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waterdancer Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:34 AM
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Philip Giraldi: What FBI whistle-blower Sibel Edmonds found in translation
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 04:37 AM by waterdancer
Source: Dallas Morning News

Most Americans have never heard of Sibel Edmonds, and if the U.S. government has its way, they never will.

The former FBI translator turned whistle-blower tells a chilling story of corruption at Washington's highest levels – sale of nuclear secrets, shielding of terrorist suspects, illegal arms transfers, narcotics trafficking, money laundering, espionage. She may be a first-rate fabulist, but Ms. Edmonds' account is full of dates, places and names. And if she is to be believed, a treasonous plot to embed moles in American military and nuclear installations and pass sensitive intelligence to Israeli, Pakistani and Turkish sources was facilitated by figures in the upper echelons of the State and Defense Departments. Her charges could be easily confirmed or dismissed if classified government documents were made available to investigators.

But Congress has refused to act, and the Justice Department has shrouded Ms. Edmonds' case in the state-secrets privilege...

After five years of thwarted legal challenges and fruitless attempts to launch a congressional investigation, Sibel Edmonds is telling her story, though her defiance could land her in jail... the news quickly spread around the world – but not in the United States


Read more: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-sibeledmonds_17edi.ART.State.Edition1.45b446a.html



Breaking news, because this is the first coverage in a major US newspaper, commentary section or otherwise...

digg, etc. the Dallas AM news story with this addthis link

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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:58 AM
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1. I just watched "Kill the Messenger" tonight .. and have been following Sibel's story
for quite awhile. Here are links to it if you haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99lH4B3slGM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1991080575212848283

Thanks for posting this.

BTW: I tried to send you a private message but wasn't allowed for some reason. I'm fascinated by your handle
and wanted to ask you about it.
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waterdancer Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:05 AM
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6. sorry, I guess I don't have PM privileges yet
not enough posts, or something.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:18 AM
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10. no problemo.
is this your page?
http://waterdancer.stumbleupon.com/tag/documentary/

So I gather you've been to Harbin a few times?
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waterdancer Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:27 AM
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13. yes and yes
the link wouldn't work for me, but that's my stumbleupon link url at the beginning. And I have been to Harbin a few times.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:30 AM
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14. Me too.
but only once. peace out. :hi:
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:04 PM
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79. Sibel Edmonds is a Great Human Being
Personally, I am against all government corruption. Generally, I like Rep. Waxman a lot. I wish he had bigger Balls. I do not care who gets removed from office. Everyone who abuses their positions in government should be charged, go to trial.
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:02 AM
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2. Had to check and make sure...
that it was the Dallas Morning News as in Dallas Texas U.S.A. and not Dalas Egypt (North of Beni Suef)
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:03 AM
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4. LOL - that's a hoot. I LOVE that it's a major TEXAS newspaper. Listen up Dubya. nt
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jordi_fanclub Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:14 AM
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8. sure...
The Dallas Morning News is located in downtown Dallas near Reunion Arena, next door to WFAA-TV Ch. 8.
Street address: 508 Young St., Dallas, TX 75202
Main phone number: 214-977-8222
http://www.dallasnews.com/customerservice/HelpCenter.do?ft :kick:
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Demagitator Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:03 AM
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3. I know why the MSM will not cover this....
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 05:08 AM by Demagitator
The media and the American public-- can't handle the truth.

Especially, after 9/11 we live in a escapist society... a culture of diversion and illusion.

It will probably not change in our lifetimes, because -- frankly -- to many people feed off of fear, which creates the security state of mind that people seek, thus we have a security state, and authoritarian society -- rather then a democratic society.

Most people from other cultures like Ms. Edmond's don't understand this; because they only think of America; as from what they see in the media. Does the media seek the truth? Can the US media handle the truth? Can it now, or has in in the last 30 or 40 years?
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:45 AM
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48. I think you are exactly right
What she describes has huge scary implications. Much easier to believe she's a lying nutter than to acknowledge that kind of corruption. Sad fact is we NEED a revolution but nobody wants the inconvenience of fighting it.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #3
84. the truth might jar America out of their LazyBoy's and into the streets
can't have that.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:04 AM
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5. Great to see this here finaly
Let's hope it gets some traction soon.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:09 AM
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7. But Congress has refused to act.....
so what's new ?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:16 AM
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9. Interesting. Dallas Morning News eh?
That's getting closer.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:13 AM
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36. The DaMN!, as we used to call it.
The Dallas Mourning News is a publication of the $1.6-billion Belo Corporation. The DaMN! is basically R/W, but they do have a couple of enlightened writers, and every now and then one can get a rare glimpse of truth in those pages.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:34 PM
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60. Anyone else see a pattern here, with right wing ownership HELPING get this story out?...
First you have the American Conservative Magazine, which I'm told is owned by Patrick Buchanan amongst others.

