The Return of MKULTRA?

[Joanne98]

The Return of MKULTRA? Evidence Mounts that Drugs Were Used on CIA “Ghost Detainees” During Coercive Interrogations
by Tom Burghardt / April 25th, 2008

In A Question of Torture, historian Alfred W. McCoy tracks the nightmarish world of the CIA’s Project ARTICHOKE and its later metastasis, MKULTRA through two distinct, though overlapping phases:

First, esoteric, often bizarre experiments with hypnosis and hallucinogenic drugs, from 1950 to 1956; then, more conventional research into human psychology until 1963 when the agency compiled the fruits of this costly investigation in a definitive interrogation manual.1

As revelations emerge that top Bush administration officials gave the intelligence “community” and Pentagon a “green light” to torture, evidence mounts that CIA and Special Operations Command interrogators used mind-altering drugs on prisoners subjected to coercive interrogations.

According to a report published in Tuesday’s Washington Post,

At least two dozen… former and current detainees at Guantánamo Bay and elsewhere say they were given drugs against their will or witnessed other inmates being drugged, based on interviews and court documents.

Like Nusairi, other detainees believed the injections were intended to coerce confessions.2

The Pentagon and the CIA deny the charges, claiming that the stories are “either fabrications or mistaken interpretations of routine medical treatment,” Warrick reports.

However, the allegations have returned with a vengeance after this month’s release of a Justice Department memo that explicitly approved the use of drugs on prisoners.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-return-of-mkultra-evidence-mounts-that-drugs-were-used-on-cia-ghost-detainees-during-coercive-interrogations/

[Hydra]

1. MK Ultra never went away

It just got a new name and a deeper level of secrecy after the botched PR regarding the agent that was murdered but blamed as suicide.

This stuff on prisoners is pedestrian. They routinely do this to American citizens.

As always, the tip of the iceberg.

[formercia]

8. Officially, the drugs were destroyed.

I used to walk by the vault where they had been kept several times a day because my office was right next to it.
Unofficially, quantities of the drugs remained squirreled away in violation of the law and the knowledge on how to make them and use them was never destroyed.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/formercia/180

formercia's Journal
Psychotropic Drugs
Posted by formercia in General Discussion
Fri Apr 11th 2008, 02:40 PM
a term to see mentioned, almost as an afterthought.

I'm personally familiar with some of those 'drugs' because they were used on me.

The whole reason behind it was that I had questioned the legality of a particular operation and I needed to be discredited, so they spiked my home and things that I ate with agents that would cause a psychotic break and cause me to act in ways that could be used to discredit me.

Let's make it clear here. These so called drugs are not what people might think as 'Truth Serum', something to get someone to talk, but agents that cause uncontrolled panic and rage and fry the victim's brains. They are meant to destroy people. They are meant to make people freak out that would make a bad 'Acid Trip' seem like a nice day at the beach.

Now just imagine yourself a prisoner, being the victim of a hostile interrogation and suffering from the effects of these agents.

Some of these prisoners had to endure this day after day.

[undergroundpanther]

9. Anectine.

I hate the assholes who shot me up with that shit. I curse these professional psychopaths forever.

[formercia]

10. People have been murdered with that drug

It's metabolized so quickly that the Pathologist has to be specifically looking for it or it will look like normal metabolites.

That shit must really screw with your nervous system.

http://www.drugs.com/pro/anectine.html

Anectine - Clinical Pharmacology

Succinylcholine is a depolarizing skeletal muscle relaxant. As does acetylcholine, it combines with the cholinergic receptors of the motor end plate to produce depolarization. This depolarization may be observed as fasciculations. Subsequent neuromuscular transmission is inhibited so long as adequate concentration of succinylcholine remains at the receptor site. Onset of flaccid paralysis is rapid (less than 1 minute after IV administration), and with single administration lasts approximately 4 to 6 minutes.

