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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:02 PM
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10 Myths About Canadian Health Care, Busted
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19299.htm

I'm both a health-care-card-carrying Canadian resident and an uninsured American citizen who regularly sees doctors on both sides of the border. As such, I'm in a unique position to address the pros and cons of both systems first-hand. If we're going to have this conversation, it would be great if we could start out (for once) with actual facts, instead of ideological posturing, wishful thinking, hearsay, and random guessing about how things get done up here.

1. Canada's health care system is "socialized medicine."
False. In socialized medical systems, the doctors work directly for the state. In Canada (and many other countries with universal care), doctors run their own private practices, just like they do in the US. The only difference is that every doctor deals with one insurer, instead of 150. And that insurer is the provincial government, which is accountable to the legislature and the voters if the quality of coverage is allowed to slide.

The proper term for this is "single-payer insurance." In talking to Americans about it, the better phrase is "Medicare for all."

2. Doctors are hurt financially by single-payer health care.
True and False. Doctors in Canada do make less than their US counterparts. But they also have lower overhead, and usually much better working conditions. A few reasons for this:

First, as noted, they don't have to charge higher fees to cover the salary of a full-time staffer to deal with over a hundred different insurers, all of whom are bent on denying care whenever possible. In fact, most Canadian doctors get by quite nicely with just one assistant, who cheerfully handles the phones, mail, scheduling, patient reception, stocking, filing, and billing all by herself in the course of a standard workday.

Second, they don't have to spend several hours every day on the phone cajoling insurance company bean counters into doing the right thing by their patients. My doctor in California worked a 70-hour week: 35 hours seeing patients, and another 35 hours on the phone arguing with insurance companies. My Canadian doctor, on the other hand, works a 35-hour week, period. She files her invoices online, and the vast majority are simply paid -- quietly, quickly, and without hassle. There is no runaround. There are no fights. Appointments aren't interrupted by vexing phone calls. Care is seldom denied (because everybody knows the rules). She gets her checks on time, sees her patients on schedule, takes Thursdays off, and gets home in time for dinner.

One unsurprising side effect of all this is that the doctors I see here are, to a person, more focused, more relaxed, more generous with their time, more up-to-date in their specialties, and overall much less distracted from the real work of doctoring. You don't realize how much stress the American doctor-insurer fights put on the day-to-day quality of care until you see doctors who don't operate under that stress, because they never have to fight those battles at all. Amazingly: they seem to enjoy their jobs.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:24 PM
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1. This would take care of the horror for many users in the American
medical system. "every doctor deals with one insurer, instead of 150. And that insurer is the provincial government, which is accountable to the legislature and the voters if the quality of coverage is allowed to slide."

This is beautiful reason for removing the insurance co. They cause everyone trouble.

" My doctor in California worked a 70-hour week: 35 hours seeing patients, and another 35 hours on the phone arguing with insurance companies. My Canadian doctor, on the other hand, works a 35-hour week, period. She files her invoices online, and the vast majority are simply paid -- quietly, quickly, and without hassle. There is no runaround. There are no fights. Appointments aren't interrupted by vexing phone calls. Care is seldom denied (because everybody knows the rules). She gets her checks on time, sees her patients on schedule, takes Thursdays off, and gets home in time for dinner."
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 05:20 PM
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2. thanks for posting
I'm a Canadian, and I have several physicians and other health care personnel in my family. I've never heard any of them wanting to go to the US system -- and believe me these are people who will complain at the drop of a hat.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:10 PM
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3. Interesting...thanks a lot for telling it
like it is.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:40 PM
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4. Thank the person who wrote the article ;-)
Sorry about the confusion, I was just quoting the first few paragraphs.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:30 AM
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5. Not that I don't believe the author.
But, without accrediation critics would say its just an opinion piece.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:01 AM
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6. That's why it's in "editorials" :-)
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 01:42 PM
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8. usually there is more of a hook to data, tho.
editorials can still name soureces and provide more than opinions. Still, I know she is right by readings elsewhere.
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secularvoter Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 08:19 AM
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7. Big advocate of single payer
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 08:20 AM by secularvoter
The benefits of a single payer system are so obvious, the only real opposition is from the insurance industry who lobbies to confuse everyone, as expected.

The efficiency that comes from a single payer system should be obvious.

Secondly, the other great benefit, which Democrats seems never to pick up on, is how much it helps employers.

Not only do doctors have to deal with less red tape and less crap, but it eliminates dealing with health care from employers, thereby reducing a tremendous amount of overhead from them as well.

Not only do they of course, then not have to pay for their employee's health insurance, but they also don't have to pay for the overheard of managing ti either.

Add to this the other benefits for employees, such as the fact that now your health coverage doesn't change every time you switch jobs, and you don't lose your health coverage if you lose your job (when you need it most), and this reduces or eliminates workplace discrimination based on medical conditions.

The advantages of single payer are overwhelming, and its only goes to show the extent to which our media is really controlled by corporate interest that these advantages aren't more clearly understood by average Americans.
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maritzasmithens Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 06:59 PM
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9. i favor single payer system
It's the way to go and it's proven to be effective in many places.
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