Then there's the London Times, who's owned by Rupert Murdoch, getting all of the real recent breakout articles for her.

Then there's the New York Post, another Rupert Murdoch owned paper, who slammed Hillary for having ties to a financier from Turkey who also seems to be in this mess that Sibel is covering.

Now this paper sounds like it is also a paper of right wing ownership too. The timing of this all happening recently also is curious too.

Hmm... I don't for a minute feel that the right wing has more ethics than the left when trying to cover a huge and controversial story like this, as I'm sure the rest of you here don't. But could it be that this is a new strategy to try and "recreate" the image of the more right wing media as the bastion and deliverer of truth than the "left wing" media that so much of the other mainstream media out there that have less right wing leanings, but are still corporate owned and being muzzled at this point? Now you might question why they would work against the Bush administration and those in power by doing this. Had this sort of thing been done a few years ago, I'd ask the same question.

But perhaps they realize that they have a losing hand now both in the coming elections, and with Bush as well, and are trying to resurrect something by bringing down what people are increasingly distrusting as a "complicit" and corporate Democratic Party along with them. If they make it a free for all by also making the people want to move away from the Democrats AS WELL as the old Republicans, perhaps they feel they can put their next generation of neocons in place instead of the Democrats in the coming election. These articles, etc. might be tests to see if they can get more of the Ron Paul types out there to push a new neocon hegenomy that is unkown at this point to replace the "loser" neocon system that is in place now.

I think we need to be careful and completely qualify how it was the neocons and their ilk that have controlled the corporations that are responsible for this mess to start with, and that the complicitness of the Democrats is coming from their corruption of the Democratic Party, not the core of the traditional Democratic Party that has been squeezed out of power the ones that are complicit.

If we can tactfully prevent any right wing folks from taking sole credit and claiming that they are the "protectors of truth", perhaps we can prevent this currently what appears to be "trial balloon" strategy they might be using from happening, and turn their efforts against them and use it to build a ground swell of support to get the real truth out to the public.

One newspaper I think we should HEAVILY target with LTTE's, etc. is the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. It is a McClatchy owned paper (served by the great McClatchy Washington Bureau), and is in the Dallas Fort Worth area. If enough people write and call in to them and pressure them to cover this news that their competitor has covered in their market, it will be helpful to let them know that such news cannot be buried in a local market like that with heavier emphasis on their election and upcoming primaries that are coming shortly. And that they are being watched as well for their responsibilities to inform the public, and not always bow down to corporate censors.

http://www.star-telegram.com/

And perhaps, feeling direct pressure from the Dallas Morning News, you are more apt to get a significant LTTE printed there too than you might with other more remote U.S. publications. Heck, if we can make it a big enough story in Dallas quickly, perhaps we can make it a big story for the candidates and those covering the election to deal with too, which will echo it nationally.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:11 PM
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65. Elections are coming up. It is time for the lunatic right wing fringe
to move back to the center. Or at least make it appear they are, 'till after the elections when they will slam far right to hanging way over the precipice again.
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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:31 PM
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71. The right wing covering Sibel Edmonds.
I've noticed. It is an interesting phenomena. This story could be bigger than the famous spy scandals of the 20th century (including illegal nuke sales). If anyone involved is trying to frame this story they had better be careful, the blowback could get ugly.

As you pointed out in another post here, this is an interesting comparison.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3185663#3185728
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #71
91. Now the National Review online blog has coverage too! The pattern continues!
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #60
88. BINGO FOR YOU, REMEMBER THEY CREATED BUSH
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #60
89. I've been working on McClatchy for the better part of a year.
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 07:58 AM by mmonk
In fact, I emailed a contact I have on their DC desk this story and told them I wished it had been them that ran it (to emphasize they had the information).
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:20 AM
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11. The allied forces are not covering this
with an exeption to the UK. But here in Holland (where we once had our hands on A.Q. Khan, but let him go under CIA orders) there's not been a single story in a major newspaper or blog. It's being stonewalled for the obvious reasons - everybody is involved.
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Demagitator Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:24 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Excellent point
:rofl:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:33 AM
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15. glad to see this in the US news media
and I hope that it lasts more than one news cycle.

Welcome to DU, waterdancer!

