Lawrence O'Donnell: Was Cheney Drunk?( maybe? LA Times)

[maddezmom]

The L.A. Times is edging closer to the most likely reason for the 18 hour delay in reporting that the Vice President of the United States shot someone:

"This was a hunting accident," said Gilbert San Miguel, chief deputy of the Kenedy County Sheriff's Office. "There was no alcohol or misconduct."

How do we know there was no alcohol? Cheney refused to talk to local authorities until the next day. No point in giving him a breathalyzer then. Every lawyer I've talked to assumes Cheney was too drunk to talk to the cops after the shooting. The next question for the White House should be: Was Cheney drunk?

more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060214/cm_huffpost/015646;_

[Uben]

1. A simple polygraph would answer that n/t

n/t

[flyingfysh]

5. unfortunately, no

Polygraphs are completely unreliable, and are readily fooled by accomplished liars. Brain scans do show promise of being reliable lie detectors, but need much more research; they even seem able to distinguish false memories from true memories.

The US government has lost the talents of many good people forced out of high-security positions by dubious polygraph results.

[Jackpine Radical]

9. I assume by "brain scans" you're referring to P300 wave analysis.

[flyingfysh]

21. I don't know P300 waves

I was referring to articles like this one:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.01/lying.html

[Jackpine Radical]

23. Thanks for the link. I didn't know about this particular research.

I was talking about a different phenomenon, the signal the brain generates when it recognizes a familiar stimulus. The P300 wave is a single positive-voltage pulse that appears about 300 ms after a stimulus is presented. The p300 wave generated by familiar stimuli is somewhat different in timing & amplitude than one generated by a novel stimulus. Thus you can set things up to detect "guilty familiarity" (e.g. with the murder weapon), & this has been posited as a sort of lie-detector.

[Uben]

10. Well....

....there were several people present at the shooting and thereafter. Do you think they all could fool a polygraph? A preponderance of the evidence would be enough, no?

[flyingfysh]

14. why use a polygraph with multiple witnesses?

Just interview them all separately, and compare the stories. Police departments have gotten very good at that. A polygraph adds nothing to an investigation.

[mom cat]

22. They already sychronized their stories.

[Lib4Life2006]

18. That's true

If you are a good enough liar and can mask your emotion, you can defeat a lie detector. That's why a lot of them cannot be admitted as evidence, in court.

[Skittles]

26. Cheney is a sociopath who does not experience true human emotion

and he lies as easily as he breathes; he would be no match for a polygraph

[ClintonTyree]

13. Congress can't get these guys to testify under oath for anything...

there's not a chance in hell that he'd submit to a polygraph test. He wouldn't even have reported this at all if it wasn't for Armstrong insisting on calling the local press. He STILL hasn't made a public statement, and probably never will. The disdain Cheney shows for the people of this country is unconscionable. This evil piece of shit needs to be impeached along with his "boss" NOW!

[GrumpyGreg]

2. If he had been drinking he just did what Ted Kennedy did------

wait until the alcohol is out of the system.

The rich and powerful are all alike when the shit hits the fan.

[aquart]

3. Really?

Yet Teddy Kennedy has devoted his life to making a good difference. Cheney has not.

Are they still the same? Really?

And is a thirty-odd year old incident the most recent crime you can pin on a Democrat to even the playing field?

[Stephanie]

12. That was, like, 40 years ago.

Can't you people come up with anything better than that? Come on, man, think!

[Double T]

4. Time for a special prosecutor to begin an investigation.......

you KNOW dick is lying 'cause nothing makes sense.

[Klukie]

6. It would be interesting to know if Whiitingtons bloodwork

contained a blood alcohol level! These guys don't drink alone.

[IsItJustMe]

24. The question was asked of his doctor today on CNN. The reply

NO COMMENT

[LeftNYC]

7. Tweety just made an obvious point.

but a good one just glad he said it-

Said when something bad happens, politicians try to hide it or brush it aside...When its nothing or good news, they wont shut up about it.

Something isnt right here...I'm paraphrasing Tweety but thats the basics...

[powergirl]

8. OF COURSE HE WAS - THEY WERE HUNTING FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD!

I grew up around the ole' hunting crowd. I don't hunt and I don't like guns. My brother and dad did and still do. From what I understand, one of the reasons for hunting is drinking. I discussed this accident with my brother and he said it is not easy to accidentally shoot someone behind you with the weapon he was using. His theory is that Dick was drunk and was not in control of his weapon, i.e. a wuss, and shouldn't be allowed to play with real toys. Yee haw.

:woohoo:

[katty]

15. yup, just like dick's REAL life-no control of his weapons

[Kikosexy2]

11. There's ....

nothing like a drunk-Dick!!

[MadisonProgressive]

16. From the LA Times article:

"Then they broke for a lunch of antelope, jicama salad and camp bread, washed down with Dr. Pepper."

How many times have you seen a lunch or dinner described with the ending 'washed down with Dr. Pepper'?

Me thinks they protesteth to much!

[90-percent]

17. teddy

i saw a a&e bill curtis show about that where it was implied that teddy didn't know anything about what happened until the next day. he and mary joe parted ways before she drove into the water by herself. whatever really happened, it was still a sad incident. glad teddy is still around, though. he does some heroic things for this country now and then.

-85% jimmy

[mirandapriestly]

19. Thom Hartmann was saying that Cheney was drunk and that

is why the delay, possibly.

[bvar22]

20. To prove that, we would need a "smoking gun"....

:+

[classysassy]

25. Drunk

I don't know if Chaney was drunk because of booze,but all those mad men and women in the Bush gang are drunk with power.