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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:52 PM
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So It Begins


So It Begins
By David Glenn Cox


The run on the bank that George Bailey faced on his wedding day in, “It’s a wonderful Life” made him ask, “How did this start?”

“I don’t know? How do these things ever start George.” But for us in 2008 the answer is simple yet complicated. It starts by outsourcing jobs and moving manufacturing over seas, naively believing your global competitors will be satisfied with just a piece of your business. That the student could never better the master that crumbs from the table would satiate rather than make them hungrier

The breaking down of regulations separating investment capital from savings allowing the co mingling of funds and risky investment devices. Each with insurance to protect it from failure provided by those in the same investment business. Saying in effect that if your end of the boat begins to sink, I’ll bail you out.

The ludicrous belief that a country can run a budget deficit, a trade deficit, and a tax deficit all at the same time for any amount of time that they choose, under some odd belief that the rules don’t apply to them. Of course, if I walked into a bank and asked to borrow $10,000,000 on the promise that, hey I’m a great guy, I’m smart, educated, I’m productive, I’m a leader and people like me. The bank would ask for my history and I would explain. I always spend more than I take in, I’ve squandered more opportunity than most countries ever had. I give away money to the people that need it least and try to make up the difference by closing down opportunity to those who need it most. I start a trillion-dollar war just cause it seemed like a real good idea at the time and then I ask, can I get that money today?

Dow futures down 514 points or 4.25%, S&P 500 futures down 60 points or 4.54%,
NASDAQ down 76 points or 4.11% How bad is that? So bad that Bloomberg Television deleted showing the futures from their crawl at 11:00AM and ran Friday’s numbers instead. The Martin Luther King holiday has US markets closed today but world wide it is the largest drop since 9-11

In Europe, the FTSE 100 (England) down 323.5 points or 5.48% the DAX (Germany) down 523 points or 7.16%. In Asia, it is no better, Nikki 225 down 535 points or 3.86% awful numbers but by world standards the Japanese economic strength keeps their numbers among the best. The Japanese banks have the least exposure to sub prime investments or maybe a long memory of being burned on American Real Estate investments once before. Hong Kong’s Hang Seng index, down 1,383 points or 5.49%, Singapore Straight Times down 187 points or 6.03%.

Australian Markets closed down for an eleventh straight day, a new record. Chinese indexes are off 5% on average and South Korea off 3%.

The dollar appears to have gained in strength relative to the Yen and the Euro but it is not the strength of the dollar but the loss of faith in their own currencies. Oil is down due to the fear of a global recession / depression and even gold is down on the global uncertainly of when the other shoe will drop our how many shoes will drop. Or was that a shoe or a body hitting the floor?

``This is a stock-market crisis,'' said Alberto Roldan, head of research at Inverseguros SVB in Madrid. ``Investors believe that neither a government package nor a huge rate cut is going to help evade a recession in the U.S.''

The markets hate uncertainty, uncertainty will always drive markets down. The Wall Street Journal is always the most conservative voice on Wall Street. When the Wall Street Journal says we are facing the largest recession in 25 years it is akin to Custer saying, “There might be Indians out there.” The day off for Wall Street may be a blessing in disguise and tomorrow morning alone will tell just how well disguised it is. Either the US markets will calm themselves with a good night’s sleep and time to reflect or hell’s a poppin!

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said in Washington today the government doesn't comment on daily market moves.

“The risk of European companies defaulting soared to a record today on speculation credit-rating cuts at bond insurers including Ambac Financial Group Inc. may trigger forced asset sales. European Central Bank council member Nout Wellink said economic growth in the region may slow more than policy makers had expected.”


``We're confident that the global economy will continue to grow, and that the U.S. economy will return to stronger growth,'' The White House spokesman Fratto said in an e-mailed message. Wishful thinking at its best! Because thinking the alternative is unthinkable

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:56 PM
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1. The White House lives in a dream world
the sh*t is hitting the fan. Get ready and hunker down, people.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:57 PM
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2. Kick.
:(
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:58 PM
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3. world wide recission
is this a first?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:07 PM
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4. I just heard a clip on Air America - Nancy Pelosi saying that she hopes, one
month from now, the effects of the legislation they passed will be evident.

Anyone know what she's referring to?