:hi:
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waterdancer Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:48 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. thx for the welcome
I've been here off and on for quite awhile, but mostly just to read and "lurk"...
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:07 AM
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17. But...but...but...I was informed that conspiracies don't exist, no one ever conspires to do wrong?
:sarcasm:
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Deny and Shred Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #17
39. Right, only lone nuts. Two or more have never hatched a plan
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:19 AM
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47. And those of us who NOTICED the last 30-40yrs of BushInc's crimewave are just 'whackos'
eh?
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The_Warmth Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:51 AM
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18. Let's roll with this one...
If Dallas News can print it, our local papers can too. Write up your commentaries and LTTE, be relentless folks, we can take down this junta for good with this one. This goes back from Richard Burlow to AQ Khan, and from BCCI to Brewster Jennings and Valerie Plame. These kids need to go back to school, let's get 'em back on the bus.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #18
25. Just did, and added it to an ongoing discussion forum where the repugs
come out in droves. Unfortunately you cannot start posts there, so it got added to the closest political ongoing Bill Clinton bashing post
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #18
38. Richard Burlow?
Do you mean Richard Barlow?
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davepdx Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:07 AM
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42. Let the editors of you local newspapers know about this.
I just now sent an email to the editor of the Oregonian stressing the importance of this story. I included the link to the Dallas Morning News commentary. If more people do this then hopefully the story will get more press coverage.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:57 AM
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19. Anyone know whether this is in the print version of the Dallas Morning News?
Or is it only online?

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east texas lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #19
37. It is indeed in print...
Dallas Morning News, Sunday edition February 17, 2008, section P, page 6.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #37
78. I bought a paper this morning.
It's too big for my scanner, but I think I'm going to frame it and put it on the wall.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:10 AM
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20. waxman lied to her
Prior to 2006, Rep. Henry Waxman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee allegedly promised Ms. Edmonds that if the Democrats gained control of Congress, he would order hearings into her charges. But following the Democratic sweep, he has been less forthcoming. It is suspected that Mr. Waxman fears that the revelations might open a Pandora's box, damaging Republicans and Democrats alike.

:grr:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. No wonder, you should see Pandora's Box...
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:37 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. Both parties are going down if this gets air.
Big time.

Even this web site is complicit.

9-11 Truthers aren't welcome here.

Ever wonder why?
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #22
43. probably has to do with Tin Foil Hattery?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:33 PM
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67. The INSLAW thread was allowed to remain in GD, so I would say...

this website is cool on that account. The funding of various 9-11 related activities needs to be differentiated from the mechanics of how 9-11 was pulled off (which more often than not extends into tinfoil hat territory). Unfortunately the defenders of the status quo will lump it all together under the "truther movement" and try to point out that just because the MSM doesn't cover any of it then none of it must be true.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #67
72. And the mods thankfully didn't take down this story either though it had a "questionable" site link
I'm thankful they exercised good judgement in letting this one go, which also has a lot of reference to what's happening with Sibel's story now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2855600
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #67
74. Woops, I guess you and I spoke to soon....
I guess us "conspiracy theorists" have to keep "editorializing" the truth to more people and get more people interested in "editorial comment" than the lame content that passes for "news" these days! :(
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. I've had that happen before...

you have to be really careful with what's considered "news" around here.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:59 AM
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87. THE TRUTH IS SO MONSTROUS THAT WE CAN'T HANDLE IT
GO BACK TO WATCHING THE SOAPS.

DEMOCRACY IS JUST TOO MUCH OF A BOTHER
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:05 AM
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34. that is only one aspect
there is also the involvement of Israeli spys from AIPAC . Waxman won't touch that.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #34
66. That's probably because these spying cases...
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 03:29 PM by AntiFascist
are also intimately tied into the alleged use of the software, according to several different sources. The Pollard case, Maxwell, even Vince Foster...how many people know about that one? I should also mention a few whistleblowers who may not always mention the software explicitely, but the money laundering surrounding their spying allegations fits the MO: Sibel Edmonds, Indira Singh and even Bill White.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:42 AM
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23. You can see Waxman on this Youtube video
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 07:53 AM by JohnyCanuck
at a town hall meeting in Santa Monica CA. give a straight out "no" to an audience member asking for hearings into the Sibel Edmonds case. It's around the 5 minute mark. Also at the end of the clip he is again asked about Sibel Edmonds, just before he runs from the podium like a scared puppy.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wei_hJdwkxY

Edited to clarify. Waxman actually responded to a request by an audience member as to when he would hold hearings into Sibel Edmonds' case by stating that he had no intention at the moment to hold hearings.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #20
41. Do we have independent confirmation that Waxman actually made such a promise?
Or are we taking Ms. Edmonds' word on this?
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:11 AM
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24. K&R
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:16 AM
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26. Comparison to see Dallas Morning News considered not safe or worth to print
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 08:26 AM by lostnfound
Thought it might be interesting to compare this essay in the Dallas Morning News to the one originally published in the American Conservative magazine found the following changes -- what might be too hot to handle, simply too lengthy, or deemed not of interest to Dallas Morning News readers.

