn't mean to impugn you or your motives, but in this forum it is sometimes good to check things out a little bit. Sorry for the misunderstanding. We're all in this together.

Professor 2

[kerry2win]

66. thanks your right

NOWMDWOGWB from home computer

[Fed Up]

5. Bush's glass ceiling is 46%. Nothing can break on through to the other s

side.

A toast!

[Robert Oak]

6. YIPPIE!!!!!!!!

Now watch CNN not even mention this.

[cspiguy]

15. Because CNN has it's own poll showing * ahead by 4

AP iPsos is one of the only polls to show a continuous Kerry lead over the past month. What do they know that gallup/cnn/zogby don't?

[jayfish]

31. Check It Out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1130887

Jay

[dirtyduck]

7. YES!!

[papau]

9. Kerry remains +18 as to job creation

Oct. 18-20 survey of 976 likely voters (moe 3%), with LV's as likely to back Democrats for Congress as Republicans, with a 47-46 split favoring Democrats. And those that have or plan to vote early were just as likely to back Kerry as Bush, and with Bush job approval at 47% - same as after the first debate.

Terror is all Bush has going for him (Bush at 51% approval handling of foreign policy and the war on terror - and up by 7% on Kerry re protecting the country better than Kerry - a no change from early this month).

Kerry remains +18 as to job creation.

So why is Kerry talking about war?

:-)

[ozone_man]

12. It's always the economy.

In the time remaining Kerry should try to change the debate to the economy. That's what really counts. He can't out Bush on the Iraq war, but on the economy he sure can.

[Robert Oak]

13. He's talking about the war/terror to convince voters

the main reason people are boting for Bush is they believe this
is the overriding issue, terrorism.

if Kerry can convince them that bush is an idiot on terror and he's much
more on it, they can potentially swing. they are very unhappy w/ *
on everything else.

[AlCzervik]

16. Wow, Kerry closed the TERRAH! gap big time

the article say Bush's advantage earlier in the month on the same question had him at a 23% advantage.

[dhinojosa]

14. Cell Phones, New Registrations, Hispanics make poll accuracy difficult

I think Bush is going to be hurting on election night. Polling groups use land-lines, millions of newly registered voters have signed up in the last month, and many of those are hispanic. Me being hispanic and knowing my race, I believe they will tilt to Kerry.

You just need to make sure that you get your friends and family to the polls!

[libertad]

79. It depends on what type of "hispanic", Cubans are usually Rs.

[Mother Jones]

18. Call me crazy but...

I truly believe the 10% increase in registration is nearly all dems. I really don't believe the election will be as close as to require the Supreme Court again.

Ok, let me preface this by stating I'm not exactly a fan of Oprah, but...

She sure has found her political voice at the right time. I do believe she will have motivated women to come out this time. I also feel Moore has done much to motivate slackers & kids out to the polls.

But it is true, however, that these folks need to get themselves to the polls!

[llmart]

19. I don't follow Oprah.....

just what has she been doing/saying?

[Lilli]

23. Shes done a big get out and vote push on her show

There are vids and a message board at www.oprah.com

[GOTV]

81. I don't think you're crazy but I would say

> But it is true, however, that these folks
> need to get themselves to the polls!

*WE* need to get these people to the polls. Don't wait to find out if they will get themselves to the polls. This election is DIY.

The reason so many people have registered is that WE made it impossible to miss an opportunity to register. We were at the clubs, the grocery stores, the festivals and the concerts asking people to register. Unfortunately we can't do the same thing with the ballots. These new registrants will have to go out of their way to vote. Will they? I don't know. Most of them didn't go out of their way to register.

Bottom line: if we're not talking to real people, on the phone, in the home, or in the streets - if they're not hearing our voice or seeing our faces, we're letting the election slip. If we want it, we need to tighten our grip.

[llmart]

20. I heard his approval was in low 40's.

n/t

[Chicago Democrat]

26. That's really amazing! and really good news, Kerry has the MO!

Happy day!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

30. 47 is his ceiling

Kerry gets 50.

[Doosh]

33. woohoo! great news!

:)

[Moderator]

34. Kick

:kick:

[goforit]

36. Dig deeper all Kerrians!!!!..........Never stop!!!

[cubsfan forever]

37. I don't know how to start a thread, and maybe it has

already been started, but Buzzflash has a link showing Nader is OFF the Ohio ballot.

Professor 2



http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/10/ale04073.html

[GOTV]

75. It's true but

an anti gay marriage amendment IS on the ballot.

That will bring out plenty of people who are not strong Bush people but are strongly anti-gay. While they're out "protecting marriage" they'll vote Bush.

