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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:01 PM
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How Did We Get Here? Wheels Turn as U.S. / Nazi Germany Parallels Grow Starker
"Never again?"

How did we get into an unwinnable occupation of Iraq? What parallels are there?

In February of 2002, more than a year before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, members of Congress urged Americans to consider the rationale of the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act and warned that it threatened our rights under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth Amendments and put our nation on the road to a permanent war economy. In May of 2002, Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei claimed they could certify Iraqi weapons compliance within one year with inspections. In July of 2002, Scott Ritter, former chief inspector of the UN Special Commission in Iraq, reinterated that Iraq was 90% to 95% in compliance with its Security Council proscription on weapons of mass destruction capability. In October of 2002, 23 Senators and 133 Representatives, not fooled by Bush Administration dissembling rhetoric conflating Iraq with 9/11, voted against the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, the Iraq War Resolution.

In February of 2003, tens of millions of people protested against the expected invasion of Iraq in more than 800 cities around the world in the largest protests in all of human history. Protests occurred among others in the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Syria, India, Russia, South Korea, Japan, and even McMurdo Station in Antarctica. Two million protesters gathered in London's Hyde Park alone and three million more in Rome.

Pope John Paul II made more than fifty public addresses in which he condemned the war in Iraq prior to its inception and he sent a special emissary, Pio Laghi, to the White House to convey his disapproval. U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan proclaimed that the invasion of Iraq was “not in conformity with the UN charter… from the charter point of view, it was illegal.”

We are now mired in the permanent war economy we were warned about. Massive budget deficits loom forever. The occupation of Iraq has already cost over $500 Billion and the lives of 4,065 brave U.S. soldiers. "Progress" in Iraq is measured by how fast the Iraqis can amend their Constitution to sanction the pirating away of their oil revenues by foreign corporations. There was no "Al Qaeda" in Iraq before the invasion and now there is. The occupation has proven a fertile ground for recruitment of future terrorists and suicide bombers. Iraq has become our "West Bank." Iraqis have less electricity and dirtier drinking water than before the invasion.

Looking for parallels?

When the Nazis came to power the most pressing issue was an unemployment rate of close to 30%. Germans felt humiliated by the reparations and loss of land imposed by the Treaty of Versailles. The Nazis promised strong government, cessation of civil unrest, radical changes to economic policy, cultural renewal based on traditionalism, military rearmament in opposition to the Treaty of Versailles, and restored national pride that the Nazis claimed was lost in the Treaty of Versailles and in the liberal democracy of the Weimar Republic. In this atmosphere, Hitler's government used massive budget deficits to achieve full employment through imposing a war economy.

On the night of February 27, 1933 the Reichstag building was set on fire and Dutch council communist Marinus van der Lubbe was found inside the building. He was arrested and charged with starting the blaze. The event had an immediate effect on thousands of anarchists, socialists and communists throughout the Reich, many of whom were sent to the Dachau concentration camp. The unnerved public worried that the fire had been a signal meant to initiate the communist revolution, and the Nazis found the event to be of immeasurable value in getting rid of potential insurgents. The event was quickly followed by the Reichstag Fire Decree, rescinding habeas corpus and other civil liberties. Hitler used the Reichstag fire to consolidate power and achieve passage of The Enabling Act. The act gave the government (and thus effectively the Nazi Party) legislative powers and also authorized it to deviate from the provisions of the constitution for four years. With these powers, Hitler removed the remaining opposition and turned the Weimar Republic into the "Third Reich". He then set about prosecuting unjust and illegal invasions of other countries. Nazi Germany

In January of 2001, the Defense Department-chartered U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century (Hart-Rudman Commission) issued its report to the incoming administration stating that terrorism was such an imminent threat that "Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly in large numbers." So the Bush Administration gave $43 million to the Taliban, making the United States the world's largest supporter of the Taliban in 2001. On August 6, 2001, President George W. Bush got a Presidential Daily Briefing entitled "Bin Laden determined to strike in US." He didn't read it. On the morning of September 11, 2001, three hijacked jet airplanes slammed into the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. and two of the towers of the World Trade Center in New York City. Bush and the Republican Congress quickly forced through passage of the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, curtailing civil rights and ushering in illegal spying on American citizens. Secret CIA prisons, inter-country "rendition" and torture followed. In this über-nationalistic environment, the whitewashed criminals of Iran-Contra brought back into governmental power by Bush set about prosecuting an unjust and illegal invasion of Iraq, a country that posed no threat and which had nothing to do with the September 11 attacks.

What we should have learned from WWII is the threat that unchecked nationalism poses to a fearful or economically disadvantaged citizenry.

The world gains nothing by substituting "Muslims" for "Jews" when fervent nationalists use religious subterfuge to foment hatred and distrust. This should be the lesson we learn from the "Project for a New American Century" nuts running the world into the ditch in a Crusade against Islam.

The world gains nothing by ignoring the lessons in the far larger genocide of the Americas, which killed off perhaps 10 times the number of people killed in WWII. Even today, there are more native Mayan people speaking their own language and living their culture than there are Jews in the whole world. Where's their country?

But most of all, as the fathers and grandfathers of The Greatest Generation fade into history, we are the people of whom the future will ask, "How could they let that happen again?"

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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:03 PM
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1. you want to create fascism in a country with only two major parties.
you either take over both parties or you take over one and co-opt the other through either blackmail or bribery.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:07 AM
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2. You know what, there are no simple "parallels". Give it up, please.
Nazi Germany was a unique beast. The Bush Administration is horrible in its own glaring spotlight.

