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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:30 PM
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Petraeus Meets His Match
Senator Joseph Lieberman has become something of an agent provocateur in the semiannual Petraeus-Crocker hearings staged by the U.S. Senate. This semester he chose to open his remarks by chastising unnamed colleagues for having a "hear no progress ... see no progress ... speak no progress" attitude about the war in Iraq. That may have been true in the past, as there was no progress. This time, however, nearly all the Senators, including most Democrats, opened their comments by praising the general and the ambassador for their fine work—noting the reduced casualty rates and the success against al-Qaeda. The debate had finally moved on to more fertile turf: If things were going so well, why were Crocker and Petraeus so reluctant to come home?

The Senator who mined this turf most profitably was ... Barack Obama (a surprise, since you never expect a presidential peacock to be succinct or acute enough in these bloviathons). Obama hit Petraeus and Crocker with an artful series of questions about the two main threats: Sunni terrorists like al-Qaeda in Iraq, and Iran. He noted that al-Qaeda had been rejected by the Iraqi Sunnis and chased to the northern city of Mosul. If U.S. and Iraqi troops succeeded there, what was next? He proposed: "Our goal is not to hunt down and eliminate every single trace of al-Qaeda but rather to create a manageable situation where they're not posing a threat to Iraq." Petraeus said Obama was "exactly right."

Obama asked Crocker about Iran: We couldn't expect Iran to have no influence in Iraq, could we? "We have no problem with a good, constructive relationship between Iran and Iraq," Crocker replied. "The problem is with the Iranian strategy of backing extremist militia groups and sending in weapons and munitions that are used against Iraqis and against our own forces." Obama then pursued Barbara Boxer's previous line of questioning: If Iran is such a threat to Iraq, why was Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad greeted with open arms and apparently a lot of official kissing in Baghdad last month? "A visit like that," Crocker said, avoiding the question, "should be in the category of a normal relationship."

At which point, Obama dropped the hammer. The current situation in Iraq was "messy," he said. "There's still violence; there's still some traces of al-Qaeda; Iran has influence more than we would like. But if we had the current status quo and yet our troops had been drawn down to 30,000, would we consider that a success?" Crocker, semi-speechless, chose to misinterpret the question, saying a precipitous drawdown to 30,000 troops would be disastrous. But Obama's question was more diabolical. He was saying, Hey, al-Qaeda's on the run, and Iran is probably more interested in harassing the U.S. military than having another war with Iraq. How much better does the situation need to be for us to leave? He had taken Joe Lieberman's dart and beaten it into a plowshare.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729525,00.html
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:38 PM
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1. Let the man negotiate!
I want this guy in charge! K&R! :kick: :kick: :kick: GObama!
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:24 AM
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2. Joe Biden on how to end the War in Iraq - Sounds like Obama plan - Hope Biden is involved!
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 08:25 AM by 1776Forever
Joe Biden has been in the Senate for a long time and in that time he has said some powerful things on how to stop the War in Iraq! I would hope fervently that Barack Obama uses his wisdom in doing this and would love to see him in the Secretary of the State position!

Please take a listen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99abK0C87J8&feature=related

And further article written in 2007 in the New York Observer:

A Candidate For Secretary Of State
by Steve Kornacki | June 12, 2007

http://www.observer.com/2007/candidate-secretary-state

:applause:
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 05:37 PM
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3. Mr. Betrayus meets
his match.

I think he was outdone several times during questioning this week. It wasn't just one person, but several who blew holes in his logic and testimony.

Just call Betray Us the "Swiss Cheese" logic full of holes :smoke:

Thax for posting, B.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:12 PM
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4. Hey Cliss.
I always take notice when any politician shows signs of being able to think and argue well. It's such a rare thing in politics.
:hi:
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