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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 10:51 PM
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Push Button Bugle to Play Taps at Military Funerals
"Chronically short of musicians for military funerals, the Pentagon has approved the use of a push-button bugle that plays taps by itself as the operator holds it to his lips.

Only some 500 buglers are on active duty on any one day, but about 1,800 people with military service die across the country each day and are eligible for honors ceremonies, Air Force Lt. Col. Cynthia Colin, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said Thursday.

So the Defense Department worked with private industry to invent the "ceremonial bugle," which has a small digital recording device inserted into its bell to play the music.

A member of the honor guard at the funeral simply presses a button on the device. A five-second delay gives the guards time to raise the instrument to their lips as if they are going to play it. "

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/09/04/digital.bugle.ap/index.html

Very, very odd.

P.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 10:53 PM
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1. its probably a good idea but it marks the official date of our
official societal insanity. <G>
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 10:56 PM
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2. I saw a tv news report on this some time ago
and they were actually having to resort to boom boxes at times. I guess the "auto-bugle" is an improvement over that.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 11:02 PM
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3. OMG!!!!!..........This is unbelievable!!!
There are so many musical highschool and college
students that would be proud to blow a few notes at
a respectable man of arms funeral!!!

This is so sad!!!(a total disregard for the life served)

This must have been a top priority of W!!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 04:12 AM
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12. a total disregard for the life served...
and an invalidation of the living. Sounds about right. NOT. :eyes:
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 11:02 PM
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4. Better silence
than the fake bugle or poor tinny recordings.

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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 11:08 PM
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7. I agree. This is VERY tacky.
Faux doesn't cut it with military funerals.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 11:05 PM
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5. Can you just imagine the embarrassing mishaps
using this sort of device? Suppose the "bugler" trips and falls, or has a coughing fit and the bugle goes off all by itself? Worthy of Candid Camera. Really bad news. My dad is planning on being buried at Arlington. I hate the thought of having to deal with this farce at a time like that.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 11:08 PM
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6. "Taps" is NOT that hard to play!
Hell, even *I* can play it, and I'm a woodwinds guy!
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 11:14 PM
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8. I had offered at our VFW
to play taps on my trombone.

Nope cannot do that either.

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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 12:04 AM
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10. Any beginning trumpeter can play this
When I decided to play my brother's trumpet one summer, I taught myself to play Taps..good exercise in lip training...any decent trumpet player can play this...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 11:21 PM
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9. From the same people who brought you ...
... the Push Button President. :shrug:
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 03:44 AM
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11. How disgusting....
eom
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 06:51 AM
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13. This reminds me of a scene from "Bill, the Galactic Hero"
(I understand that there is nothing funny about a military funeral.) This book was a pithy satire of Army life in the Troopers. Bill is recruited from his home planet by a recruiting sergeant accompanied by a splendid, gleaming one robot band playing a dozen instruments simultaneously. I loved the book twenty years ago.

http://www.sfsite.com/01b/bgh96.htm
...excerpt of a review...
This is not to say that the book is really all that funny, other than in a sort of "ouch -- that smarts" kind of way. Bill is a big, dumb farm boy, minding his business on a distant world when he is shanghaied by a passing recruiting officer and his band of gleaming robots. Before you know it, Bill finds himself in a Catch-22 world of rules and regulations, where it's almost impossible to get ahead and where the slightest infraction can earn you the enmity of your commanding officer. And if that officer happens to be Petty Chief Officer Deathwish Drang with his artificial two-inch canines, you might as well be dead.

But Bill is a regular Candide, and no matter how deep the doo-doo into which he falls, he somehow manages to come out smelling, if not exactly like a rose, than at least not quite bad as the doo-doo itself. Harrison manages some nice Flash-Gordonish SF riffs in the novel, which was originally published in 1965 and has worn better than some other books I can think of from that era. Bill The Galactic Hero has proved popular enough to have spawned half a dozen or so sequels, co-authored by the likes of the aforementioned Robert Sheckley, Dave Bischoff and others. It's an easy read, and if Bill himself is really not all that interesting as a character, the situations are clever -- Harrison is too good a writer to be boring. Bill The Galactic Hero is a good light read, interesting for those who want to see how the funny stuff was handled before Douglas Adams got hold of it.
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R Hickey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 08:52 AM
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24. Harry Harrison also wrote the book behind "Soylent Green"
The book behind Soylent Green was called "Make room, Make Room" which wasn't satire, but was a very accurate portrait of what the world will be like in about fifty years.

Bill the Galactic Hero" was an excellent book, although I thought it seemed to poke fun at the British military more than the US's.

Harrison also wrote the "Stainless Steel Rat" and a bunch of other "Stainless Steel Rat" books. These books were excellent in their iconoclasim.