The key paragraphs were removed about Grossman, as well as numerous other named politicians -- which I hope is due to a concern about being sued. This was removed:

Her allegations are not insignificant. Among them: Edmonds claims that Marc Grossman—ambassador to Turkey from 1994-97 and undersecretary of state for political affairs from 2001-05—was a person of interest to the FBI and had his phone tapped by the Bureau in 2001 and 2002. In the third-highest position at State, Grossman wielded considerable power personally and within the Washington bureaucracy. He had access to classified information of the highest sensitivity from the CIA, NSA, and Pentagon, in addition to his own State Department. On one occasion, Grossman was reportedly recorded making arrangements to pick up a cash bribe of $15,000 from an ATC contact. The FBI also intercepted related phone conversations between the Turkish Embassy and the Pakistani Embassy that revealed sensitive U.S. government information was being sold to the highest bidder. Grossman, who emphatically denies Edmonds’s charges, is currently vice chairman of the Cohen Group, founded by Clinton defense secretary William Cohen, where he reportedly earns a seven-figure salary, much of it coming from representing Turkey.
After 9/11, Grossman reportedly intervened with the FBI to halt the interrogation of four Turkish and Pakistani operatives. According to Edmonds, Grossman was called by a Turkish contact who told him that the men had to be released before they told what they knew. Grossman said that he would take care of it and, per Edmonds, the men were released and allowed to leave the country.
Edmonds states that FBI phone taps from late 2001 reveal that Grossman tipped off his Turkish contact regarding the CIA weapons proliferation cover unit Brewster Jennings, which was being used by Valerie Plame, and that the Turk then informed the Pakistani intelligence service representative in Washington. It is to be assumed that the information was then passed on to the A.Q. Khan nuclear proliferation network.
Edmonds also claims that Grossman was instrumental in seeding Turkish and Israeli Ph.D. students into major American research labs by godfathering visas and enabling security clearances. She says that she reviewed transcripts in which the moles in the U.S. military and academic community involved in nuclear technology reportedly carried out several “transactions” involving the sale of nuclear material or information relating to nuclear programs every month, with Pakistan being a primary buyer. In the summer of 2000, the FBI recorded a meeting between a Turkish official and two Saudi businessmen in Detroit in which nuclear information stolen from an Air Force base in Alabama was offered: “We have a package and we’re going to sell it for $250,000,” the wiretap allegedly recorded. “The network appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States,” Edmonds told the Times.
She further reports that beginning in 1999, the FBI was investigating senior Pentagon officials who were assisting agents of foreign governments, including Turkey and Israel. Edmonds has not publicly named names at the Pentagon, but a website linked to her appears to be a non-incriminating instrument for identifying suspects without doing so directly. Its “rogues gallery” includes photos of Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. Perle was chief of the Pentagon’s prestigious Defense Policy Board when Edmonds was working at the FBI, and Feith was undersecretary of defense for policy. If either were being investigated, it would be a matter of record, as would any reasons for dropping the investigation. “If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials,” Edmonds told the Times.
She claims to have also learned that corrupt officials in the Turkish and Israeli Ministries of Defense falsified end-user certificates on weapons purchased in the United States to enable sales to third countries not allowed access to the technology. Principal recipients include the five “Stans” in central Asia—Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Kazakhstan.
Furthermore, Edmonds says that former House speaker Dennis Hastert and at least two other congressmen were investigated as suspected recipients of illegal political contributions or even bribes from Turkish sources. Her website gallery includes photos of Congressmen Roy Blount, Dan Burton, and Tom Lantos, though she has not otherwise implicated any of the three directly.


and replaced with:

Her allegations are not insignificant. Among them: Ms. Edmonds claims that a former top State Department official was a person of interest to the FBI and had his phone tapped by the bureau in 2001 and 2002. Because of his senior-level position, this man had access to classified information of the highest sensitivity from the CIA, NSA and Pentagon, in addition to his own State Department.
Ms. Edmonds alleges to have heard evidence linking him to bribery from an ATC contact, to his intervening with the FBI to halt the interrogation of four Turkish and Pakistani intelligence operatives, and helping seed U.S. nuclear facilities with Turkish and Israeli Ph.D. students who in turn sold nuclear secrets abroad, primarily to Pakistan. The accused, who emphatically denies Ms. Edmonds' charges, is now a senior executive at a Washington lobbying firm.