[cubsfan forever]

91. Well, (8 posts), you at first seem to make sense

but upon further review: People who come out for the anti-gay amendment are already going to be voting Baby Bush, and they are anything but (sic) weak Bunnypants supporters. It's like saying an NRA-type is a weak Bunker Boy supporter, but will vote only because a gun issue is on the ballot. Does that compute? Of course not. You kind of messed up your whole argument there, didn't you?

Professor 2

[GOTV]

93. Think it through...

... if you can.

People who come out for the anti-gay amendment may NOT have come out otherwise. There may be people who are not impressed by the Bush and would have stayed home EXCEPT they have a chance to stick it to the homosexuals.

And now that Ohio has given them a chance to attack homosexuals who might they come out to vote for?

Same with your hypothetical gun argument. People can be unimpressed with Bush but come to defeat an anti-Gun amendment. While they're out they will vote for the least repulsive candidate.

It's not an uncommon political strategy.

It does compute. Perhaps you've not paid attention to enough elections.

[cubsfan forever]

95. Oh dear, "think it through if I can?"

I'll say this again, slowly so you can understand the small words: People who are anti-gay are NOT people who are "soft" Bush supporters. They would have come out to vote for him regardless.
I see you are now up to 10 posts. Who else was graced with your presence? I have seen more elections than you have posts, my friend. Back to Freeperland for you. I think things through very well, thank you.

Professor 2
(not just a nickname)

[Aawulf]

39. Post/ABC Poll has Bush 51 to Kerry 45 :(

Post/ABC Poll has Bush 51 to Kerry 45 :(

I am deeply worried that Kerry's campaign is falling apart.

[cubsfan forever]

40. ABC says it all

They are almost as right-wing in their "polling" as Gallup.
Maybe Baby Bush's campaign is falling apart, but not Kerry. Nader is off the ballot in Ohio. Remember: Bush CANNOT win (legally) without Ohio. And Kerry has been slowly increasing his lead there.

Professor 2

[DuaneBidoux]

44. Bush can win without Ohio

It's just one hell of a lot harder to do.

[cubsfan forever]

47. As in impossible

Unless they steal enough other states.

Professor 2

[Aawulf]

63. The Washington Post and ABC are considered right wing? nt

[cubsfan forever]

64. Yes, little freeper Right Wing!

What, you forgot your frown face this time?

Professor 2

[The_Casual_Observer]

41. I am deeply worried that you will ever post here again.

:+

[DuaneBidoux]

46. Okay, I'm a newbie, but is this kind of what they mean by a freeper

inflitration? Someone with 5 posts who is "deeply worried" and has bothered to place a frowning icon on his right wing poll (ABC, remember part of Disney, wouldn't handle F 911).

[The_Casual_Observer]

48. Well, a crappy post that suggests the doom of Kerry based on

some bogus off-the-trend poll suggests this.

[Auntie Bush]

89. Sniff Sniff!

[CookieD]

49. Jeepers creepers ...

How can we get rid of these Freepers? ;-)

[jmowreader]

58. At midnight on November 2, they will all explode

When Kerry walks away from his acceptance speech with 280 EV and the polls still open on the west coast, you will hear this Stalingrad rumble caused by all the detonating freepers.

It's only a couple weeks away. Listen for it.

[UCLA Dem]

61. and how beautiful it will be!

[CAcyclist]

51. Whatever

[Divine Discontent]

53. Welcome to DU, now get the heck out

LOL, just kidding, buttt, anyone that comes to a story topic that shows the AP is showing Kerry gaining ground (and with the general feeling that he's doing great) and shows a different poll in their post's subject, and says they feel the Kerry campaign is losing, and says NOTHING ELSE, is not too positive! Don't believe everything you read from these biased polls. I'm all about Zogby. Go to freerepublic and drink the kool-aid if you can't feel the momentum, or remain very optimistic with us!

[cosmicone]

55. Yes -- you are right !!

Bush can win without Ohio if he wins California or New York. </sarcasm>

Bush can also win without Ohio if pigs start flying out of Cheney's ass.

[UCLA Dem]

60. what are you talking about?? He's doing great.

ABC's a bunch of repukes anyway! They were the only ones to show the debates as a tie when everyone else showed a win.

[LynnTheDem]

65. ROTFL!!!

You stay "deeply worried". The rest of us are members of the reality-based community. bushCartel are going DOWN, baby. :)

[Wat_Tyler]

73. No, you aren't.

[Robeson]

92. Does DU have its Freeper Filter up and running yet!

[warrens]

42. Smirk is going down

If it weren't for friggin Massabama and Utah, he'd be looking at a total wipeout. I can only think that half this country is mentally ill; he could kick in their door at night, rape their infant daughters, burn their houses down, laugh in their faces and they would still vote for the psychopath.

