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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 06:28 AM
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Abramoff and gaming Indians: Just the tip of the iceberg
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/1/195344/1903

Abramoff and gaming Indians: Just the tip of the iceberg
by mbw
Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:43:10 PM PDT

(From the diaries -- kos)

For a couple of weeks now, I've been writing about what I've come to view as the much bigger scandal involving everyone from Jack Abramoff to Gale Norton to Richard Pombo to Grover Norquist, and generally every major Republican in between. It too has to do with Indians, but not only those with gaming operations. In fact, the real actors in this drama are the poorest of Indians, mostly in the West and Plains.

<snip>

The front-burner issue in the Interior Department during this Administration has been the foot-dragging, subverting and outright sabotaging of the largest class action case in US history, Cobell v. Norton. Norton was even slapped with a contempt charge by Judge Royce Lamberth for her part in the matter. Clinton Sec. Bruce Babbitt was also charged with contempt, but the plaintiffs in Cobell assert that while Clinton's people were just incompetent and trying to drag out the clock so they could hand off the problem, Norton has been downright hostile to settling the case, willing to use extreme measures to subvert the court ordered judgment.

<snip>

A large chunk of those federal lands are Indian Trust Fund lands, taken into trust in the late 1800s via the Dawes Act, and leased out to industries, ranchers and farmers at cut-rate prices. The money was then to be managed by Interior and paid out to native landowners. Of course, that didn't happen - hence Cobell v. Norton.

<snip>

The courts have ordered a full accounting of the Trust. Problem is, many of the documents were destroyed, including a slew of them under Norton. So the plaintiffs decided a few years back that the only way to get a real accounting is to audit the industries' books. That's what makes everyone so nervous, as plaintiff experts, having done some sampling, estimate we're talking over $150 billion in underpayments and fraud, along with interest, of course. Yes, $150 BILLION. And the pressure would be huge for Congress to force a repayment by the guilty. If not, then it comes out of the taxpayers' pockets, as the courts have already ordered the accounts be properly audited and brought up to date. Hence, the concern of the oil/gas, mining, ranching, forestry and agriculture interests which use/abuse the land lease process.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/1/195344/1903

Folks this looks to me like a big story, possibly THE big story. Follow the link above and read the whole thing. Kick and recommend this thread. This could be a large part of why they've been so desperate to gain and maintain power through any means. This NEEDS to get high visibility.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/1/195344/1903
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 06:34 AM
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1. K&R..... great post, important development, UNBELIEVABLE, nt.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:13 AM
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2. Thanks. nt
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:27 PM
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11. Oh no, it's believable. Anything they can get away with, they'll do.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:56 AM
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3. It never ends.
:kick:
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:47 AM
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4. Thanks. nt
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:39 AM
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5. No one finds this interesting?
:shrug:
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:57 AM
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6. Yup some do find this more than interesting!
It is disgusting, even more than the fact that 'Indians' are treated differently by the Constitution -- still. I've said before and I'll say again that the Department of the Interior (which has the Bureau of Indian Affairs) should, in reality, be named the Department for Ripping Off Indiginous Peoples. In addition to ripping of Native Americans, recall that the department, Delay/Abramoff and their ilk were allegedly instrumental in using its offices to ensure that the Marianas continue to exist in a de facto sort of slavery by using island labor, paid for (barely) in ways that would not measure up to real US standards and continuing to call the products it produces "Made in the USA".
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:33 AM
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7. yup, i gotta say it...
Holy Shit Batman! Someone should notify Mother Jones or KO about this!!! Needs to get out there BIG TIME! n/t

k and r



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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:47 PM
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9. You know what?
I can't figure out if this is sarcasm aimed at me or just cynicism about the possibility that anything will come of this.

By the way, "n/t" is generally used in the subject line.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:43 PM
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12. no sarcasm
Something will come of this... but it needs to be farmed to a "bridge" publication. Some nook in the MSM that it can be picked up from. Sorry if the HS Batman was too "light-humoured" for you. As for n/t... it does mean no time, right? I ran out of time when my 4 year ran into the room...which was after i had typed the Subject line.
Peace.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:52 PM
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14. Sorry if I misinterpreted.
That's why I said I wasn't sure. "n/t" is usually used in the subject line to indicate that there is no text in the body of the message. I guess it could mean "no time" but very few around here would interpret it that way.

How do we go about "farming it to a bridge publication"? You sound like you know what you're talking about (I don't even know what a "bridge publication" is). Any suggestions?
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:00 PM
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15. bridge...
i may have just made the term up... but what i'm referring to is a "news" or investigative source (ie. MoJo, Democracy Now!, Rolling Stone, etc) that is likely to be picked up by AP or UPI or some other global news service. Mother Jones seems to have a good record with this. Who was the last contributor to have written a piece on Abramoff? Do they have a Native American correspondent? Who can we get to STAND UP for the Native Americans? What voice would be unquestioned in the media? (someone like Murtha, unassailable). A serious brainstorming session is needed to figure out how best to force MSM to cover this.

As for n/t... a ha! so that's what it stands for! I just assumed that since there was very little writing on those posts they must have had No Time to write anything else. Thanks for clarifying. (it took me awhile to figure out what kicked means too... but i get it now)


peace.




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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:00 PM
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16. Raw Story comes to mind.
I don't know how much of a bridge they are. I think they may have had one or two articles picked up.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:40 AM
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8. Cynical thought: No one in power gives a shit about Indians.
Nothing will happen with this case. Nothing will happen with this story. No one in media will give this the time of day. Everyone in government will look for ways to screw them more.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:52 PM
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10. Kick. When it comes to stealing from Indians, Abramoff is penny ante.
$150 billion is a lot of money.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:47 PM
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13. This is an excellent diary.
And it is truly astonishing how the MSM has tried to turn the victims, (Native Americans) in to the villains.

Kicked and recommended.

:kick:
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:52 PM
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17. K&R nt
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:27 PM
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18. I just emailed KO
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 08:45 PM by drm604
with a link to the article.

On Edit: And Randi Rhodes too!

And Raw Story.
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