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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:46 PM
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What do we do about the millions of deadbeat enablers of fascism?
In a union, they're called scabs.

In a dysfunctional family, they're called enablers.

The core tragedy of America (and the world) is that deadbeats far outnumber progressives, independents, and moderates.

They are the rotten core of the now poisonous American apple. The illusion is that elite fascists are powerful because of their strength and cleverness. Utterly false! The reality is that they are default powerful because of scabs, enablers, and deadbeats.

The deadbeats don't give a shit about anything except their booze, sitcoms, and rationalizations. And boy do they ever have rationalizations. They feel no responsibility about ANYTHING. They're really secret psychopaths -- conscienceless, criminally stupid, and the exact opposite of our founding fathers.

To extend the term, the deadbeats are also (and always have been) the "dead weight" of civilization. Hitler would have been stopped in his tracks had it not been for millions of deadbeat Germans. Of course, not all Germans were oblivious to the insanity and horror of Nazism, but they were outnumbered by their Duh-souled neighbors, so Hitler just followed the line of least resistance (i.e., through the front rooms of the German enablers), and the 3rd Reich was born.

Bush has been (and still is) doing EXACTLY the same thing. His royal road to Bush/Hitlerdom is through the front rooms of most of our neighbors and relatives, i.e., pseudo human beings. When you talk to them (which mostly means listening to them), you hear about sports, barking dogs, religious babble, but mostly you hear about TV sitcoms, since this is their primary reality. They aren't couch potatoes. They TV androids. That screen IS their reality.

New Orleans? Global warming? Tax breaks for billionaires? Such things have NOTHING to do with their insect reality. What counts is their slug existence which is infinitely indifferent to the "real world" (yes, there really is one), and worldly suffering which would break the heart of a God, and our ballistic race for species extinction.

These are "fast food" people. They have no future (except the rest of tonight's television). They are not only indifferent to the future of humanity; they are equally indifferent to the future of their children.

Eventually in life, we have to come to terms with might have seemed embarrassing in childhood, and that is the human distinction between stupidity and intelligence. Call it IQ if you wish, the classification isn't important. What IS important is some of us respond to the challenge of life from our intelligence. Intelligence is real. In a way, it's the self awareness of nature, the cutting edge of evolution. So if your life is grounded in intelligence, that's where you live. You see reality process point blank.

As opposed to what? Who else, the enablers and deadbeats who seem to exhaust their cerebrum (which they rarely access) with movies and baseball and cokes. Psychologically put, they got "fixated" in grade school and that still rules their existence. They are the so called "adult children" (but without the magical grace of true children) -- Just whiny sludge-minded escapists.

OK. So what to do, since these pseudo humans are the bedrock of human existence. Certainly, there are individual and cultural exceptions, but the core functioning of the human race is grounded in deadbeats. And from deadbeats come vampire elites and from vampire elites come a militant police state and from a militant police state comes the transformation of humanity into terrified and obedient cattle.

The one thing we must be diamond clear about in all of this is that fascist elites are of gift of the deadbeats to the human adventure. Its so, so simple. No deadbeats, no fascists. Just humans doing our best to rise to the challenge of the infinitely subtle and complex reality/universe.

We've been called children of the universe. Can't beat that, but are Homo sapiens finally going down for the third time from the weight of the deadbeats?

You know what? If we do, they won't even know it.

But we will . . . and do?
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W. Christopher Epler (Bill)

<http://theliberationofrealism.blogspot.com/>
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:50 PM
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1. Deadbeat enablers of fascism = CEO's, CFO's, COO;s, right?
YES....they are a problem. They're vermin. in fact.

I'm not being sarcastic either.

Peace,
M_Y_H
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:51 PM
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2. At what point does "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" become evil?
How do we wake up the sleepwalking grasseaters?
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:03 PM
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3. sleepwalking grasseaters
"sleepwalking grasseaters"

Oh, that's a wonderful turn of phrase. Thanks. Don't have the answer though.

Bill
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:07 PM
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4. 'sleepwalking grasseaters' - that would be
YOU?

