Hillary wins Texas and Ohio. Obama fans turn rabid. Disturbing trend as Democrats turn on Democrats.

[Mugsy]

Via "Mugsy' Rap Sheet":

Hillary wins Texas and Ohio. Obama fans turn rabid.
Disturbing trend as Democrats turn on Democrats.

I stayed up late tonight to watch the returns here in Texas for the Primary results. Barack Obama led early, but Hillary Clinton slowly took a slight lead and clung to it for the rest of the night.

I lurked on a popular blog through most of the night and found myself in the surprising (and uncomfortable) position of defending Hillary Clinton against a barrage of childish name-calling, profanity and malapropisms towards Senator Clinton by throngs of disappointed "Obamaniacs".

The attacks ranged from the personal ("F***, Ohio! F***, Texas!), the nonsensical (one person comparing Hillary to "Zell Miller"), to the bizarre ("I'd vote for Bush again before I'd vote for Hillary!").

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This is dangerous, folks. Now, any longtime reader of this blog knows I am no Hillary supporter. Nor am I an Obama fan. But the Obama supporters definitely trend towards the younger set, and they are handling this election with all the maturity of... well... spoiled brats. Kids, too young to realize that Presidential campaigns typically aren't wrapped up by Spring. Hell, as I wrote last August, it wasn't until the late 60's that we even knew who the candidate would be until the Presidential Conventions in the Summer.

If Hillary does see a sudden reversal of fortune and somehow becomes the nominee, we need rally behind her. Realize that she... not Obama... has won SIX of the eight largest states: California, Texas, New York and Ohio (Florida & Michigan still very much up in the air as their Primaries were discounted) and with Pennsylvania still to come, while the only big state Obama has won is his home state of Illinois (Georgia and South Carolina round out the top ten, both for Obama). That's nothing to dismiss. As Democrats attack Democrats, you can just hear McCain's Campaign Manager smacking his lips repeating, "Divide & Conquer, Divide & Conquer!" The surest way to ensure another Republican is elected President (and enduring another catastrophic four years of Bush-enomics), is for a divided Democratic Party to act like a bunch of spoiled brats and threaten to stay home come November or "vote for Nader!" just because their candidate didn't get the nomination.

No need to worry about how either candidate will do in November against the Republicans. Forget what "the polls" say and just look at these numbers from Ohio last night:





With barely a 1/3rd of all precincts reporting, BOTH Hillary AND Obama have EACH raked in more votes than ALL the Republican candidates COMBINED! The final tallys:

Ohio: 2.2 million people showed up to vote in the Democratic Primary vs barely 1 million in the Republican Primary.

Texas: 2.8 million Democrats vs. 1.3 million Republicans... NEARLY TRIPLE the number of voters... in a VERY Red state.

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So relax people. A longer race is a GOOD thing. It vets the candidates, brings up issues and prepares them for what's to come as we near November.

Please read the full article on "Mugsy' Rap Sheet" before attacking the messenger... which ironically is EXACTLY what the article is about.

[moobu2]

1. They turn rabid whether they win or lose

They’re just rabid and disturbing period.

[Warren Stupidity]

6. So you are writing off about 50% of Democratic voters?

Way to go ace.

[CoffeeCat]

2. It's all nice and sweet that you...

...can't think for yourself and that you're relying on Hillary Clinton's campaign to
define your world view.

However, let's have a little reality check.

Texas has not been "won" by anyone, because the final results are not in yet.

This is so absurd.

The media agreed to call Texas for Clinton, because she insisted on it. Her victory party
was scheduled and confetti had to fall, so the media fell in line and played a major role
in Hillary marketing NO DELEGATE GAINS as a big, whopping win----even before the Texas caucus
results were tallied!

Hillary's spin and ridiculous non-wins don't shock me. This is typical. What bites me is the
willing media lemmings who play along with this spin and the people in this country who appear
completely taken over by the spin. So much so, that they can't see reality any more.

Calling a state before the results are in---so a candidate can spend two days insisting, "I won!!! I won!!!"
is beyond the pale.

[displacedtexan]

4. Got a link for your "because she insisted on it" claim?

A reputable link?

[CoffeeCat]

9. The media said this dozens of times last night!!

Where were you last night?

The media repeated over and over that Hillary had the confetti waiting and
their "victory" party was planned well in advance. She was going to spin
any win to a major victory.

I'm confused about exactly what you're disputing...

Are you suggesting that Hillary isn't spinning a zero-gain in delegates as major victory?

or Are you disputing that the media is touting yesterday as a big win for Hillary?

Both are happening, and you know it. Both are part of her orchestrated plan to stay in the
race.

[Igel]

13. And once the caucus figures are in, it still won't be

clear who won.

Because some of the delegates aren't decided by vote or by caucus, but by party officials.

HRC appears to have won the primary. Which is what last night was about in the media, because everybody knew right up front that the caucus results might not be available for as long as 3 days from the primary.