Various other parts also deleted by the Dallas Morning News editors or writer:
Edmonds refers to ATC and AIPAC as “sister organizations.” The group’s founders include a number of prominent Americans involved in the Israel-Turkey relationship, notably Henry Kissinger, Brent Scowcroft, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and former congressman Stephen Solarz. Perle and Feith had earlier been registered lobbyists for Turkey through Feith’s company, International Advisors Inc."

"where she (Edmonds) received degrees in criminal justice and psychology from George Washington University"

"Charismatic and articulate, the 37-year-old Edmonds has deftly worked the system to get as much of her story out as possible, on one occasion turning to French television to produce a documentary entitled “Kill the Messenger.”

"One translator, Melek Can Dickerson, who had worked for three Turkish front organizations under investigation—she failed to reveal this when applying for employment—allegedly stamped many documents of interest “not pertinent,” removed classified documents from FBI premises, and forged signatures on classified documents relating to 9/11 detainees. An Urdu translator was the daughter of a Pakistani Embassy employee who worked for Gen. Mahmoud Ahmad, the head of the Pakistani intelligence service who is accused of authorizing a $100,000 wire transfer to Mohammed Atta’s Dubai bank account immediately before 9/11. The Justice Department IG report confirmed Edmonds’s charge that translators’ section managers issued a go-slow order shortly after the terrorist attacks to create an artificial backlog that would justify an increase in budget and manpower. Those managers are reportedly still in place. Some have been promoted."

"One such anonymous letter, the veracity of which cannot be determined, cites transcripts of wiretaps involving Marc Grossman and a Turkish Embassy official between August and December 2001, described above, in which Grossman warned the Turk that Brewster Jennings was a CIA cover company. If the allegation can be documented from FBI files, the exposure of the Agency cover mechanism took place long before journalist Robert Novak outed the company in his column on Valerie Plame in 2003. The anonymous informant conveniently provides the FBI file number containing the transcripts of the recorded conversations: FBI Washington Field Office, Counterintelligence Division, Turkish Unit File 203A-WF-210023. According to the source, the FBI also recorded a subsequent conversation in which a Turkish official contacted the Pakistani Embassy to inform an ISI officer of Grossman’s warning. The FBI also reportedly informed the CIA of the Grossman conversations to determine if there was any “conflict of interest,” presumably to determine if the CIA was running its own operation that might be compromised as a result of the phone tap."


I am particularly amused by the deletion of this sentence:
"It would have been much simpler for the government to marginalize her by demonstrating that she was poorly informed or speculating about matters outside her competency."
and this one
"It {the security gag order} has recently been used to conceal the illegal wiretaps of the warrantless surveillance program, the allegations of torture and the CIA’s rendition program, and to shield the telecom industry for its collaboration in illegal eavesdropping."

because it is a reality of a propaganda technique used regularly by the government which Am Conservative readers are assumed to be aware of, but Dallas Morning News readers aren't. Of course, if you have reporters and editors held to a severe standard of needing to "PROVE" any such accusations of our pure-as-the-driven-snow government body, they will choose to delete this sentence with a critical eye as an unfounded supposition.

The Dallas Morning News substituted this:
""Prior to 2006, Rep. Henry Waxman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee allegedly promised Ms. Edmonds that if the Democrats gained control of Congress, he would order hearings into her charges. But following the Democratic sweep, he has been less forthcoming. It is suspected that Mr. Waxman fears that the revelations might open a Pandora's box, damaging Republicans and Democrats alike."

for this:
Prior to 2006, Congressman Henry Waxman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee promised Edmonds that if the Democrats gained control of Congress, he would order hearings into her charges. But following the Democratic sweep, he has been less forthcoming, failing to schedule hearings, refusing to take Edmonds’s calls, and recently stonewalling all inquiries into the matter. It is generally believed that Waxman, a strong supporter of Israel, is nervous about exposing an Israeli lobby role in the corruption that Edmonds describes. It is also suspected that Waxman fears that the revelations might open a Pandora’s box, damaging Republicans and Democrats alike.



Also deleted:
Another objection is that Edmonds would only have seen “raw intelligence” that does not provide nuance and does not really indicate whether someone is guilty. That argument has merit, and it is undeniable that many intercepted communications lack context. But it ignores the fact that someone recorded in the act of taking a bribe or interceding to have a suspect in a criminal investigation released is behaving with a certain transparency. One either takes money or does not. There is very little interpretation that can change that reality.