They certainly can't believe that Bush's plan can do anything, can they? :shrug:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:17 PM
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5. Is She Really that Stupid????
Or does she think America is? Fuck, I cannot stand her.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:21 PM
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6. I don't know the legislation she was referring to -- do you?
And yes, she is that stupid -- she is totally clueless.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:43 PM
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8. #7 Pretty well sums it up
it's a worthless gesture for the media a dumbasses to eat up, so that the dem leadership can say, "See..... we tried to do something." While at the same time doing nothing about Bush and allowing him and his cohorts to bankrupt America.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:03 PM
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9. Man, I didn't want to hear that -- but I'm totally not surprised. Sigh. Thanks. nt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:08 PM
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12. I Know Man
I was really pissed when I first read about it.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:08 PM
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16. Dems are complicit...
maybe if we had started Impeachment hearings showing that we know W is a criminal along with his policies, we wouldn't have this selling frenzy.

The financial house of cards along with the $450 TRILLION of default derivatives are collapsing. There is no seat belt strong enough...
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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:47 PM
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18. Totally Correct
Even a failed impeachment would have brought the hound to heal. By failing to act they empowered him, what does he fear from those too cowardly to act when they had him by the short hairs
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:44 PM
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17. if she's talking about Bush's proposed tax rebates, she IS clueless.
The rebates are akin to giving New Orleans a bag of 8-penny nails after Katrina.

Typical government solution. Throw 'em a Bandaid. Don't address the root causes of the economic problems. But the check will pacify 'em long enough to re-elect us in November.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 07:32 PM
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20. I Think She Must Be
No person could be that viciously cynical and live.
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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:23 PM
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7. Its A Plan
to give tax rebates to citizens $800 for individuals $1,600 for familes. When Bernanke spoke the other day he talked about how soon the treasury could gear up to print checks. Taking about before March no later than June.

The fact that Bush is on board from day one gives you an idea of just how serious the situation has become
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:04 PM
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10. Does anyone know any of the details? Such as,
will you have to count it as income when you file your 2008 return?

The Monkey wouldn't be on board if there weren't a catch somewhere.
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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:34 PM
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14. Remember
when you played Monopoly as a kid how the winner would give you money to keep you in the game? Thats the catch the whole thing is freezing up because most people no longer have any discretionary income, food heat and gas
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 08:23 PM
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21. Yes, it is income. You do have to declare it. Even though it's your tax dollars.
In other words, George says: Screw you. If you weren't so lazy you'd be rich!


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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 11:26 PM
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22. That's what I figured. IIRC, the last "rebate" was like that, too...
The American people need to be told this. Might be "torches & pitchforks" time, if they knew. :hide:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:05 PM
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11. This does NOTHING to address the problems we're faced with. This is just
so fucking bizarre -- they KNOW what a farce the last measure like this was.

God, I'm pissed!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:22 PM
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13. ICEBERG!
So, the recession that started in Chimpy's third month in office was apparently Clinton's fault, how do you reckon they'll blame this one on the Dems?
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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:48 PM
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15. The Democratic Congress
wouldn't make Bushes tax cuts permanent and now its all gone to hell because of the Democrats. You know Bush, the lie doesn't have to make sense
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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:08 PM
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19. Tomorrow Today from the NZ hearld
Britain suffers record fall as markets plummet
7:36AM Tuesday January 22, 2008



Stockmarkets around the world continue to plunge with brokers concerned the trend will continue. Photo / Reuters

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LONDON - Britain's leading shares fell 5.48 per cent, suffering its largest one-day loss since September 11 2001, as the index tracked global markets lower on deepening fears of a possible US recession.

The FTSE 100 closed down 323.5 points at 5,578.2, its lowest close since June 2006 and wiping nearly 77 billion pounds from the value of its constituent stocks.

EUROPE - European shares fell nearly 6 per cent, their biggest one-day slide since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, as fears of a US recession and more write downs in the financial sector sparked a broad-based selloff.

"This is like a panic. It's like out, out, out (of stocks). Run for cover," said Dirk Mueller, a trader at Frankfurt brokerage ICF. "There is a very ugly sense of capitulation and the worst thing is that we can't see where it will all end," said Javier Galan, fund manager at Spanish brokerage Renta 4.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/3/story.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10488087
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:36 AM
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23. "We're confident that the global economy will continue to grow" . . .
and therein lies the fallacy -- infinite growth in a finite world is impossible . . . always has been, always will be . . .

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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:26 PM
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24. Well said. Rec'd. n/t
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