:think:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:19 PM
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5. Wow, what holier-than-thou walk on water perfect person gets to decide
who fits in this category? This shit sounds every bit as bad as what the damn repukes spew all the time about 'liberals'. What should we do with 'em? Gas chamber? Shoot 'em in the head? What?



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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:32 PM
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6. Even Jesus "got angry" n/t
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 06:32 PM by Mind_your_head
edit: removed extra keystroke
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:34 PM
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7. Yeah. But not in the low-rent fashion of the author of this idiot piece. The
way the author describes it if you aren't out in the street, you need to be done away with.

What a pantload.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:40 PM
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8. No......
what's wrong with 'low-rent' anyway? That's where some of the best people LIVE! :-)

:toast:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:42 PM
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9. That was funny.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:46 PM
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11. Take it as you will.....
Peace,
M_Y_H
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:24 PM
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15. Acknowledge that they're there
Acknowledge that they're there and are dominating the human condition -- how about that. Too tame for you?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:15 AM
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17. Sure there are people out there that don't participate. But quit being a
confrontational jerk. The original post makes it sound like they should all be taken out and shot. It was disgusting.

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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:24 AM
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18. Remedial English
We should sit you down and work on your reading comprehension. Try this passage and get back to us when you understand it: Better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:09 PM
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22. Your problem is that you're confused as to which one of us is the fool.
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 03:46 PM by acmavm
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:46 PM
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10. They aren't the problem
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 06:48 PM by Juche
It is the people who are full of resentment and hatred for blacks, gays, latinos and the poor, who are scared shitless of everything (foreign enemies, domestic enemies, economic problems, uncertainty) who are easily manipulated by the neofascists. Those people are the real danger, and they are the backbone of fascism. Frightened, xenophobic people who are gullible get played by the military and corporations into ruining their own lives. They are the ones I'd look out for. The ones who call Michael Savage on the phone and refer to him as 'doctor' or 'sir', those fuckups are the real danger because they are so scared of the world that they'll turn to any authority figure who they think will protect them, and overly aggressive fascists offer that.

The reality is not everyone is ever going to care. If you want people to care, ask them to participate. Just asking them to participate can increase levels of activity by 20-30%. But not everyone is going to care, not everyone has that mindset. I personally don't care about sports, and I doubt anyone can get me to care. Some other people don't care about civics. It is human nature.

And Hitler only won about 30% of the vote. The Communists & Social Democrats got the other 70%, so I wouldn't say he was enabled. He just took his tiny vote and schemed his way to the top.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:49 PM
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12. My goodness, this was the PERFECT rebuttal to that ignorant drivel.
I truly am impressed with your response. And agree with every single word.

Bravo!
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:01 PM
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14. Oh boy.....
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 07:02 PM by Mind_your_head
:popcorn:
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:56 PM
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13. Fascist elites
In one sense, the fascist elites are self-limiting. Once they get theirs, it's screw the rest of the people. They are too stupid to set up a sustainable program that continues beyond them. They think that they are smart, like Ken Lay and the rest of the "smartest people in the room" but they mistake knowing how to game one small flaw in the overall reality as real intelligence. In the end, they always end up trying to capture Stalingrad, getting caught in a land war in Asia, logging too many "off the book' transactions, or failing to get enough buyers into the next level of their Ponzi scheme. The best thing that can happen is that they just save the rest of us the trouble by shooting themselves in the head ( :applause: can I get you your pistol, Herr Fuhrer? :applause:) or having their heart give out (too bad, Kenny-boy). The worst is that they have to be rehabilitated into productive, functioning members of the same society that they have been ripping to shreds. Ken Lay, had he lived, could have been sentenced to public service, perhaps helping to deliver subsidized fuel oil to needy families, but no amount of deliveries could make up for his grandiose gaming of the system.

The real way to head off fascism, and deadbeats, and enablers, and scabs, is through education. But it is not just a lesson in school, it must be continuing education through all phases of life. Callous, insensitive people must be hauled back into line by making them EARN their way in the world, not just scam it through some trick they have found. It should be a required part of life to participate in the community, by helping out the less fortunate or by pitching in for the common good. The "laissez-faire" should be taken out of capitalism and be replaced by a "devez-faire", things you "must do" to earn the privilege of being part of the community.