Reworded
Am Con version:
"The FBI was interested in ATC because it suspected that the group derived at least some of its income from drug trafficking, Turkey being the source of 90 percent of the heroin that reaches Europe,"
Dallas Morning News changed to:
"The FBI was interested in the ATC because it suspected that the group might be tangentially tied to drug trafficking"

Added by the Dallas Morning News
(In 2005, a spokesperson for the ATC denied to Vanity Fair magazine that the organization has ever been involved in illegal payment or espionage activities.)
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Demagitator Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. The CIA has spooks in the State department -- and in corporate media....
It is simply standard procedure to cover up for them; it would of worked, but they have become so large -- they then become easy targets, and exposed for what they are (simply cogs in the Military-Industrial-complex) -- funded by the Corporate welfare system. Knowledge of this can cause great financial risk to the American economy, etc.

If you choose to accept this mission to expose this; become a liberal.... this tape will self destruct in 30 seconds.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:23 AM
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27. It is VITALLY IMPORTANT that you email the Dallas News article
to everyone on your Contacts page. This is the first real coverage that the story that's set the world's newsrooms on fire has gotten here in the US. People who would roll their eyes when you tried to talk about it will PAY ATTENTION. We cannot let this opportunity pass us by. You KNOW the blogosphere can push stories up into the corporate media by bringing constant attention here.

So email this until it becomes the "most emailed story" on the Dallas News' pages. ."Digg it", "DEL.icio.us" it, "Google bookmark" it, "facebook" it, "Fark" it,"reddit" it!!

I will be kicking this thread, probably through Tuesday.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. Mail the original essay from AmConservative along WITH it
The additional details edited out of the Dallas Morning News piece are vital to anyone willing to read it..
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #27
45. most emailed? (not yet)
c'mon folks.... 10 friggin emails??

Most popular stories sent in the last 24 hours

Rank Headline Sent
1 Exclusive: Dallas County DA's office finds cache of JFK memorabilia 21
2 Stability eludes Texas Youth Commission a year after sex scandal broke
Officials see evolution, confusion, seek fifth leader since first reports 18
3 Barack Obama bringing campaign to Dallas-Fort Worth
Wednesday appearance comes a day before debate in Austin 17
4 Medical insurers Aetna, Cigna agree to pay for online doctor visits 12
5 Attack on Plano woman could be work of serial rapist, police say 11
6 Ex-Ursuline Academy teacher gets probation for sexual contact with student 11
7 Philip Giraldi: What FBI whistle-blower Sibel Edmonds found in translation
FBI whistle-blower Sibel Edmonds has spilled her secrets, says PHILIP GIRALDI. Why is her story being covered up? 10
8 Barack Obama bringing campaign to Dallas-Fort Worth
Wednesday appearance comes a day before debate in Austin 8
9 Dallas-area schools stretch to meet Texas' P.E. requirements 8
10 Oklahoma's crackdown on illegal immigration draws Texas lawmakers' interest
Crackdown on illegal immigration draws criticism, Texas interest 7
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #27
49. Kicking the tin can up the street
Just can't expect this story to compete with a story on JFK memorabilia now can we? Thanks America!
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #27
50. I facebooked it
:kick:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:37 AM
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30. Maybe someday us conspiracy theorists will get some respect!
:tinfoilhat:

We tired of getting treated like Rodney Dangerfield!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:41 AM
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31. Each time I try to bring up the Dallas News link it hangs up my computer
...and kicks me out of DU. I've attempted the link four times now and it does the same thing each time
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Bunkie0913 Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #31
58. Me Too
Way earlier this morning, I clicked the link and read the entire article. I posted it on another discussion forum and was told the link didn't work. I returned here and tried the link again and it froze my computer and shut down the internet several times. I don't know what the deal is but I do know it worked before and now it doesn't.
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carincross Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:59 AM
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32. Will the Dallas Morning News now report the Hillary connection
I would think that Philip Giraldi's credentials and the fact that the article was first published in the American Conservative have provided "cover" for the Dallas Morning News. I wonder if they will now publish a story about the connection between Hillary and Turkish businessman and filmmaker, Mehmet Celebi. Luke Ryland recently reported that Sibel Edmonds has connected Mr. Celebi to the narcotics trade and the bribing of US officials.