BHO will almost certainly win the TX caucus. Caucus delegates are apportioned by voting history, so large dem precincts get more votes than smaller ones, and the large ones will mostly go for BHO. His supporters have better turnout at caucuses, anyway, although it's unclear to what extent this matters the way TX does its caucus (I'm not up on how all the other states do theirs, and details matter). Then the local at-large delegates go to local conventions to pick delegates for the state convention, and at the state convention we get the final, official tally, the one that will matter.

At that point BHO will probably have more delegates from Texas than HRC will. But the fight's not over at that point.

That leaves the portion for state officials. I haven't heard squat about how they'll decide, or when they'll decide, but, like SDs at the national level, they're free agents and can decide however they see fit. When they decide, *then* we can finally say who won *Texas*. Not before.

[RelativelyJones]

3. Mugsy, are you going to support Obama if he is the nominee?

[Mugsy]

7. Of course.

I will support whoever the Democratic nominee is. I actually like Obama more, but I have some differences with his policies and serious concerns about his readiness.

My greatest concern: Obama will be the next Carter: great guy, but unprepared for what lies ahead. A disastrous Obama Presidency could set back not only the Democratic Party like it did after Carter (A MERE FOUR YEARS AFTER WATERGATE we had Republicans back in charge and controlling at least half of Washington for the next 26 years), but could set back African-American's running for higher office for even longer.

If Hillary fails, I don't think it would be anywhere near as catastrophic for the Democratic Party.

[AlinPA]

5. I'm 70 years old and don't like being mocked, ridiculed and insulted for voting for Obama.

That RI speech turned off a lot of people of all ages. It's not good for Democrats.

[tom_paine]

8. You know as well as I do that peoples' votes don't count anymore in this Empire.

Thus, I take absolutely no comfort in Democratic Primary turnouts. Sure, they are high, but as a percentage of "votes" cast on "election" day in November, they are still small.

Sorry. I hate to be the bringer of reality in the midst of all the excitement of our Biannual Phony Election Farce.

Just wait until the MSM gets it's usual 24/7 anti-Democratic narrative stoked up and going. What will it be this time? Who knows and who cares? All you need to know is that it will be EFFECTIVE.

I wish I could take heart in these totals, but if one thing has been made clear to me these past seven years, it is that the bottom 90% of this country have 0% say in who gains the Imperial Throne.

NOTE: This is not suggesting that anyone give up. We all must get out and vote for the Democratic candidate in November, because it is our only faint hope and I might be wrong, though I'm not. But we should all have no illusions about what country we live in or who owns and controls our voting system and media.

[Justitia]

10. The Clinton machinery is what turned this race DIRTY. No crying now. -eom

[the grey area]

11. Something must be done to stop a Dem. civil war

I really try my best to like Sen. Clinton but I find it impossible. Over the past few weeks she has turned her campaign into the Republican party filth machine, and with it the democratic spirit. Just last month, so many of us were, for the first time, turned on to politics and filled with hope for the future. Now, thanks to Clinton, it looks just like the same old politics of childish games and disgusting smear campaigns. HOW DARE SHE use a commercial using sleeping children to FEAR the people into voting for her...implying that Obama would not be there to "answer the phone" ...it makes me sick...it is no better than the Rovian republican fear mongers and Hillary should be ashamed!! And now that her disgusting tactics have paid of for her, we must endure several more weeks of disgracing our party and ruining this newfound support we have seen this year. Clinton's selfishness has brought this positive campaign of Democratic movement into the shit with the republicans. If this goes to the convention after 5 months of filth from the Clinton's....I will be finished with this party...I simply cannot stand by any longer as this country kills yet another hopeful movement...thank you very much Sen. Clinton and all of your uneducated and elderly voters...you have really hurt us yet again....and I am embarrassed of you.

-A

[Mugsy]

12. Don't be a drama queen.

Hey, I'm no Hillary fan (as I've said repeatedly), but in a race between Hillary and McCain, there is no question she'd get my vote, and the fact she can campaign "tough" (or "dirty" if you prefer), "do whatever it takes" approach to winning, isn't necessarily a bad thing when it comes to defeating the Republican.

I'm old enough to remember Carter. He had an extremely "hopeful" campaign. Everyone had (overly?) high hopes that he would change Washington and bring about an end to the dishonest lying crooks controlling Washington, but instead, he failed on both the economic and foreign policy fronts and only reinforced the misperception Republicans had drummed into the American people (which continues to this day) that Democrats don't know how to get things done.

[the grey area]

15. nevertheless.....

....my contention is that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. I could frankly care less about what happened way back when with Carter. What is important is how it is now. especially since the youth are this involved; as they should be the most important voters.

[Larkspur]

14. I'm not an Obama-bot but I despise Hillary

Can't vote for someone who wants to ship my job to India.