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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:07 PM
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Dahr Jamail...."Who Benefits?"
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 04:08 PM by stillcool47
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/dispatches/000365.php


February 24, 2006
Who Benefits?
The most important question to ask regarding the bombings of the Golden Mosque in Samarra on the 22nd is: who benefits?

The horrific attack which destroyed much of the Golden Mosque generated sectarian outrage which led to attacks on over 50 Sunni mosques. Many Sunni mosques in Baghdad were shot, burnt, or taken over. Three Imams were killed, along with scores of others in widespread violence.

This is what was shown by western corporate media.

As quickly as these horrible events began, they were called to an end and replaced by acts of solidarity between Sunni and Shia across Iraq.

This, however, was not shown by western corporate media.

The Sunnis where the first to go to demonstrations of solidarity with Shia in Samarra, as well as to condemn the mosque bombings. Demonstrations of solidarity between Sunni and Shia went off over all of Iraq: in Basra, Diwaniyah, Nasiriyah, Kut, and Salah al-Din.


...all those concerned with "civil-war"...please read the whole post at the link above....
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:28 PM
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1. Check the ending paragraphs which refer to earlier Brit plots to bomb
mosques:
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran, urged Iraqi Shia not to seek revenge against Sunni Muslims, saying there were definite plots “to force the Shia to attack the mosques and other properties respected by the Sunni. Any measure to contribute to that direction is helping the enemies of Islam and is forbidden by sharia.”

Instead, he blamed the intelligence services of the U.S. and Israel for being behind the bombs at the Golden Mosque.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair stated that those who committed the attack on the Golden Mosque “have only one motive: to create a violent sedition between the Sunnis and the Shiites in order to derail the Iraqi rising democracy from its path.”

Well said Mr. Blair, particularly when we keep in mind the fact that less than a year ago in Basra, two undercover British SAS soldiers were detained by Iraqi security forces whilst traveling in a car full of bombs and remote detonators.

Jailed and accused by Muqtada al-Sadr and others of attempting to generate sectarian conflict by planting bombs in mosques, they were broken out of the Iraqi jail by the British military before they could be tried.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:36 PM
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:05 PM
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4. Very impressive web site there. I can see that you have passed
anti-propaganda 101.(and much more). I will look at ti further.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:34 PM
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2. Thanks for this information
This sounds more like what I felt would happen, as I feel the majority of Muslims in Iraq are still following the Qur'an and its injunctions for peace and solidarity among fellow Muslims. I think we in the West should ask why the MSM in the US is intent on showing us only violence among Muslims.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:39 PM
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5. D'oh... Cui bono?
;-) :loveya:
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sablefish Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:40 PM
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6. The U.S., U.K. and Israel benefit from the bombing.. That's who.
We.. The U.S. the U.K, and Israel and the fractional banking systems of the West benefit from destroying Islam.. Because they don't believe in usury. They believe in the Bible.. And because they are Semites and God's choosen people they must be destroyed by the Luciferians who have taken over our governments in the West. They were right.. Satan is in command of the New World Order.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 04:55 AM
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8. What a load!
Geez, what an incredibly bizarre and disturbing post, on a number of levels.

We.. The U.S. the U.K, and Israel and the fractional banking systems of the West benefit from destroying Islam.


HUH?! That doesn't even make a lick of sense! What the hell does banking have to do with anything?

Because they don't believe in usury.


Who is "they?" According to the Bible, Christians don't believe in this, which is why Jews took care of money in the Middle Ages.

They believe in the Bible..


Israel "believes" in the Bible? You do know that Israel is a mostly Jewish nation, right?

And because they are Semites and God's chosen people they must be destroyed by the Luciferians who have taken over our governments in the West.


Again, who is "they?" Jews are also Semites. They are the "chosen people." "Chosen" to receive G-d's law.

They were right.. Satan is in command of the New World Order.


There is that "they" again. Who is this "they" and what "New World Order?"
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 05:43 AM
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9. Leave Israel out of it.
There'S no need to bring Israel into every conspiracy.

For me I find it very suspicious that B*sh was taking hits on the ports deal and heading towards 0% approval from his own base and party, then all of a sudden, BAM! there's a nice photogenic explosion perfect for TV news and front pages everywhere.

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 10:03 AM
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11. You cannot separate US/Israeli/UK policy in the ME.
Sorry but that dog won't hunt. They form an axis, a coordinated faction, and the dominant military force in the region.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 01:18 PM
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12. Maybe on a strategic level
but on a day-to-day basis I don't believe Israel is behind the covert ops and psyops that we see happening.

Also, as the ports deal shows, Bushco also has arab govts (e.g. Saudi & UAE) pulling their strings too.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 04:13 PM
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13. Israel is probably the only player
in our three way alliance that has covert operatives inside arab countries.

All I am saying is that there is no good way to separate anything other than individual actions, and even there it is difficult.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 04:33 PM
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14. There are some...
...that have to bring Israel into every conspiracy. As the Arabs are the 'bogeyman' for the right, Israel is the same for those on the far-left.

