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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:09 AM
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Gun Love in America Is Strong as Ever
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 10:10 AM by marmar
from the Observer UK, via AlterNet:



Gun Love in America Is Strong as Ever

By Paul Harris, The Observer UK. Posted October 16, 2007.


Despite the spiraling rise in the daily number of shootings in the US, gun culture has only become stronger.



Shirley Katz is not afraid to fight for her rights. Last week the schoolteacher, 44, went to court in her home town of Medford, Oregon, to protest at her working conditions. Specifically she is outraged she cannot carry a handgun into class. 'I know it is my right to carry that gun,' she said.

Katz was in court in the week that someone else took a gun to school in America. This time it was a pupil in Cleveland, Ohio. Asa Coon, 14, walked the corridors of his school, a gun in each hand, shooting two teachers and two students. Then he killed himself. Coon's attempted massacre made headlines. But a more bloody rampage, the murder of six young partygoers by Tyler Peterson, a policeman in Crandon, Wisconsin, got less attention, even in the New York Times -- America's newspaper of record -- which buried it deep inside the paper.

Guns, and the violence their possessors inflict, have never been more prevalent in America. Gun crime has risen steeply over the past three years. Despite the fact groups such as the National Rifle Association (NRA) consistently claim they are being victimised, there have probably never been so many guns or gun-owners in America -- although no one can be sure, as no one keeps a reliable account. One federal study estimated there were 215 million guns, with about half of all US households owning one. Such a staggering number makes America's gun culture thoroughly mainstream.

An average of almost eight people aged under 19 are shot dead in America every day. In 2005 there were more than 14,000 gun murders in the US -- with 400 of the victims children. There are 16,000 suicides by firearm and 650 fatal accidents in an average year. Since the killing of John F Kennedy in 1963, more Americans have died by American gunfire than perished on foreign battlefields in the whole of the 20th century.

Studies show that having a gun at home makes it six times more likely that an abused woman will be murdered. A gun in a US home is 22 times more likely to be used in an accidental shooting, a murder or a suicide than in self-defence against an attack. Yet despite those figures US gun culture is not retreating. It is growing. Take Katz's case in Oregon. She brought her cause to court under a state law that gives licensed gun-owners the right to bring a firearm to work: her school is her workplace. Such a debate would have been unthinkable a few decades ago. Now it is the battleground. 'Who would have thought a few years ago, we would even be having this conversation? But this won't stop here,' said Professor Brian Anse Patrick of the University of Toledo in Ohio. Needless to say, last week the judge sided with Katz and she won the first round of her case. .........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/rights/65194/



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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:16 AM
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1. Gun control is over as a political issue. It's time came and went***
nm
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:40 PM
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9. Whatever else it does, the 2nd Amendment cannot give a right ...
to carry a gun on the property of an employer, public or private.

It's idiocy that her suit has not been tossed out of court.

And if gun control is over as a political issue, it is because of the idiocy of American politics, of American policy, and of all too many Americans.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:19 AM
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2. Personally, I am VERY uncomfortable with guns in primary or secondary schools...
...and I don't even care for law enforcement walking the halls with guns unless it's absolutely necessary. Colleges and universities are a different matter entirely.

And we've had two instances in as many days here in Dallas where law-abiding citizens have used guns to shoot burglars who threatened them with serious or deadly injury. If Harris wants to talk about the "gun culture," he needs to take self-defense into account as well.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:21 AM
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3. i will always vote for gun control -- as much as i can get. n/t
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:41 AM
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4. Thank you, xchrom....
Sometimes I feel like I'm alone on an island on this issue. :grouphug:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:45 AM
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5. you most certainly are not.
:hug:
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:24 PM
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10. I am a liberal, not a totalitarian
The Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment, is what separates us from dictatorship whether Hitler or Stalin style.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:33 PM
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11. i interpret the second differently.
and i will always, always vote for gun control.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:43 PM
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13. There are always a few extremists on this issue
Let's hope none of our candidates adopt your position.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:57 PM
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14. takes an extremist to know one i guess.
lets hope we can get more guns out of american society.
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:03 AM
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6. The only true gun control is a very tight shot group
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:17 AM
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7. Why should we be surprised, when we see on TV, a hundred times
a day, terrible situations being resolved in one hour, usually with a gun.

It's called "indoctrination".
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:30 AM
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8. America's condemned itself to a never ending cycle of violence
along with the largest prison system in the world.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:35 PM
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12. we're a country filled with wannabe jesse james and bat mastersons. n/t
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