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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:39 PM
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NYC mayor: Get used to surveillance
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-01-surveillance_N.htm

LONDON (AP) — Residents of big cities like New York and London must accept that they are under constant watch by video cameras, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.

Bloomberg, holding talks with his London counterpart Ken Livingstone, said such measures as London's "ring of steel" — a network of closed-circuit cameras that monitors the city center — were a necessary protection in a dangerous world.

"In this day and age, if you think that cameras aren't watching you all the time, you are very naive," Bloomberg told reporters at London's City Hall.

"We are under surveillance all the time" from cameras in shops and office buildings, "and in London they have multiple cameras on every bus and in every subway car," he added.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:42 PM
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1. And the ones that are manned are watching some juicy pair or fine ass 90% of the time
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 01:42 PM by Vincardog
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:27 PM
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6. They're all PERVERTS!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:55 PM
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2. which is why I'm moving to the back country
because I really can't live in a society like that.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:09 PM
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3. Who decides whether or not to have ring-of-steel surveillance?
Surely, if 'the people' decided they weren't going to settle for Big Brother, they could -- theoretically -- get rid of the cameras.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:16 PM
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4. Big Brother talks: You Listen. Got it?
wish it was sarcasm.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:32 PM
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7. yeah -- i hear 'ya. more than 15,000 cameras are estimated to be in use -- with no registry
no one is sure exactly who is watching. this is seriously fucked up.


http://alternet.org/rights/63990/?page=entire

New York City's Explosion in Police Repression and Surveillance Is a Threat to Us All
By Nick Turse, Tomdispatch.com
Posted on October 1, 2007, Printed on October 1, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/63990/

One day in August, I walked into the Daniel Patrick Moynihan United States Courthouse in lower Manhattan. Nearly three years before I had been locked up, about two blocks away, in "the Tombs" -- the infamous jail then named the Bernard B. Kerik Complex for the now-disgraced New York City Police Commissioner. You see, I am one of the demonstrators who was illegally arrested by the New York City Police Department (NYPD) during the protests against the 2004 Republican National Convention (RNC). My crime had been -- in an effort to call attention to the human toll of America's wars -- to ride the subway, dressed in black with the pallor of death about me (thanks to cornstarch and cold cream), and an expression to match, sporting a placard around my neck that read: WAR DEAD.

I was with a small group and our plan was to travel from Union Square to Harlem, change trains, and ride all the way back down to Astor Place. But when my small group exited the train at the 125th Street station in Harlem, we were arrested by a swarm of police, marched to a waiting paddy wagon and driven to a filthy detention center. There, we were locked away for hours in a series of razor-wire-topped pens, before being bussed to the Tombs.

Now, I was back to resolve the matter of my illegal arrest. As I walked through the metal detector of the Federal building, a security official searched my bag. He didn't like what he found. "You could be shot for carrying that in here," he told me. "You could be shot."

For the moment, however, the identification of that dangerous object I attempted to slip into the federal facility will have to wait. Let me instead back up to July 2004, when, with the RNC fast-approaching, I authored an article on the militarization of Manhattan -- "the transformation of the island into a 'homeland-security state'" -- and followed it up that September with a street-level recap of the convention protests, including news of the deployment of an experimental sound weapon, the Long Range Acoustic Device, by the NYPD, and the department's use of an on-loan Fuji blimp as a "spy-in-the-sky." Back then, I suggested that the RNC gave New York's "finest," a perfect opportunity to "refine, perfect, and implement new tactics (someday, perhaps, to be known as the 'New York model') for use penning in or squelching dissent. It offered them the chance to write up a playbook on how citizens' legal rights and civil liberties may be abridged, constrained, and violated at their discretion."

Little did I know how much worse it could get.

No Escape

Since then, the city's security forces have eagerly embraced an Escape From New York-aesthetic -- an urge to turn Manhattan into a walled-in fortress island under high-tech government surveillance, guarded by heavily armed security forces, with helicopters perpetually overhead. Beginning in Harlem in 2006, near the site of two new luxury condos, the NYPD set up a moveable "two-story booth tower, called Sky Watch," that gave an "officer sitting inside a better vantage point from which to monitor the area." The Panopticon-like structure -- originally used by hunters to shoot quarry from overhead and now also utilized by the Department of Homeland Security along the Mexican border -- was outfitted with black-tinted windows, a spotlight, sensors, and four to five cameras. Now, five Sky Watch towers are in service, rotating in and out of various neighborhoods.

(more at link)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:26 PM
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5. NYC Mayor! Go to Hell!
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:26 PM
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8. "Ring of Steel" --- sounds so
Nazi, with a touch of Wagner thrown in.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:47 AM
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9. i was thinking johnny cash
just not as catchy with "steel" though.
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