Harrison is unique in that he wrote satire of current society, while accurately following social and techological trends to create realistic fucked-up future worlds.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 08:22 PM
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32. The Deathworld series was pretty good too.
I read a lot of Harry Harrison back in the 1980s. I just loved his cynical style. Then I got burned out.
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 06:58 AM
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14. All about saving money
Don't spend any money on the little guy - typical of the mindset of Whi$tle A$$ and his greedy cabal. They think they are so clever.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 07:07 AM
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15. That's as insulting as if they programmed their Nokia phone to
ring "Taps." I wonder if the electric bugle's made by GE or a Halliburton subsidary...

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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 07:16 AM
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16. No surprise
Just another sad step in our cultural decline as musicians are replaced by electronics.
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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 07:19 AM
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17. Will they accept long-haired buglers? Where do I sign up?
Edited on Fri Sep-05-03 07:25 AM by no one in particular
Used to play at a horse racetrack and have been playing the trumpet for 20 years. Unfortunately, they'd probably hold my nearly waist length hair against me.


Under the Bush* misadministation, this is bound to be a growth industry.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 07:57 AM
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18. Yep...yet another example of the leaner, meaner Army. Emphasis on "mean".
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 08:12 AM
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19. I used to do funeral Taps in high school
Any time we were needed two (first part and echo) of us would be sent to the cemetary for Taps. I always considered it a great honor.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 08:17 AM
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20. Everything about this Admin is Phoney
Edited on Fri Sep-05-03 08:18 AM by InkAddict
sacrifice of life in personal service to the Commander-in-Thief is now certain dead reality

More: hey, maybe he could create a job or two if he went with robotic buglers too.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 08:28 AM
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21. They Did That At My Dad's Funeral
He was a Korea era vet. When he died, he was buried at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery, and the honor guard used a recorded version of taps.

So, they've been doing this a while now, for vets. Of course, dying and dying in the line of duty would appear to be two very different things.
The Professor
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Jane Eyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 08:50 AM
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23. My dad's funeral too
My father died in 1989 and the local VFW's came out to do the honors for a fellow WWII vet. This is in a small town in NC. The VFW provides their services for any veteran's funeral. They did a 21-gun salute, then had a recorded version of Taps on a boombox. I was quite surprised when they brought out the boombox. I thought it was on the tacky side, but I appreciate the VFW's willingness to honor one of their own even if they lacked the resources to provide a real bugler.

I am not opposed to the digital bugler, but I prefer the idea of getting high school buglers for these events. What a wonderful way for a younger generation to honor those who have gone before, and what a wonderful way to recognize young musicians! With the pending demise of music education in our schools, this is a nice way of showing the importance of music and musical training in our society.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 09:26 AM
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25. At Abe Lincoln. . .
. . .the burial ceremony pavilions are wired for sound and the Taps doesn't require a boombox. Just push a button. I guess that pretty efficient.

However, the gun saulte was ALSO RECORDED! That's pretty weird, huh?
The Professor
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 12:11 PM
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30. Can't have Volunteer Buglers...
Edited on Fri Sep-05-03 12:14 PM by VolcanoJen
Military etiquette and tradition requires the bugler to be in uniform. Only currently-enlisted buglers are permitted to play TAPS at an official military burial.

I can't imagine this is happening at Arlington, of course... the Old Guard is a large regiment, and I'm confident they have plenty of buglers; they probably have the lion's share of active duty regimental musicians, as well they should...

You know, I think we may be reading this story a bit too critically. Recorded "TAPS" has been used at military funerals for a long, long time... this is simply an "improvement" on the illusion, isn't it? I suppose I'd prefer a uniformed soldier with a fake bugle to a damned boom box...
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 08:37 AM
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22. It's part of the BushCo assembly line.
They're trying to find a robot to present the flag to the widow.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 09:43 AM
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26. JUST PLAY A GODDAM RECORDING, THEN!
Having someone "pretend" to play it is insulting. Hey, this would be a good job to outsource to a civilians! We could train a bunch of welfare recipients to play the bugle!


rocknation

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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 10:16 AM
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27. This is not out of the ordinary folks.
I was on funeral detail when I was a young soldier back in the 80's and we used the recorded bugle in all but ONE funeral.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:19 AM
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28. Program in Trumpet Voluntary
and it could be used for weddings and funerals :eyes:

Whenever I hear stories like this, I know it's someone's way of getting around a limit, but I can't help but think... Can't we do better than this?
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 12:01 PM
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29. This is exttremely depressing...
A defining moment in my lfe occured at the exact moment a bugler played taps at my father's funeral. I looked arounf the cemetary and was stunned to see how many American flags there were. I realized then how much of a true sacrafice so many had made to make this country as great as it was "then".

No they will fake it.


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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 12:16 PM
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31. I'm surprised they didn't give a no-bid contract to Halliburton and
privatize blowing Taps.

Next, AWOL will use the new process for converting bodies to oil. That's really serving your country down to the last drop.
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