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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:18 AM
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Treasury never gives up trying to sell us on dollar coins
Last week, our government insulted us yet again by issuing another new dollar coin while failing to muster the courage to take away our dollar bills. You will reject this dollar coin just like you rejected the Eisenhower debacle (1971-78), the Susan B. Anthony disaster (1979-81) and the Sacagawea fiasco (2000-about three weeks later). That's because buying things with gold-colored coins makes you feel like you're a dork at a Renaissance fair.

But it saves us money. A bill costs 4 cents to make but only lasts about 18 months; a coin costs 20 cents but lasts more than 30 years. That means -- not factoring for inflation or compound interest because I don't know how -- dollar bills cost four times as much to produce. The Government Accountability Office estimates that's a savings of $500 million a year. With that kind of money, we could start a small war.

Other countries' smallest bills are way higher than the dollar: The 5-euro note ($6.60), 1,000 yen ($8.28), Britain's 5-pound note ($9.75), 10 Swiss francs ($8.18), $5 Canadian ($4.30) and $5 Australian ($3.93). Even Mexico's smallest bill, at 20 pesos, is worth $1.82. And for those of you who don't keep up with the news, Mexicans are poor.

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They are battled by Save the Greenback, paid for by the paper and ink suppliers. Save the Greenback ultimately prevented a phaseout of the dollar bill thanks in part to Trent Lott (Mississippi's cotton industry makes the dollar's fabric) and Ted Kennedy (Massachusetts' Crane Paper Co. produces the dollar's paper). If dollar bill lobbies can bring Lott and Kennedy together, I'll bet we can get them to make out for a mid-sized military contract.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/16781214.htm
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:26 AM
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1. how about dumping the penny and the dollar bill and adding the dollar coin.
only makes sense.

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:34 AM
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2. Amen....
Doesn't it cost more to make pennies than they're actually worth?
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:54 AM
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4. Same with nickels.
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 09:55 AM by mcscajun
Not sure about the dimes, though.

Even so, the Euro currency still has 'em.

I would like to see the dollar bill go in favor of coins, though.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:01 AM
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5. Paper is lighter than coins.
How much weight do you think I should carry every day? Paper takes up less space than coins.

This isn't arbitrary rejection. The coins are not practical for the USER.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:46 AM
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7. To each his own, I guess.
When I was travelling in Ireland, I liked the 1 and 2 euro coins. :shrug:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 12:03 PM
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11. I disagree. Coins are still easier to use in vending machines than bills. Carrying three of four
dollar coins is no worse than carrying three or four quarters. Actually I would love to get the $1 bills out of my billfold and instead have several dollar coins in my pocket. The Canadians aren't complaining.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:16 AM
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14. the coins for dollar equivalent denominations didn't weigh me down when I went to Europe
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 11:02 AM
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8. you still need some smallest denomination.
i think dime sized increments might be pushing it though so we still need nickles.

if they were sensible they would scrap pennies.
make the dime sized coin 5 cents
make a penny sized coin 10 cents
make a nickle sized coin 25 cents
make a quarter sized coin a dollar
scrap the paper dollar.

they would catch hell from the vending industry though for the changeover.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 11:40 AM
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9. Eurocents are cheaper to make than American cents.
Same with Canadian cents. They're copper-plated steel instead of zinc.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 09:39 AM
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3. I don't like hevy coins. I wish all money were paper. I do use my debt card 90% of the time,.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 11:41 AM
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10. The dollar coins aren't that heavy.
I got two rolls of the dollars the day they came out and have been using them exclusively instead of dollar bills since. I don't notice the difference in my pocket.

Where they're really handy is with vending machines. One dollar coin weighs a lot less than four quarters.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 10:10 AM
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6. Hahaha, the all-powerful Paper and Ink lobby
Americans have always been extremely silly about this issue, stubbornly refusing to change even a single detail about their currency. As a result, it has always been the most easy currency to counterfeit. Untold thousands of legally blind people have been ripped off because they couldn't distinguish between a 1 and a 20.

Nearly every other country in the world has security features such as different colors, watermarking, threads, holograms and microscopic features hard to duplicate. And coins. But not the US.

Here's a post I found from Kuro5hin, "American Currency is Stupid" (written by an American)
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/12/31/45837/844

Recently the US Mint outlawed the exportation or melting of pennies and nickels. Why? For one of the most hilarious of reasons: Pennies and nickels, in their zinc, nickel, and copper content, are worth more than a penny and nickel each! Not by much, but the world is experiencing a pinch in raw material costs (things like oil, paper, metals, etc.), as China, India, and other countries continue to soar as economic and industrial powerhouses, and this trend shows no sign of abating. So in the near future, melting pennies or nickels will probably net some enterprising souls a nice profit.

What's especially silly about this is that since money is really just an abstract expression of economic exchange and value, money can be anything. Making coins out of valuable metals is merely a throwback to an era when monetary exchange really needed to have intrinsic value to protect against currency scares and runs on banks. But this is an era which has long been passed in the world by over a century, we now use paper and plastic for most of our financial exchanges. The world economy is stable and interconnected enough that either the whole world melts down, or not. Therefore, faith in the international monetary system itself is more important than whether or not you have stockpiled enough South African Gold Krugerrands in your basement. If a country decides to use plastic coins, or seashells, or Rai stones, or Hello Kitty stickers, it doesn't matter. Currency merely needs to be hard or not worth it to counterfeit. That's all that is important.

snip!

As an illustration of how usability apparently means nothing to the US Mint, for a long time now, consider the silly decades-long saga of the American dollar coin. It would probably seem like a strange fact to modern Americans (since hardly anyone uses them, and when they get them in their change, it is like getting an artifact from Alpha Centauri), but for most of American history, there have been dollar coins. At first they were huge wonky things. Which was fine, since back then one US dollar really meant something important, back when you could buy candy bars for a penny. These hulks were revived in the 1970s as... the same huge wonky things. But by the 1970s, dollars didn't command that much respect to weigh down your pocket by five pounds. And then, someone at the mint grew half a brain cell. Emphasis on half a brain cell: "As inflation affects the value of our coinage, more and more people use bills instead of coins, so let's join most of the rest of the world and devise a dollar for wider use as a coin."
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:02 PM
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12. heh that was funny
"with that kind of money we could start a small war!"

"If dollar bill lobbies can bring Lott and Kennedy together, I'll bet we can get them to make out for a mid-sized military contract."


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winston61 Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:44 PM
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13. this aint rocket science-
you want to make the dollar coin work? get rid of the dollar bill! how many federal monkeys does it take to work this out?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:19 AM
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16. like OP said, it's a pork barrel issue. that's why weapons systems have subcontractors in every
state. You can't cancel them without pissing off a lot of congressmen and senators.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:18 AM
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15. something that will moot the issue: credit/debit scanners on vending machines.
they already have them at one of th schools where I teach.

If you think about it, it's already way past the point where cards are more convenient than checks. It's not much longer until they will seem more convenient than cash.
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