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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:24 PM
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Tom Hayden: Why Hillary Makes My Wife Scream
Why Hillary Makes My Wife Scream
by Tom Hayden


My wife Barbara has begun yelling at the television set every time she hears Hillary Clinton. This is abnormal behavior, since Barbara is a meditative practitioner of everything peaceful and organic, and is inspired by Barack Obama’s transformational appeal.

For Barbara, Hillary has become the screech on the blackboard. From First Lady to Lady Macbeth.

It’s getting to me as well. Last year, I was somewhat reconciled to the prospect of supporting and pressuring Hillary as the nominee amidst the rising tide of my friends who already hated her, irrationally I thought. I was one of those people Barack accuses of being willing to settle. I even had framed a flattering autographed message from Hillary. But as the campaign has gone on and on, her signed portrait still leans against the wall in my study. I don’t know where she belongs anymore.

At least Hillary was a known quantity in my life. I knew of the danger of her becoming more and more hawkish as she tried to break the ultimate glass ceiling. I also knew that she could be forced to change course if public opinion was fiercely opposed to the war. And I knew she was familiar with radical social causes from her own life experience in the Sixties. So my progressive task seemed clear: help build an anti-war force powerful enough to make it politically necessary to end the war. Been there, done that. And in the process, finally put a woman in the White House. A soothing bonus.

But as the Obama campaign gained momentum, Hillary began morphing into the persona that has my pacifist wife screaming at the television set.

Going negative doesn’t begin to describe what has happened. Hillary is going over the edge. Even worse are the flacks she sends before the cameras on her behalf, like that Kiki person, who smirks and shakes her head at the camera every time she fields a question. Or the real carnivores, like Howard Wolfson, Lanny Davis and James Carville, whose sneering smugness prevents countless women like my wife from considering Hillary at all.

To use the current terminology, Hillary people are bitter people, even more bitter than the white working-class voters Barack has talked about. Because they circle the wagons so tightly, they don’t recognize how identical, self-reinforcing and out-of-touch they are.

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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/23/8486/
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:27 PM
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1. Tom Hayden rocks!
And here we have yet another progressive leader for the Hillary fans to hate. LOL
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:53 PM
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7. Progressive Leader?!?
Senator Hayden! I want you and the entire California legislature to explain your connections to Bill Ayer and the Weatherman! As a founder of Students for a Democratic Society, which begat Weatherman, we know you for the Obamaist scoundrel that you are.

After participating in a police riot in Czechago in 1968, and then in a kangaroo court because of it. Have you no shame? You married Jane Fonda fer christsakes!

You then tried to infiltrate the government and destroy it from the inside as a California State Senator, you dirty commie! How dare you stand up to corporate interests, and the American way!

You've even been documented hanging out with Yippees, and Black Panthers, and pacifists.

You sir, ROCK! Always have.

:yourock: :wow:

And yeah, I agree. It does make me feel like fingernails on a blackboard. It has for quite a while now.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:43 PM
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18. I Glanced At Your Title
and I started to sputter. Good thing I read the whole thing.;) It has been a sad thing to watch the Clintons for me. I have always said I was a November nominee supporter but I realized I was praying for Senator Clinton to lose Penn so this could be over. I hate the name calling and snarking and I will be doing a happy dance once this is over.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:30 PM
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2. I have reached the point...
where I am turning the channel when I see her come on to speak -- the only other person I do this regulary to is GW.

That says everything right there. :(
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:36 PM
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4. Me, too.
I hope to heaven we do not have to suffer 4 years under her.

I think I will just become a hermit.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:40 PM
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14. I cringe when she,.,
laughs and I cannot even listen to her anymore, what is with her and this KiKi woman and the shaking of their heads..
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:03 PM
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21. I switch channels
when GW comes on and when BHO comes on. Don't like him either. He should be a preacher, like his 'uncle,' Jeremiah Wright.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:35 PM
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3. Wow so much "hope" and "change" coming from team Obama today.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:37 PM
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5. Yeah, that is what Obama represents.
I've had 8 years of turning Bush off - please can we have a change.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:45 PM
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6. I've had 8 years of turning Bush off to.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 12:46 PM by SIMPLYB1980
Preceded by 8 years of right wing attacks on me personally as a Democrat - Clinton is a change.