Just on NewsRadio here, a story about college students, heavily pro-Kerry, are up 25% in registration from last time and HIGHLY MOTIVATED. Kerry has a 53-39 edge in this category.

The Republicans up here in the midwest are claiming they are going to double their share of the African-American vote this year. Heh, that might get them an additional 12 votes. From what I'm seeing, except for the gung-ho military families, no Black person is planning to vote for the thugs.

[Tight_rope]

45. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Kick ASS Kerry!

[BadMatt22]

57. Ask me 2 months ago...

...and I was a nervous wreck inside, contemplating a Bush MANDATE. Wow, that is seriously a scary thought.
Today, the tide has turned. As we all do, I keep my ear to the ground, listen to the chatter at the office, at school, etc. Kerry looks really good right now. Just a gut feeling. Is it just me?

[UCLA Dem]

62. we're with ya! Kerry in a land slide!!!

[UCLA Dem]

59. I just wish the headline actually reflected the content of the story.

The headline says the prez race is a dead heat!!! But when * is up 1 friggin' point then he has the lead.

Check it out:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&ncid=584&e=3&u=/nm/20041021/pl_nm/campaign_poll_thursday_dc

[righteous1]

67. Polls

Unfortunately in the last month and a half there have only been four polls that have had JFK with a lead and AP has been 2 of them

[Wat_Tyler]

74. Hmm. I am suspicious of your intentions.

[righteous1]

76. Intentions?

I am stating a fact that concerns me a little, what in the world does that have to do with my intentions?

[Wat_Tyler]

78. What makes me suspicious is that you have 15 posts

and at least two of those few posts seem to be an attempt to sow doubt about Kerry's chances.

[righteous1]

80. upbeat

I am relatively new here (couple weeks) and if i was spewing propaganda i would be the first to agree with you. However most of my posts have been upbeat. Now are you telling me that a person stating one worrisome fact automatically casts suspician about being some sort of right wing plant sent to create discord and depression. That my friend is paranoid and exclusive

[Wat_Tyler]

82. We'll see. If you're here in December, then you're right.

There's already been at least half a dozen disruptors this morning. Maybe you are one, maybe you aren't. Time will tell.

[Iceburg]

77. "Women favor Kerry over Bush by 15 percentage points"

More women vote than men ... game over.

[nolabels]

87. Inquisitive people prefer Kerry

If you want to get people on your side do you call them stupid? I sometimes wonder about that question. Even with stupid being such a passe word since the dunce was appointed.

I may not be the brightest person, but dang if your prestigious organization why would you go calling out people like this, losing the veneer of culture that puts distance between you and the people your are using this pejorative on?

Stupid people love Bush
New study shows correlation between decline of IQ and rise of GOP

"Stupid people love Bush" new study proves According to the prestigious Southern California think tank, The Gluton Group, stupid people prefer President George W Bush over Senator John Kerry by a 4-to-1 margin. As Chief Resident Dr. Louis Friend characterized the results of the research, "the less intelligent you are, the more you like Bush." This landmark study, conducted over a 5 month period, involved 2400 likely voters bridging all economic stratas in the 17 states generally considered up for grabs on November 2nd. Participants were tested for intelligence, then asked to fill out a 12 page series of questions involving the Presidential candidates with results released earlier this week.

The consensus: the higher the IQ, the less people trust Bush and respect the job his administration has done. The lower the IQ, the more people admire his steadfastness. "It was pretty much a slam dunk. There's no nice way to say this. Dumb people like him. They think his unwavering nature is a positive personality trait. They even venerate him for never admitting mistakes, even when he's wrong. On the other hand, smart people think he's a lying bully. I mean, c'mon, you have a deserter accusing a decorated veteran of treason. Who's going to buy that besides stupid people?"
(snip)
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17627

[despairing optimist]

94. Here are some Zombies for *

"You Earthlings are stupid people. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid"--from Ed Wood's "Plan 9 From Outer Space"

[GOPBasher]

83. WooHooooooo!

[semillama]

84. Ohio poll

I was a little groggy this morning, but I swore I saw on the news a poll showing an Ohio lead to Kerry. Was I still dreaming?

I also note that my MyYahoo! page only reports polls that Bush leads - fuckers!

[GOTV]

85. Kerry ahead in Ohio

I live in Ohio and so I've been watching. The majority of recent polls have Kerry ahead here. But we're the swingingest of the swing states. It seems each week the poll leader changes.

Next week it'll be Bush ahead but that means the week that counts will be Kerry. (please please please)

Not that there's not a whole lot of work to do to make sure that happens.

[GOPBasher]

86. Welcome to DU GOTV!

Hello! :hi:

[GOTV]

90. Thanks...

... Been a lurker most of the summer.