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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:05 AM
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Bill Clinton: The Bitter Half
Bill Clinton: The Bitter Half
Thursday, Feb. 28, 2008 By KAREN TUMULTY


With just over a week to go before the Ohio primary, Bill Clinton's arrival in Chillicothe was greeted as a homecoming of sorts. More than a few in the audience at the college gym could remember the first time he came to the city. It was 15 years before, almost to the day, and the new President was in town to sell his economic plan. The 46-year-old baby boomer had seemed the very embodiment of the freshness and change that the people of this downtrodden burg on the edge of Appalachia had been praying for. They were giddy when he jogged through Yoctangee Park with the mayor in 3�F (-16�C) weather and dropped by their new McDonald's for a decaf. But it was the hope in his words that thrilled them most of all. "None of us have all the answers," Clinton declared back then. "This is a new and uncharted time. And I want to encourage you to continue to believe in your country."

But today's Bill Clinton after a quadruple bypass has given up jogging in favor of long walks, and his hair is a halo of white. And he had come to deliver a very different message. Don't fall in love, he cautioned, simply because someone tells you that "we need to turn the page in America, and we need to adopt something fresh and new — whatever that is."

It is hard to miss the irony: the man from Hope is now trying to figure out how to tamp it down. But that tells you pretty much everything you need to know about the spot in which Bill Clinton finds himself today, as his wife's presidential campaign fights for its life in Ohio and Texas. What is harder to figure out is how much of the blame for her predicament belongs to him. "I think he just did her such damage," says a friend and supporter, expressing a sentiment that many feel privately. "They'll never see it that way, because they can't. And he has no self-knowledge. This has magnified all his worst traits."

Everyone around Hillary Clinton always recognized that Bill would be a mixed blessing for her campaign. Back in the pre-Obamamania days, her supporters assumed that no one could draw crowds, bring in money or ignite the base like the only Democratic President since F.D.R. to win re-election. Bill was considered the sharpest political strategist of his generation. And as public approval for President George W. Bush sank lower and lower, the Clinton years, for all their drama, were looking better and better. Yet there was always the worry about whether Bill would be able to stay within the constrained, derivative role of the candidate's spouse. The biggest fear was that he would shine too bright, burn too hot, consign the candidate to his shadow.

In a campaign that has turned out to be all about change, however, Bill's presence has become a reminder of the past and of the style of politics that Barack Obama has promised to bring to an end. Even worse, say many Democrats, Bill has put his wife's political career in jeopardy by displaying the same character traits that almost ran his own presidency off the rails — a lack of self-control and an excess of self-absorption. It hasn't always been clear whether Bill Clinton sees Obama as a threat to his wife's prospects, or to his own legacy.

On the campaign trail, Bill's way of grabbing the spotlight has reminded voters of what they didn't like about the last Clinton presidency and what might be wrong with the next one. Lobbyist and former Texas Lieut. Governor Ben Barnes, long a prolific donor to the Clintons and other Democrats, says the former President is — as everyone knew he would be — his wife's most powerful weapon. The problem is, says Barnes, who now supports Obama, "that gun kicks as bad as it shoots."

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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1717925,00.html
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:19 AM
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1. Where do you manage to find all the dirt
that you continuously post about the Clinton's? Chillicothe is a place I know about. I have many relatives there as both of my parents grew up there. You are either very rich or very poor in Chillicothe, with the poor outnumbering the rich. Jobs are not good in the area and the jobs available are low paying ones. Even those who are the poorest have been known to vote repub for lack of a better understanding of politics.I think it will go Democratic this time around as most embrace the hope for decent jobs with decent pay. This is nothing more than a hit piece judging from response from my relatives who like the Clinton's. They want experience and Obama falls a might short in that area.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:26 AM
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2. Time magazine? I'm very sorry if
you or your family have a problem with reality. I think this article is correct for the most part. I don't fawn at Clinton's feet and would respect him if I thought he deserved it. My opinion has gone decidedly downhill during this primary season, and I know I'm not alone.



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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:25 PM
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14. You might not fawn at Clinton's feet
But you sure do a good job of Obama ass kissing. You must spend your days scouring newspapers and online news looking for any dirt you can find on Clinton. It's getting downright laughable where some are concerned.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:20 PM
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17. Actually, the stuff I post is very easy to find. Now,
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 07:26 PM by babylonsister
if you'd get off your ass and actually contribute here (hey, why not try to find something positive about your candidate?:think:) instead of being so critical, it might be a more enjoyable experience for you. Because you sound vewy, vewy unhappy from where I'm sitting.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:28 AM
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3. Where? This is from Time magazine.
Is Time on your banned magazines list? The article seems like an accurate representation of Bill Clinton's status during this campaign. He's recently been traveling around Texas, often drawing crowds of 500 or less. Obama is the new bright, shining light that Bill Clinton once was. His impact on Hillary's campaign has been small to probably mostly negative.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:45 AM
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4. the question is . . .
Where does she find the TIME to post all this crap about BO? I think Tokyo rose has met her match.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:46 AM
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5. Whaaa! Whaaa! Thanks for the kick, and there's nothing wrong
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 10:47 AM by babylonsister
with posting positive things about my candidate. You really should try it, if you can find anything.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:07 PM
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13. Surely you jest. Is this your 1st visit to GD:P?
Have you been this animated about the dozens of threads attacking Obama's patriotism, garb-gate, his middle name, and on and on and on.........? Somehow I doubt it.

And there's nothing in that article that none of us didn't already know or at least suspect. Bill Clinton has been, undeniably, the worst thing to happen to HRC's campaign.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:16 AM
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6. I Defend To the Death Babylonsister's Right to Post
(especially since I've never seen her put up anything unresearched, dubious, or even poorly written!)

I feel for the Clinton supporters who have been betrayed by their candidate, but don't take it out on third parties! Put the blame where it belongs.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:30 AM
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8. Thanks a lot, Demeter. I appreciate that. nt
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:23 AM
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7. I've lost respect for the Clintons - just like Al Gore, they're relying to heavily upon
Campaign consultants (the "experts") and it's costing HRC dearly, just like it did Gore in 2000. What Obama lacks in experience, Hillary lacks in consistency and I attribute that directly to those advising her.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:26 PM
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9. I don't see this as a Clinton hit piece
I scanned it quickly - some interesting points.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:14 PM
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10. trying to gauge Bill Clinton
This is something I've wondered about a lot: how could the Clintons, the most politically astute couple to come along ever, crash and burn like they did. It was interesting to read this writer's take on it.

After nearly eight years of the bush disaster, however, is it any wonder how huge the change in America is? More, I think, than any one person could ever imagine.

Very interesting exploration. Thanks for posting it.



Cher
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:32 PM
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11. K&R
:kick:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:00 PM
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12. Recommended.........
Thanks for posting. Seems pretty accurate to me, no matter how big a trantrum the Clintonites throw.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:08 PM
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15. kickie.....
:kick:
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:51 PM
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16. Can't we all just get along?

Good god, people!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:26 PM
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18. K&R - I was looking forward to reading this article, babylonsister.
I saw a clip of the Editor on Morning Joe (or whatever it's called) discussing it. Thanks!

:hi:
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:38 PM
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19. Thanks, Babylon Hussein Sister
k&r
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:52 AM
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21. Ha! My new name!
:hi:
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phiddle Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:23 PM
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20. Bill Clinton: The man from Hopeless
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