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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 12:54 PM
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"Get you cash up front when dealing with her"
how pathetic is this?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259.html


Cash-strapped Clinton fails to pay bills
By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 3/30/08 7:00 AM EST


Hillary Rodham Clinton’s cash-strapped presidential campaign has been putting off paying hundreds of bills for months — freeing up cash for critical media buys but also earning the campaign a reputation as something of a deadbeat in some small-business circles.

A pair of Ohio companies owed more than $25,000 by Clinton for staging events for her campaign are warning others in the tight-knit event production community — and anyone else who will listen — to get their cash upfront when doing business with her. Her campaign, say representatives of the two companies, has stopped returning phone calls and e-mails seeking payment of outstanding invoices. One even got no response from a certified letter.

Their cautionary tales, combined with published reports about similar difficulties faced by a New Hampshire landlord, an Iowa office cleaner and a New York caterer, highlight a less-obvious impact of Clinton’s inability to keep up with the staggering fundraising pace set by her opponent for the Democratic presidential nomination, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

Clinton's campaign did not respond to recent, specific questions about its transactions with vendors. But Clinton spokesman Jay Carson pointed on Saturday to an earlier statement the campaign issued to Politico, asserting: "The campaign pays its bills regularly and in the normal course of business, and pays all of its bills."

Just like with other businesses, it’s common for campaigns to carry unpaid bills from month to month, but in Clinton’s case, it also could serve a strategic purpose.

The New York senator’s presidential campaign ended February with $38 million in the bank, according to a report filed last week with the Federal Election Commission, but only $16 million of that can be spent on her battle with Obama.

The rest can be spent only in the general election, if she makes it that far, and must be returned if she doesn’t. If she had paid off the $8.7 million in unpaid bills she reported as debt and had not loaned her campaign $5 million, the cash she would have had available at the end of last month to spend on television ads and other upfront expenses would have been less than $2 million.


By contrast, if you subtract Obama’s $625,000 in debts and his general-election-only money from his total cash on hand at the end of last month, he’d still be left with $31 million.

The presidential campaign of presumptive Republican nominee Arizona Sen. John McCain reported $4.3 million in debt at the end of February, but only $1.3 million of that was in the form of unpaid bills to a dozen vendors. The rest was a bank loan, which the campaign says it paid off last week.

It’s not just the size of Clinton’s debts that’s noteworthy. It’s also that her unpaid bills extend beyond the realm of high-priced consultants who typically let bills slide as part of the cost of doing business with powerful clientele whose success is linked to their own.

Some of Clinton’s biggest debts are to pollster and chief strategist Mark Penn, who’s owed $2.5 million; direct mail company MSHC Partners, which is owed $807,000; phone-banking firm Spoken Hub, which is waiting for $771,000; and ad maker Mandy Grunwald, who’s owed $467,000.

Clinton also reported debts more than one month old to a slew of apolitical businesses and organizations, large and small, in the states through which this historically expensive Democratic primary campaign has raged.


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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:03 PM
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1. around here, we call people like this chiselers.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:05 PM
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3. how can a 150 million dollar campaign
be 6 mil in friggin debt? What are they doing lighting their cigarettes (notice I DIDN'T say cigars?) with hundred dollar bills?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:04 PM
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2. send her to collections!
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:08 PM
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4. Or the lounge.....
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:16 PM
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5. Ouch!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:19 PM
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6. You should probably save the Hillary bashing for GD:P
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:42 PM
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7. Since when did reporting facts become "bashing"?
Oh yeah... it's Hillary. :eyes:
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 04:04 PM
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11. it's a linked story
kiss it
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:48 PM
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8. "It’s not just the size of Clinton’s debts that’s noteworthy."
What's noteworthy is the obscene amount of money two American politicians are spending on becoming POTUS. It's just SO wrong.


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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:24 AM
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12. With republican leaning M$M giving McCain a free ride and their other.....
candidate of choice already front loaded would you have any other suggestions on how things could be run :shrug:
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:50 PM
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9. Put a lien on her campaign.
That's what I'd do. File a civil suit against the campaign.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 01:53 PM
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10. She owes small Ohio companies: she used you, suckers! Like she used all Ohioans. nt
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 06:56 AM
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13. Very impressive post
Spoken like a good rethuglican. This would be the MO of the Obama Camp and his minions as dictated by the ruler, Sr Obama himself. The minions follow direct orders very well.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 09:28 AM
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14. Can't we please just bash the Republicans instead?
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 01:59 PM
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15. We are.
She raises money with Murdoch.

By their fruits you will know them.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:12 PM
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16. Oh bullshit!
She is NOWHERE near as bad as McCain would be, and we're well on our way to getting creamed in November because of all the Dem-bashing! Enough! ALL of our people are better than ALL of their people! We need to focus against them, or else we'll get smacked down again!
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:26 PM
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17. "She is NOWHERE near as bad as McCain would be"
And yet she keeps praising McCain over Obama.

You are in denial.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:15 AM
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18. No, YOU are going to fuck up the election for us
If we don't all back the candidate, whoever it is,, we're going to be screwed in November. The election is ours to lose, and everyone who is busy bashing our candidates rather than the Repubs is busy losing it!
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 11:50 AM
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19. If we elect a DINO, we'll lose too.
AND the whole country will conclude that Dems are no better than republicans.

Look at the approval ratings of a Dem-controlled congress that still act like pukes. We'll lose everything unless we put good people in charge. A Dem-in-name-only is only useful to the other side.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:30 AM
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21. The good people have already dropped out of the race
Anyone who would have really made changes to the structure of the US corporatocracy is already gone. That includes Nader. What we are left with now are 2 candidates who are so much the same that the only way to really tell them apart is because they wear different clothes, and John McCain. And if we keep this bashing of each other up, instead of bashing McCain (who is easily the one we should go after) then McCain may have a chance at winning. McCain is SO much worse than anyone else that he's almost a clone of Bush! We could pick a trash can and run it for president, and it would do a better job than McCain would. But he still may get elected if we let him!

Are you really trying to claim that when November rolls around, and McCain wins, you're going to say "Thank God Clinton didn't win"? Really?
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:09 PM
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22. I think it's important that neither Clinton nor McCain win.
Maybe Obama's not as good as his most ardent admirers think he is, but I'm still quite sure that Hillary is worse.

Clinton winning would be like a doctor saying, "You don't have cancer ... it's only MS."

We need to do better.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:40 PM
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20. Politico leans towards wingnuts: KENNETH P. VOGEL writes for the RNC
WASHINGTON, March 31 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following was issued by the Republican National Committee and written by Kenneth P. Vogel from The Politico: &c&c&c http://www.wikio.com/news/Kenneth+P.+Vogel?wfid=51209173
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