Succinylcholine is rapidly hydrolyzed by plasma cholinesterase to succinylmonocholine (which possesses clinically insignificant depolarizing muscle relaxant properties) and then more slowly to succinic acid and choline (see PRECAUTIONS). About 10% of the drug is excreted unchanged in the urine. The paralysis following administration of succinylcholine is progressive, with differing sensitivities of different muscles. This initially involves consecutively the levator muscles of the face, muscles of the glottis, and finally, the intercostals and the diaphragm and all other skeletal muscles.

[formercia]

11. A memory to last the rest of your life:

however short it may be.

http://www.mbticentral.com/forums/science-technology-future-tech/424-humane-execution.html

Humane Execution ?
The "lethal injection" was offered up as a more humane way to execute condemned criminals. Up until recently it has mostly consisted of:

STEP ONE - Sodium Thiopental - To put someone to sleep and "generally" anaesthetize them.

STEP TWO - Pancuronium Bromide - Paralyzes everything, including beathing muscles. ( I wonder how this differs in effect from Anectine ? Perhaps longer lasting. )

STEP THREE - Potassium Chloride - Stops heart. ( Found in "salt free" substitute in smaller amounts BTW ! Also supposedly used at times by the CIA to kill unwanted people in such a way that it looks as though they died of common heart failure. )

Prisoners such as Joseph Clark have been known to gasp "Don't work ! Don't work!" indicating Step One was only partially effective. It is thought that some prisoners may have been fully conscious as the paralysis set in. "I hate it when that happens. " Diprivan is suggested as a more modern substitute for the Thiopental. "He looks so peaceful."

I wonder how often the authorities purposely went light on Step One so that the murderer received more "punishment" on the way out ?

[OffWithTheirHeads]

12. Get a gun

Be prepared to use it.

[formercia]

16. I've got plenty of guns and they know it.

They also trained me and know what I'm capable of. Fuck them.

The boys have threatened me plenty of times. Last time was a couple of months ago when one of them sent me an email telling me to shut up or else.

Last Tuesday, I had a seizure and collapsed and had to be taken to the hospital. It turned out to be a severe Potassium imbalance. Someone spiked my blood pressure meds. Read the previous posts.

[tom_paine]

28. Often. Make book on it. n/t

[judasdisney]

15. You just stole my comment exactly.

[nebenaube]

20. 'Finders' n/t

[Hydra]

2. HA! And look how many people care that we're doing this(Even on DU)

Priceless.

[BeHereNow]

13. DU aint what it used to be...

That's for sure.
BHN

[juno jones]

3. K&R!

Wish I had more than one rec to give, this shit is as important as anything else going on out there.

[undergroundpanther]

4. Mind altering drugs

can be forced into anyone who is deemed mentally ill in this society by a 'doctor'. It happens to you if you show upsetting behavior for any reason,things that most people don't grok or that spooks the normals..And if you get upset on the inside including legit reasons, you might be drugged. Also drugged if staff wants to not have to deal with YOU..you may be at risk for all manner of "treatments" once you your human rights away on the line.

The "treatments" are not' fun'..some of which hearken back to the panaptacon or the middle ages, are strikingly similar to S/M fetish games and outright torture. Like Shock treatment.Or behavior mod averse reinforcements,a kind of gas-lighting cruelty to vulnerable people can be pretty common along with forced drugging on the inside and if people knew on the outside about what goes on on the inside....
http://www.victoria.ac.nz/adamartgal/exhibitions/2005/Still%20Present/Still%20Present.htm

Force is applied sometimes simply if you are "non- compliant" or too "mouthy".They'll force the drugs into you by pinning you down with a bunch of orderlies,leather restraints and a needle in the hip.And they won't feel a twinge of shame either, they've justified and rationalized it all in their heads..

Bottom line is,"Mental illness" is not a crime,being depressed, traumatized or"thinking differently"is not a crime either.

Yet in the psych hospitals all across the country you feel like a criminal,with the stigmas and other crap you endure.Inside every right you have is taken away by default..There is alot of talk about patient rights, recovery based treatment, evidence based bullshit yadda yadda, but the reality of how your rights are respected in real VS life on the inside is far different than what you read on paper, including the unit's little packets they give you upon admission that list your rights and the grievance procedure etc.. I know for a fact many legitimate grievances against psych wards and staff just disappear into the void of who gives a shit ,staff callousness and sucking up to ward administrators and the 'corporates'.