Clinton has gracefully already offered the VP slot to Obama. Obama has not returned it. So which of them is really for unity in the Democratic party. So far it hasn't been Obama.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:59 PM
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8. 2,024
is the number of delegates Sen. Clinton needs before she can legitimately offer the VP slot to Sen. Obama. Until one of the Democratic candidates reaches that milestone, any offer of a VP slot from one to the other is meaningless. Actually, not meaningless -- insulting is more like it.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:24 PM
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12. No insult unless you are looking for a reason to be insulted.
I look at it this way. If after Clinton offered Obama the VP slot he had offered it to her this election would be over. Democrats would have flocked to one candidate or the other and no one would have a reason to be upset. Instead Obama wanted to play divide and conquer politics within the Democratic party. This is what he has wrought not Clinton.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:02 PM
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16. Let's pretend you and I are the candidates.
You are ahead in the delegate count, and very likely to win the nomination.

I offer you the VP slot.

Which of these describes your reaction?
1. WTF? I'm in the lead. What is he offering me the #2 spot for?
2. Well, that is really heart-warming. I will return the favor. Then whichever of us wins, the other will be VP. It will be a dream ticket! SimplyB1980-Klook 2008!!
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:10 PM
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10. You cannot be for real.
Since when does the person in 2nd place offer the 2nd place slot to the person in 1st place?

:wtf:

The arrogance of the Clinton campaign knows no bounds.

The fact that a Clinton supporter seriously thinks that this idea is not laughable is frightening.

The party cannot allow this level of delusional thinking continue.

Regards
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:23 PM
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11. I hope you are kidding
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:42 PM
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15. She aint' winning...
and obama is not taking a slot as vp if she did
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:51 PM
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17. nothing graceful about the person losing offering the person winning
the vp position. arrogant, yes. and she did it to undercut him- as virtually every pundit noted. she's run a disgusting campaign: Penn, kitchen sinks, whinging incessently. I could care less if hilly stays in until the inevitable day of reckoning, but really, she's so full of it. v
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:53 PM
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20. I'm sorry, but Obama picking Senator Clinton as his VP would be stupid
Not because of Senator Clinton but because of the husband she has. Obama would be installing a former President and you know how hard it would be for Bill Clinton not to top from the bottom? Impossible, I'd say.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:07 PM
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9. And look how they unite us all.
They're all uniters not dividers. Just like their Great Leader.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:38 PM
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13. He forgot Terry McAuliffe..
I caught on to lanny davis for the past few years when he began supporting bush in some of his dirty deeds. I think its time for someone to pass the word around to these blue collar workers about this Penn guy and his back door deals, or do they like what NAFTA has done to them..
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:36 PM
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19. Radical social causes in the 60's?
I thought she was a "Goldwater Girl" in the 60's.
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BigDogDistrict44 Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:52 AM
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22. My wife likes her, and is in Indiana and can vote for her.
I should also say my wife has her B.A., and 3 Masters and is now getting her Doctoral in HR so any line about educated women not liking Mrs. Clinton is wrong.
She is also certified in Homeland Security and National Security Internet Communications.

I like them both, and will be happy to follow either!

Tony "Big Dog" Van Pelt
Indiana State Senate Candidate
District 44 The Fighting 44s
www.unleashthedog.us
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:43 PM
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23. a sincere welcome to DU
I hope the residents here are kind and reasonable to you, sir. I hope so.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:04 PM
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25. Guess we can go ahead and obliterate Iran.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:44 PM
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24. didn't Tom Hayden back Ralph Nader?
Just sayin.........
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cjbgreen Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:47 PM
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26. Why I would never want my daughter or son to emulate Hillary!
She thinks being strong is about threatening annihilation, downing shots, and firing weapons!
Her example is that women can only beat men by cheating and lying and sleaze.
She claims she is a feminist and uses her husband and his position to beat up on her opponents and to get ahead.
She lies and when caught shrugs it off and claims we expect too much of her.
Her team is characterized by infighting, jealousy, poor planning and lousy communication .
She seeks popularity over principles. Name one unpopular issue that she stood up for during her tenure as a senate.
She has accomplished nothing on her own (not even her book).
She stayed in a dysfunctional relationship that refocused the priorities of this country on her husbands' poor judgment?
This is one woman who does not respect Hillary Clinton. I wouldn't vote for Condelezza Rice, I will not vote for her.


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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:37 PM
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27. She's gotten nearly as intolderable as *
which I didn't think was possible. It might not be quite so grating if it wasn't crystal clear that she's bent on destroying the party and with it the country just because she believes it's her turn.
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