Luke Ryland's article is available here: http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/02/key-clinton-backer-guilty-in-sibel.html
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #32
73. Good point, I wonder if...

she might be behind congressional question mark Number 1.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:04 AM
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33. Wow..
.... the Dallas Morning News is that LAST newspaper I would expect to see this in. Wow.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:10 AM
Response to Original message
35. Rid America of the republicon homelander traitors
k & r
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:59 AM
Response to Original message
40. Make "Sibel Edmonds" a Household Name
K&R
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:19 AM
Response to Original message
44. Drip drip drip
K&R
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:06 AM
Response to Original message
46. drip drip drip
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
51. so, what are the betting odds on one of the biggies like Condi, Dickles, Dumbya
going to jail eventually? 100 to 1?


sounds like they, and not only the top people in the state & pentagon depts, may be involved also.


corrupt bastards.
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InsultComicDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:13 PM
Response to Original message
52. I've read this before
Isn't this Dallas News piece a reprint?
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. Yes, for one in the American Conservative at this link
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 12:31 PM by Agony
http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_01_28/article1.html

upthread (lostnfound post#26) there is an interesting discussion about the differences btwn the two.

-edit add post#
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InsultComicDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. ah yes.
I read the original when it was linked on Kos a while back.

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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:37 PM
Response to Original message
54. Apparently the DMN didn't print it quite accurately.
On a different forum, one fellow gave a link to the American Conservative article this one "copies" with a few interesting ommissions and downplaying. I know that a conservative mag isn't a great source for this site; but when you consider that it is publishing this story and more fully than others, it hits home that there is hope that this will finally be in the eyes of everyone, not just liberals, and that perhaps some conservatives are finally getting tired of being played. Here's the link,
in order to not copy someone else's post, I will simply mention that all comments relating to Isreal and various political players. Anyway, here it is for anyone that wants the fuller longer read.

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_01_28/article1.html
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:41 PM
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55. k & r
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:46 PM
Response to Original message
56. Finally a US news media broadcasts it
now CNN and MSNBC where are you

proves they are propoganda channels
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:31 PM
Response to Original message
59. A few months b4 becoming VP, Cheney was complaining as CEO of Halliburton that
he wanted to make it legal to sell Iran Halliburton products.

Problem was, you see, that a certain oil cap could also be used to explode a nuclear device.

He had also been selling on the black market as CEO and been fined 10 million
by the AEIC - who knows maybe it was Valerie Plame who had caught it.

In any case, gee, I wonder who the top administration officials involved in those sales were?

duh
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:39 PM
Response to Original message
61. While I can't help but be glad to see this story covered here at long last
(by one paper - jeez - what's wrong with these people?!), I do think we need to be wary of the psyops tactic of "inoculation"--that is, trickling information to the American public way late, way slow, and in bits and pieces, so that its impact is de-fused, and, if the full story ever gets currency, it's decades after the fact, some key participants are already dead, and all or many are out of power and of little interest.

This technique is especially useful for a story with a persistent whistleblower--who has not been successfully defamed, cannot be bribed, and has managed to avoid assassination or other silencing--so that some facts are getting out there to some people, and/or, if prosecutions or major revelations are pending (are about to burst upon the scene), and/or, a story that is getting play elsewhere , and that will inevitably start getting currency here. In the incredibly Byzantine world of present-day corporate 'news' monopolies/psyops, things can really get twisted, so that surprising publication in London, of a story that is potentially incredibly damaging to the war profiteer interests, is not really a revelation--it is an "inoculation"--beginning of a process of de-fusing the story.

The whistleblower and his/her supporters, of course, must get published wherever they can. They have no choice, even if it is an 'inoculation' strategy by their publishers, or some other ill motive. One other that springs to mind is that the story will be "managed" here to take down only Democrats and lesser players, letting the big fish get away. It is, indeed, extremely suspicious that this story is getting play here NOW, in the midst of a politically exciting Democratic presidential race, and never did before, throughout eight years of the most mind-boggling corruption, theft, mass murder and treason our country has ever seen.

This is just a warning--something to be wary of. I've followed several stories and trends in the corporate media very closely, and, let me tell you, the shit they have been pulling is incredibly devious and Byzantine. Be especially wary of falling for the hope that the corporate media is, at long last, going to bring this house of corruption down. I think the best things we can hope for are, further safety from assassination for whistleblowers (by their names and information becoming more widely known), and the long, slow, difficult process of informing and arousing the American people to take their country back--motivating people to undertake grass roots organization on vital items like the rigged voting machines. Only through the latter--transparent vote counting--will be ever be able to elect real representatives of the people--real public servants--who will act in our interest on matters like this, and conduct real investigations, and demand accountability, prosecution, impeachment, and removal and punishment of traitors and thieves, and who will also re-assert our sovereignty over global corporate predators (regulate them, bust up their monopolies, de-charter them, put them back in their place).