I've been on the inside plenty,I know the barbarity that goes on in the name of creating a fucking "psycho-civilized" society.I've been hurt by it,and so I am wary of and I despise every authoritarian,narcissist over educated emotionally retarded,hyper appropriate psychopath asshole,staff and doctor I see in the system,using the psych system as a personal fetish outlet, to feel like a power tripping little lord Fauntleroy over the unit,because society listens to "professionals" pontifications over the experiences of a bunch of traumatized loons any day because people on the outside a fucking bigots..and don't like hearing the truth of what is so fucked up about this system.

"Seems these doctors think they are God. Seems these doctors have lost all touch with what it is like to be so imprisoned. Seems these doctors have lost sight of the definition of “detain”. Seems these doctors think they should have full authority to “do whatever they think best” and the authority to grossly disrupt a person’s life, including running roughshod over their basic human rights, with absolutely no oversight. These doctors seem put out that they actually have to defend actions that horribly and negatively disrupt and affect a person’s life."

http://hymes.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/yup-good-idea-to-give-er-doctors-like-this-the-right-to-do-a-direct-temporary-detention-order-not/
http://hymes.wordpress.com/2008/03/18/abuse-of-women-psychiatric-inpatients-rife-in-australia-virginia-still-refuses-to-spend-the-money-for-single-sex-psychiatric-units/

Every psych unit is a potential Stanford Prison experiment but it is not exactly the same, you can't just leave, quit "the game" stop "role playing"or sign out once you check in..you leave when they let you leave.
http://www.prisonexp.org/

What happened to the reality that we are unique people, each of us is different and at the same time equal in the eyes of the law with inalienable human rights..??..I guess if you got a psych label stuck on you,you are somehow less of a citizen and your rights are truncated as well as your humanity.Fuck that bull shit!

Some people are truly morally depraved and can appear so 'normal' and so caring and all they put on a good show except they hide an insatiable desire to lord over others lives ,dominate and control to the point they'll get a psych degree and traumatize people in the name of "therapy" to create lifeless, non 'threatening' to authority, obedient dependant shells out of them.

[otherlander]

24. Thank you for this post.

The most interesting Stanford Prison-like quality I've observed isn't the abuse of power among the power-holders, but rather the disturbing lack of solidarity among the powerless.

[bluesmail]

5. MKULTRA never went away was my first thought as well.

like Iran-Contra.

[bemildred]

6. Calling Dr Mengele. Can Dr Mengele come to the white courtesy phone?

I do really think these fuckers were doing experiments.

[undergroundpanther]

7. they were

And they still do.Same barbaric psychiopathic evil hearted acts, just under different"cover" now.

[formercia]

17. Friends in Big Pharma

All kinds of reject meds with nasty side-effects to test for entertainment value.

[bemildred]

18. Or perhaps just a taste for certain sorts of amusements.

Or both. One of the things that is most repulsive about the Nazi death camps is the overtly mercenary nature to the way they were managed.

[formercia]

19. Too bad they can't find identical twin terrorists

then they could use one as a control like Herr Doktor Mengele.:sarcasm:

[leveymg]

14. Bookmarked: Tom Burghardt at Dissident Voice always has interesting things to say

[bobthedrummer]

21. It never went away Joanne98-the neurosciences are another example

"In Contravention of Conventional Wisdom: CIA 'no touch' torture" (active thread)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x333974

Thanks for starting this thread.
:patriot:

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22. Attytood: This is happening in America

Attytood: This is happening in America

The U.S. government has injected hundreds of foreigners it has deported with dangerous psychotropic drugs against their will to keep them sedated during the trip back to their home country, according to medical records, internal documents and interviews with people who have been drugged...

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/ :kick:

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26. Feds to review if drugs used in interrogations - Yahoo! News

Feds to review if drugs used in interrogations - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon's internal watchdog is investigating whether the military forced terror suspects to take mind-altering drugs to ease interrogation.