There are a few fortunate people who have made good money off the poker craze in the last few years, yet they did nothing to earn their way to the final table except encounter some good fortune, and if they make a charitable contribution at the end, it is thought unusually noteworthy. I would propose that there be an admission charge to earn the privilege of playing in a casino. Not a monetary charge, but an accumulation of social credit which would allow admittance. Casinos now all have "player's cards" which log how many hours are played so that they can earn extra premiums; this should be reversed and premiums for community work should be earned before the hours can be played. Perhaps volunteering at a school for 1 hour would earn 10 hours of play; charitable organizations would then not have to beg for help, but have a surplus as deadbeats wanting to gamble would be lined up at their doors.

Liberals and the socially conscious have to harden their message, save their compassion for the truly unfortunate and needy, and quit giving the enablers, deadbeats, and scabs a free pass (actually they don't give them a pass, they just say "tisk, tisk" and leave them alone in their own world). They can't be allowed that free ride. They need to be dragged back, maybe even on a daily basis and told "no contributions, no privileges".

There was a time when cheap motels used to have coin-operated TV sets, drop a quarter to be able to watch 2 or 3 hours. In those days before free cable, the deadbeat TV watcher at least had to earn the privilege of watching TV, even if it was only one quarter at a time. If this type of behavioral conditioning were to be used in various different ways to stamp out fascism, it wouldn't take long before all the enablers, deadbeats and scabs were converted into productive people, enjoyable to be with. To those who would argue that you can't put those restrictions on a free people, I just laugh. They are as free as the 800-pound man confined to his bedroom by his obesity. Just as he needs to change his behavior and lose a few hundred pounds to save his life, so do the deadbeats. They need to change their behavior and learn to live with their fellow man to save their lives.

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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:46 PM
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16. Thoughtful and interesting
Thoughtful and interesting. Thanks. I'm still amazed that millions of people don't factor the deadbeats into political/social reality, when, to me, they are THE critical variable. It's also interesting how many of these responses projected extreme violence (there was no hint of that in my piece). With some of these venom machines if you write about nuns and flowers, they will still accuse you of murder. Sigh. Authentic stupidity has so many faces. Indeed these very out of touch with reality responses exemplify the problem. How can you talk to people who live in rooms covered with projection mirrors?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:00 PM
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19. good grief on a pogo stick !!!
Picture this:

Bell curve

Picture this:

"average"
as in....below average and above average.


Get it? You can't be so sanctimoniously superior without the "average".

YOU need the "deadbeats"....ironic, ain't it?


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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:14 PM
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20. pug talk
So now it's "sanctimoniously superior" to hold to account people who have abandoned America? Jeez, you got that trash straight from the pugs who never let people say anything "negative" about the destroyers of our country. Why are you DEFENDING these deadbeats? They are the mortal enemy of Democracy. Don't you care, or are you too busy playing grade school number games? Don't you realize that what you wrote (trying to stifle honest and factual criticism of a sickness in our country)IS ITSELF enabling. Get your values straight and keep your pug talk to yourself. We DO get to defend ourselves and we DO to criticize the mortal enemies of our Constitutional Republic. Get used to it.
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 06:06 PM
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24. The vampire elites, the elitopaths are the mortal enemies of our Constitution, IMO
The deadbeats or sleepwalking grasseaters, as I called them, may be enablers in a sense but they are the victims also. Victims never carry the majority of the responsibility for their victimhood. Now it's true that if they woke up they could stop this transformation of America, so how to wake them up?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:38 PM
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21. I'm afraid your post is based on a very limited understanding. Initially, it appears
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 02:43 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
to have merits, but you go catastrophically wrong in ascribing the recrudescence of "The Beast" to malign and stupid people.

You write:

"Call it IQ if you wish, the classification isn't important. What IS important is some of us respond to the challenge of life from our intelligence."

