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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:51 AM
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OPEC: Gas Prices Will Stay High
Source: Time

As gas prices heads for a possible $4 a gallon in the U.S. this summer, it's tempting to blame Big Oil — as many in Congress did last week —for its bloated profits greased by generous tax breaks. But the players in the oil-producing world see things a little differently. OPEC officials, oil executives and oil-rich governments met Thursday in Paris at the International Oil Summit, to share their thoughts on the global energy crunch. Total chief executive Christophe de Margerie and Royal Dutch Shell's exploration chief Malcolm Brinded told officials from oil-rich countries that they needed more access to easily accessible oil deposits, rather than the hugely expensive deep-sea drilling or ultra-deep underground reserves on which they are increasingly relying to expand production. Expanded drilling for less accessible oil has seen production costs double in about four years, according to a report by Cambridge Energy Research Associates. Added Brinded, "Costs are still rising and exploration is at record levels."

But the oil companies' pleas were largely ignored at the summit. As if to underscore Big Oil's shrinking clout in the oil world, the summit's most powerful delegate — Saudi oil minister Ali Al-Naimi — arrived after the big guns from the oil companies had left, and was mobbed by photographers and television reporters who waited for hours to catch him on camera. With Saudi Arabia sitting atop the world's biggest known energy reserves — 264 billion barrels of oil and nearly 258 trillion cubic feet of gas — Naimi is OPEC's leading figure, who can slash or boost world oil prices within minutes by a turn of phrase.

Naimi had no good news for those hoping for some relief from sky-high prices. He said it could take "at least 50 years" for the world to comprehensively adopt alternatives to the oil and gas that today account for about 90% of world energy consumption. Naimi castigated Western governments that have pushed biofuels as the major energy alternative, which has ravaged forests and agricultural land. Biofuels, he said, "will produce just 6% of energy consumption by 2010, and has not even reduced greenhouse gases." Instead, the world's most powerful oilman advocated "truly renewable sources of energy, like solar power." Saudi Arabia this year committed $300 million to researching alternative energies, even though they plan within the next year to boost their oil output from 11 million barrels a day to 12.5 million barrels a day.

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Analysts don't absolve OPEC of blame for keeping prices sky-high. They have voted three times since last fall against raising production, despite direct appeals for relief to Naimi from President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. That's partly because they fear they could some day run dry of oil, leaving future generations without the key source of Arab wealth. "It's understandable," says Fatih Birol, chief economist of the International Energy Agency, a Paris-based watchdog organization for big oil-consuming countries. "Oil-producing countries have policies not to run down their reserves." And that, of course, will keep oil companies very profitable for decades to come.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1730117,00.html
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:56 AM
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1. As Exxon-Mobil sit there on their profits
Crippling the world economy
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:12 PM
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13. One hundred million a day, day in and day out year after year..Net Profit I might add.
And our infrastructure crumbles.. I know.... what we need is more "Tax Cuts"
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:59 AM
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2. My heating gas (nat. gas) bill last month was so high I thought I was seeing things.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:41 AM
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7. We had a record cold Jan here in So Cal and my electric bill
(which includes my hot water heater in my unit and three electric wall heaters) for mid-Dec thru mid-Feb was $230. For a 1-BR apartment!! And I only ran the heaters enough to keep temps above 60 during the day and above 52 at night. I can remember not too long ago, electricity for a 1-BR apartment here typically ran under $50 for the two month period.........

Thee is no insulation in most apartment buildings in SoCal. I am almost afraid what might happen here in our 115+ summer heat.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:10 AM
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3. Invade the financiers of 9/11, Saudi Arabia.
Bomb their ass and take their gas.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:15 AM
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4. They "tried" to do that in Iraq...
But their $urge is a miserable failure.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:30 PM
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10. "But that could impact the republicon homelander crony bottom line." - Commander AWOL
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:15 AM
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5. What is wrong with these people? Planning for the future? What nonsense!
Don't they understand you need to live for the moment? I got mine - go get your own!

they fear they could some day run dry of oil, leaving future generations without the key source of Arab wealth...that's just crazy talk :crazy:


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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:23 AM
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6. Old Saudi saying...
"My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies a jet plane, and his son will ride a camel."

(probably apocryphal, but still true nonetheless...)

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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:45 AM
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8. Ed Schultz is talking about...
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 11:46 AM by Bill219
some huge oil field find in North Dakota that he claims will be the big news next week in the media

I only caught the tail end of the discussion but I guess Byron Dorgan had some survey done on the area and it has the potential to produce billions of barrels of oil

anybody have anymore info on this?
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:47 PM
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17. Oil shale, I believe
Amazingly, even worse for the environment than regular drilling. You heat up a few acres of earth impregnated with oil, wait a few years, then pump out what you cooked out.