The Bushies say "terra, terra, terra" and imply Arabs, the leftists do the same with Israel. I fear some of them just wait for the day Israel is no more.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:40 PM
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7. Dahr Jamail is no fool
from article:
"British Prime Minister Tony Blair stated that those who committed the attack on the Golden Mosque “have only one motive: to create a violent sedition between the Sunnis and the Shiites in order to derail the Iraqi rising democracy from its path.”

Well said Mr. Blair, particularly when we keep in mind the fact that less than a year ago in Basra, two undercover British SAS soldiers were detained by Iraqi security forces whilst traveling in a car full of bombs and remote detonators."

And a worthwhile backgrounder:


A Meeting with Hoshyar Zebari
Author:
Hoshyar Zebari
June 8, 2004
Speaker: Hoshyar Zebari, foreign minister of the Interim Government of Iraq
Moderator: Richard N. Haass, president, Council on Foreign Relations
Council on Foreign Relations
New York, N.Y.
June 8, 2004

Let me just begin by introducing the minister, someone I’ve known for a long time. He has been a leading figure in Iraqi politics now for decades. He’s one of the principal figures in the Kurdish Democratic Party. He has been a principal figure in the Iraqi National Congress and in Iraqi opposition politics. Most recently, Minister Zebari has, again, been the foreign affairs figure for the IGC, and as of June 30, he not so much changes hats, but we change the sign on the hat, and represents the sovereign government of Iraq in its foreign relations.
He’s with us his morning, and immediately after this he will heading down to join the president of the new interim government and they will be making their way down to a little resort off the coast of Georgia, where the Iraqi delegation will meet with the leaders of the G-8 countries. And hopefully, all of this will happen against the backdrop of the passage of a new Security Council resolution, which the minister has been instrumental in shaping. So again, sir, welcome to the Council on Foreign Relations.

ZEBARI: Thank you very much for your kind words. And I’m also very pleased to be here with you. In fact, the first time I was here was in 1991, immediately after the second Gulf War, the liberation of Kuwait. I’m very pleased to be here this year after the liberation of the Iraqi people from Saddam’s dictatorship.
The significance of this resolution for us, for the Iraqis, is really to take away the concept of occupation, which I would say was the main reason for many of the difficulties that we have been going through since liberation on April the 9th <2003>. So we want this resolution to make a clear departure from previous resolutions— 1483, 1511— that legitimized the occupation of our country, and it has put us in a very difficult position to defend our vision for the future of Iraq, to defend our friends and allies who have sacrificed a great deal to liberate the Iraqi people from these years of darkness. This is one.



ZEBARI: Well, one of the areas that has taken a great deal of discussion in the Security Council is the relation of the new interim government with the multinational forces, which I have said in the chamber of the Security Council and very publicly that we need these forces. It is an Iraqi need more than an American or coalition need. And I warned against any premature withdrawal of these forces because the consequences would be catastrophic. I have said this here in New York in the chamber. I’ve said it in Cairo. I’ve said it in Tunis in front of all the Arab leaders, said it in front of all the Islamic leaders, that any premature withdrawal will create a vacuum. We the Iraqis are not ready to fill it, and the possibilities really would be wide open for the disintegration of Iraq as a state, for the possibility of reigning chaos and even civil war. When we mention that it would not be like Lebanon or Afghanistan, really, it would be far more serious. It would be the possibility of a junior Saddam coming up again in such a situation, on these extremist, nationalist ideas to take control again.

<snip>

ZEBARI: --yes, yes— the federal entity will retain some internal security, like police, mountain rangers, antiterrorist groups, and so on. This would be under the command of the regional government, but all the other militias— I mean, now, I mean, we had, the KDP/PUK had nearly about 100,000 people under arms. The rest actually would be encouraged to join the other Iraqi army units: the police, the new army, the IRDC, the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, the border guards. Many such entities have been established where they have joined.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/7091/meeting_with_hoshyar_zebari.html
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 09:14 AM
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10. BTW, Dahr Jamail is certainly not a 'conspiracy' site.
This is a primary source on what's really happening on the ground in Iraq:

From the home page:

Weary of the overall failure of the US media to accurately report on the realities of the war in Iraq for the Iraqi people and US soldiers, Dahr Jamail went to Iraq to report on the war himself.

His dispatches were quickly recognized as an important media resource and he is now writing for the Inter Press Service, The Asia Times and many other outlets. His reports have also been published with The Nation, The Sunday Herald, Islam Online, the Guardian and the Independent to name just a few. Dahr's dispatches and hard news stories have been translated into French, Polish, German, Dutch, Spanish, Japanese, Portuguese, Chinese, Arabic and Turkish. On radio as well as television, Dahr reports for Democracy Now!, the BBC, and numerous other stations around the globe. Dahr is also special correspondent for Flashpoints.


Nb, if you want to but haven't yet seen the extremely graphic photos of white phosphorus victims of Fallujah, they're in the site's images section, along with much other material...
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Shizaad Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:37 PM
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15. Good post. You're Still Cool.
I've had the same suspicions as Dahr Jamail ever since the first major terrorist attack after the occupation began, in front of the same shrine.
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