Hitler's primary and indispensable enablers were not people of an unworldly intelligence, but to the German industrialists and liberal professionals such as lawyers, physicians, etc. The good doctor, Mengele, doubtless had a very high IQ, but was a devil incarnate.

Nor were Hitler and Mussolini indebted solely to such individuals in Germany and Italy, but rather, to their counterparts in Britain, US, Australia, Canada, indeed, in the whole of the Western World, who constituted the "educated", monied classes.

The historian, A J P Taylor, stated that when he was standing as the Conservative candidate for Oxford, Lord Hailsham, the then Quentin Hogg, Thatcher's* Mr Law and Order used the slogan, "A vote for Hogg is a vote for Hitler." Of course, he won the seat. The hidden history of this all-consuming corporatism we are so grievously suffering under at this time, goes back a long way.

* Is it any wonder that, unlike so many, far more gifted young people at that time, who had either been studying at universities or had just qualified to do so, she chose to continue her studies at Cambridge University, rather than contribute to the war effort?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:21 PM
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25. Just for historical accuracy, the slogan was thought up by Hogg's opponents
See http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MQGAXGB4GLkC&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=%22A+vote+for+Hogg+is+a+vote+for+Hitler%22&source=web&ots=2WufJM_EPJ&sig=esiKlPi3rdOevDle_GwhEueBnYU&hl=en - "'A vote for Hogg is a vote for Hitler' proclaimed loudspeaker vans on Lindsey's behalf, though without his authority. (This slogan was reputedly devised by the linguistic philosopher J.L. Austin - 'the only proposition of Austin's I ever managed to understand', A.J.P. Taylor once confessed)".

And Thatcher went to Oxford, not Cambridge; she only went there in 1944. I don't think an 18 year old girl going to study chemistry is really shirking the war effort. If she'd just stayed a chemist, she might have been more use to us ...
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:27 PM
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28. "Reputedly"? I prefer to accept the authority of the historian, A J P Taylor
Edited on Fri May-16-08 02:56 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
re the provenance of that slogan, than that of Messrs Cook and Ramsden, the authors of your Google preview.

After all it is no secret that the monied people throughout the West virtually worshipped Hitler and Mussolini. The Daily Mail has been a bye-word for imperialist jingoism from Northcliffe's day, and indeed, the merciless greed of our pre-war establishment, at the expense of the poor, the last of the colonies (though always with you), is still remembered by nonagenarians today. So a moral repugnance for Nazism would, frankly, not have been anomalous in the least. Our establishment shared the visceral anti-semitism of the Nazis, who admired our empire, as much as they were admired by our leaders. Their concentration camps were modelled on those we erected for the Boers in South Africa.

As for Thatcher going to Oxford not Cambridge, it had occurred to me that that might be the case, but these issues are so fundamental to morality and depravity that to quibble over which wing of Oxbridge she attended strikes me as inappropriately pedantic. Many less ambiguously distinguished people than her, at the height of their fame and fortune saw fit to return to this country from the four corners of the globe, to fight in the war. And no, I don't think ice-cream evaluation would have contributed greatly to the sum of human happiness. Were her vocation as an ice-cream analyst never so laudable however, she clearly considered that, to assist rich people to evade paying taxes, was the way to go. It's distressing to think of the anguish she must have experienced at the choice facing her.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:00 PM
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23. we stop blaming them for our failures?
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 04:01 PM by Two Americas
We are not offering an alternative narrative, a strong traditional left wing program. "Be intelligent like us you stupid morons" is not ever going to work, and is not even a political program at all.

So long as we persist in the futile and arrogant attempt to remake human nature in our image rather than fighting for the people, we are the main enablers of fascism.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:01 PM
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27. What would you suggest?
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:59 PM
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26. Elitist!
Yes, that was sarcasm. I actually agree with most of what you say.

However, I would dispute decribing the "sleepers" (a term from mysticism) as "psychopaths". Granted, this is mainly an academic difference but psychopaths lack a moral compass whereas most sleepers seem to have one but be simply oblivious to it. In that sense, they are closer to sociopaths (the two share similar behaviour but quite different causes).
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