Astonishingly bad for critters 'n plants, uses a whole lot of water. And very expensive. Although in the upcoming market, it could probably turn a profit.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:20 PM
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9. OPEC has us by the balls and they know it.
They'll just keep squeezing harder and harder. Fuck the Saudis, I wouldn't send them any more military hardware, not as much as a paper airplane!! This is the thanks we get for their support?? Of course I'm sure Chavez of Venezuela is laughing his ass off.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:05 PM
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12. But they are Bush's friends right? He said he would tell them to
lower it and they would. LOL Yea is he dumb or is he dumb?
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:23 PM
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14. Ah, the good 'ol days:
"What I think the president ought to do is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price...

...I used to be in the oil business. I was little oil -- really little oil. And so I understand the -- I understand what can happen in the marketplace."


The good 'ol days. When oil was about $30 per barrel, retail gas prices were about $1.50 per gallon, and candidate George W. Bush told us all these prices were too high for the American consumer...

mikey_the_rat
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:03 PM
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11. Its going to be tough for all of us. I am investigation a portable
solar charger that one can plug appliances into in the event we have another Katrina. oh God please not. I found all sorts of neat stuff. Living without electricity for 6 weeks and no generator without a fan in Louisiana was hell.
This time, I will at least have a fan and keep the batteries charged up and ready to go.

Oh trying to find gas for generators. lol I could not even buy gas to leave when Rita came after Katrina and had to be in a house with a hole in the roof still surrounded by giant trees as Rita Roared by. No utilities except, thank God for the Propane.


Earthtechproducts.comt.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:29 PM
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15. Let's face facts: OPEC (and global) oil production has peaked
Either attack the problem (the global, unsustainable use of MASSIVE amounts of oil), or piss and moan about the prices while doing nothing to make a noticeable impact.

Drive smaller vehicles and bike if possible, eat less meat, eat more locally-grown foods, grow a garden, stop burying yourself in plastic and electronic crap, pay off your debts, and prepare for a wild ride. The next decade will not be fun.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:36 AM
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21. But nobody wants to talk about reality...
Most would rather bury their heads into the sand and conplain about the situation.. Complaining is much easier that making the hard decision to conserve and look at the long term outlook on oil.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:41 PM
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16. i expect an announcement by moron* stating something along the lines
of, "damn, I sucked them off, why didn't they keep their promise???"
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 04:39 PM
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18. Sorry, but when Big Oil is raking in RECORD profits, they ARE to blame
I fully understand that there are global forces at work. But don't tell me that Big Oil doesn't have a big part to do with it as well. They're raking in BILLIONS in record profits, handing out generous bonuses to their CEOs as they pat themselves on each other's backs.

It's time to nationalize energy production. No more gluttonous profits for Big Oil.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 06:07 PM
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19. Fuck Big Oil and OPEC can kiss my ass!!
they are fucking us!

they have not one viable excuse for this ciminal act, it would be so bad if we had a choice as to what we can drive, but there is no EVs for us to choose. We are sttuck with combustiable enegines and OPEC is rapeing us with it.

Millions of dollars in profits made as of late did not do the consumer any favors. All natural resources should be natioanlized and not privatized.
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:01 AM
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20. There is a way to break OPEC and Big Oil in ten years: mandate hybrid vehicle technology and ...
rebuild mass transit.

All the so-called experts say get OPEC to increase the oil supply and that will solve the problem. No, it will not. Increasing oil production will only increase pollution, and will not decrease costs since the world's cheap oil supplies are dwindling. The costs of extracting oil are only going up.

The way to solve the problem is to REDUCE DEMAND. Mandate vehicle fuel efficiency standards as was done in the 1970's during the so-called Arab oil embargo. Within five years, the demand for oil dropped and oil imports were reduced by twenty percent. Pollution decreased and the price of oil stabilized. The technology to reduce oil consumption exists today: it is called hybrid-electric technology and its potential has barely been tapped.

Instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars building more highways and bailing out more uncompetitive airlines, put some money into mass transit, especially railroads and light rail. Rail travel is the most efficient form of transportation -- it is cheaper than air travel, trucks, and automobiles. Rail travel uses less fuel than any of these other modes of transportation. Maintenance costs are less for railroads for the number of miles traveled.

Take action to reduce the demand for oil and you lower its cost, reduce the power of OPEC, reduce pollution, and save yourself a lot of money all at the same time.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:41 AM
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22. Don't you just love monopolies and price fixing? n/t
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