This is not to say: don't try to promulgate this story here. I think Sibel Edmonds' safety and enlightening other Americans are extremely important--whatever the motives of the corporate 'news' monopolies. We, too, have little choice but to try to use these "bad actor" news outlets in whatever way we can to inform and activate the American people.

------------------------

QUESTION FOR SIBEL EDMONDS EXPERTS: Why would Israeli agents facilitate nukes to Pakistan? (Wouldn't that put Israel in danger?)
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. I suspect something devious in the works too. Read my post above.
I'm guessing that it is NO coincidence of the timing of this story is right before the big primary there, where most eyes are glued to stories on Obama and Clinton, and distracted from any stories like this showing up. They can later claim as you state that they "covered" it, and that we as the people didn't care about it.

And as I note above, the pattern of right wing owned publications increasingly covering Sibel Edmonds' stories and the pattern of avoidance by folks like Waxman, etc. I think is being "engineered" to perhaps try and bring about some new "right wing" rennaissance of media dedicated to "the truth" over what has been ruling us by BOTH parties to this point that has failed us. With the amount of money funding these publications, as well as funding the disinformation and censorship in the other corporate media publications to prevent stories from showing up there in what are regarded as more "neutral" (though corporate) publications, I can see this sort of manipulation going on.

We need to be VERY careful how we endorse these publications, and pick apart carefully like another poster on this thread has how they are manipulating the story through edits to perhaps serve a larger and more nefarious purpose here, but not openly doing so so that we seal them up completely. We need to exploit them putting what they are out there now to newer eyeballs, but we need to ensure that those eyeballs aren't being propagandized into their world view through LTTE's, etc. that can fill in the gaps the way these publications might not want to have them filled to suit their purposes.
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Ironically it is having as much trouble
competing with the JFK memorabilia story as it is with presidential primary for coverage. It did finally make it into the top 5 most emailed stories side link...
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #61
86. My guess is...

the argument that Iran was too far behind in its nuclear weapon development to be a threat was gaining too much traction. Notice that we don't hear that argument so much lately. The radical right-wing elements in Israel probably will be willing to put Israel in some danger if it can bring the United States into war with Iran.

I noticed in certain stories about Brewster-Jennings that they may have been involved in providing false nuclear secrets to contacts with connections to countries like Iran in order to try and track the chain of procurement. In dealings like this, this is probably where corrupt factions within the government saw an opportunity to 1.) make a profit off of the deals and 2.) accelerate the conflict with Iran before the end of the Bush administration - or as Michel Ledeen is so fond of saying: "faster please".
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:07 PM
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64. Needed to Log on Just to Kick This
Peace to you Sibel.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:52 PM
Response to Original message
68. Please email the Dallas article to your contacts list!
We've got 24 hours to highlight this story on the page...
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:11 PM
Response to Original message
69. STILL not being reported as News, but Opinion
What is wrong with our newspapers that they cannot report on this??!!

I am beyond disgusted. We have an extremely serious problem with our "Free Press", how do we effectively address it? There must be a way!
Bill Clinton had what, a 65% approval rate during & after all those investigations? So with that, WHY did the witch hunts continue?

But watch 'the scales falling from their eyes' when a Democratic Pres. comes on the scene!

Did We the People not talk to the right individuals?
During the witch hunts I called and wrote many -- but never a Republican, because I felt they wouldn't listen, that it was a lost cause especially as being a Democrat, I wasn't really one of their 'constituency', even though some of them did represent my area...

When they start up again, pulling the witch hunts they did on the Clintons, we must do something!
Even if that includes every one of us calling each paper and the Republican politicians who instigate this crap to demand they stop!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:12 PM
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70. K & R
Good for the Dallas News. Now, come on all you other media channels and so called reporters here in the the U. S. Do your f*&%ing job!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:23 PM
Response to Original message
75. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, waterdancer.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:44 PM
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76. Kick and Recommend!
Nice to see this is getting some media attention!
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:24 PM
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80. why should I believe her? n/t
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. Congress took her seriously. And if they thought this was lies,
why didn't they say so? And why has she been gagged instead of exposed?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. if this were all lies, MSRNC and ConNN and Fox "News" would have
splattered it all over their screens like they did with Dan Rather's papers that proved Smirk is a cowardly deserter who's subject to a Court Martial.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:06 PM
Response to Original message
82. I think the corporations that run this country are worried that
if this becomes common knowledge, a few tens of millions of Americans will pry themselves out from in front of American idol and grab some torches and head for Pennsylvania ave.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:27 AM
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85. K&R!!!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:11 AM
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90. On a side note, looks like we missed a chance to nail Grossman again in public!
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:06 PM
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92. Warren Commission 'don't ask, don't tell' - ever
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