The CIA is conducting a similar review, said Pentagon's Assistant Inspector General John C. Crane in a letter to the Senate that was obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press. The letter bore a stamp dated May 21.

While some former detainees have alleged they were drugged, the issue was raised anew with the release in April of a five-year old legal memo written by then-Office of Legal Counsel attorney John Yoo.

The March 14, 2003, memo interpreted the long-standing legal prohibition on the use of "mind-altering substances" against prisoners. Yoo wrote it would only be illegal and considered torture if the drugs substantially interfered with prisoners' cognitive ability or fundamentally altered their personality, and was used with the specific intent to cause such harm...

[biermeister]

23. k&r

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25. "Bourne" Trilogy Headed To The MoMA

A movie that touches on this subject, albeit not to the degree of a Manchurian Candidate (1962) or The Parallax View (1974):

"Bourne" Trilogy Headed To The MoMA

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/uk-dvd/flash-player/bourne-ultimatum-slate._SX320_CR0,0,0,0_PIen-gb-vendor-play-shuttle-off,BottomLeft,0,43_.jpg
NEW YORK — One of the Museum of Modern Art's latest film acquisitions isn't an art-house experiment by Andy Warhol or Michelangelo Antonioni. It's the spy-action blockbuster "The Bourne Identity" and its sequels.

This week the museum is screening the films and hosting a panel discussion with "Bourne" director/producer Doug Liman and a noted neuroscientist to talk about memory, identity and the mysterious workings of the brain.

For the uninitiated: The films center on amnesiac assassin Jason Bourne, played by Matt Damon, who possesses superb espionage skills but no memory of his past, which includes the ultrasecret CIA unit that trained him and now wants to kill him to cover up an operation gone wrong...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/28/bourne-trilogy-headed-to_n_103957.html

WashingtonPost | Mind Games

By Sharon Weinberger
Sunday, January 14, 2007; Page W22

New on the Internet: a community of people who believe the government is beaming voices into their minds. They may be crazy, but the Pentagon has pursued a weapon that can do just that...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399.html?nav=rss_business/industries
http://realhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/2007/01/washington-post-does-mind-control.html

[Blue_Tires]

27. ttt

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29. "It Was Real 'Manchurian Candidate' Stuff"

NY Times: Ex-Pentagon Lawyers Face Inquiry on Interrogation Role

Mr. Schiffrin said that he had requested interrogation information from the senior officers who administered the pilots’ program, based at Fort Belvoir, Va. He said that much of the information he received involved psychological studies about the effects of interrogation, and some studies of how North Korean officers tried mind-control experiments on American prisoners during the Korean War. “It was real ‘Manchurian Candidate’ stuff,” he said...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/washington/17detain.html?_r=1&fta=y&oref=slogin

http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/2008/06/it-was-real-manchurian-candidate-stuff.html

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31. Manchurian Candidate School

Attytood: Manchurian Candidate School

WASHINGTON — The military trainers who came to Guantánamo Bay in December 2002 based an entire interrogation class on a chart showing the effects of “coercive management techniques” for possible use on prisoners, including “sleep deprivation,” “prolonged constraint,” and “exposure.”

What the trainers did not say, and may not have known, was that their chart had been copied verbatim from a 1957 Air Force study of Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean War to obtain confessions, many of them false, from American prisoners.

The recycled chart is the latest and most vivid evidence of the way Communist interrogation methods that the United States long described as torture became the basis for interrogations both by the military at the base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and by the Central Intelligence Agency...
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Manchurian_Candidate_School.html

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30. Numb3rs - Brutus

CBS replayed an episode of Numb3rs last night that dealt directly with the 'Return of MKULTRA'

You can stream it here:
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/video/video.php?cid=446410306&pid=sknLVZ0m5Iv8VUY5X6hU4J9GqeFfYptl&play=true&cc=0

Numb3rs - Brutus

During the murder investigation of a state senator, Don and his team discover a plot to exact revenge on the individuals involved in a government sponsored behavior modification project

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32. Wired: Defense Spooks: Let's Control Enemy Minds

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/the-dia-looks-i.html