It truly is a comparison of apples and oranges.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:28 AM
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3. There are many elderly people who lived through the reign of ...
...that "unique beast" who speak out about the parallels they see between then and now, there and here. They aren't giving it up. The fruit is bitter in both cases, though we have yet to see how far these obvious parallels will continue into the future.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:04 AM
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4. Here in holland in some ways it's worse!
You have the anti-immigrant bull shit here, which has spawned ToN Trots Op Nederlands (Proud of Netherlands) which is a nationalistic party that blames everything on us verdomme buitenlanders, rot allochtonen! (damned ferignerz!)

The policies are going very corporate friendly lately, and we are still the most taxed in the world (In our opinion, 20% sales tax, 6% food tax, and a tax structure that starts and ends with the middle class)

Health insurance is mandated, EVERYONE MUST HAVE IT! However that does not mean it's federally controlled, there are still health insurance companies here. I pay about 100e a month for my insurance - which my company covers - but that's still ON TOP OF MY NORMAL TAXES!
My wife's insurance costs MORE, and that 's st ill cheaper than if she were to buy it new (her diabetes started when she was 12,after she already had a policy, so it's not a pre-existing condition).

It's just weird... I'm seeing all the bullshit back home happen in slow motion here. At least in California i could vote against it. Here, with the Parliamentary system, even if I could vote i don't know what good it would do.

Minority views like the Nazi's do very well in parliamentary system where there are many parties. The people's intentions are diffused by the great variety. While I would not mind a 3rd or 4th major party, there is strength in numbers and unity of purpose.

There will always be a minority of those who hate without thought. They hate because the others are different. there will always be a 15-20% to vote for the RW haters and morans, and such. The hardest part the liberals (us real lefties) have is that we see other views as worthy of debate, when some are not. We are then hit by the very fascists when we sometimes say, enough hate and fear mongering with our very tolerance.

"Dear God, please protect me from your fan club"
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:07 AM
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5. Really?
Other than your kneejerk rejection, just how is this fascist regime different from the one back then. Specific examples please.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:09 AM
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6. I was here, (lurking) before 9/11, and I've observed
over the past 7 years how, every time someone tries to raise the alarm and point out the parallels to the rise of Nazi Germany, there's a concerted effort to say it isn't so.

Year after year, as America marched into Fascism. I have wracked my brain to try to understand why some are in such a state of denial. I don't know what, psychologically, is driving that.

What does "Never again!" really mean, then?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:17 AM
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10. I do believe the USA is steadily becoming more and more fascist.
Edited on Fri May-09-08 12:48 AM by quantessd
I was not trying to imply that the USA is more "free" than Nazi Germany. Not at all. All I was saying, is that Nazi Germany vs. Bush's-America is a hackneyed and overdone comparison.

DUers get offended when someone points out that Bush regime is not exactly like the Third Reich. Well, it isn't! Different time, different place, different situation, different zeitgeist.

Yes, the oppresion and fascism are similar, but that's pretty much where it ends. It is a blunt comparison.

I think the Bush Administration is equally horrible as Hitler, but in different ways. Sorry if that is too nuanced for all you DUers flaming me.

truth2power, I chose to reply to you because of your comment "some are in such a state of denial". I'm not in denial the USA is fascist and oppressive, and I'm sorry my post didn't express that.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:18 PM
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20. No, it is evidently too nuanced for you! Only you somehow managed to
convince yourself that the author of the OP thought there was an exact correspondence! No, that truly beggars belief.
"In different ways"? Well, who'd a thunk?

And how anyone can criticise posts on such a theme as hackneyed or overdone is disturbing. Tell that to an Iraqi. Hey, let's all just post catchy innovative stuff, shall we? Nothing about the war, the economy, any subject seen on here before.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:58 PM
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19. I'm with you
Why the adamant denials?
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rdenney Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 07:10 PM
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23. Police armed with machine guns, a war for oil in Iraq, a news media that totally corrupted, national
-ism on the rise (the repugs all wear the flag lapel just like the Nazi's wore their swastika lapels) I could go on and on but no one wants to see the truth for what it is. Sieg Hiel, baby.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:36 AM
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12. For one, the technology is different. The world is different.
We are now on a global scale. Another glaringly obvious point is that Jews are not singled out.

I think that the comparison gets tiresome for many, not just me. Why can't a dictator be different yet equally heinous? Or even, different than Hitler, yet WORSE in some ways?

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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:10 PM
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17. No, Muslims are

There are plenty in the right-wing who want a new Christian Crusade against the Muslims.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:41 AM
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7. There are numerous similarities
and while it's not distinctly parallel, there are enough similarities to merit a comparison.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:29 AM
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11. Okay, that I can agree with.
In general, I'm bored of the exaggerated comparisons between this administration and the Nazis (as are many others), and I'm annoyed by the suggestion that Bush and Hitler are soulmates. My snap comment was a little reactive, and maybe I was already in an irritated mood when I wrote it.

I do agree that some of the blueprint ideas are the same. Not exactly, but yes, there are some similarities.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 09:00 AM
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8. Well McCain isn't Bush either -- but he's close enough for me!
Bush will always be a "unique beast" in American history -- but McCain is close enough to him to scare the pants off of me. In fact, McCain might even be worse in lots of ways -- mostly because he has a major head start on turning us into a fascist dictatorship. The hard work has already been done by Cheney and Bush.

And if McCain gets in, don't think Der Fuhrer Cheney will be going anywhere. He and his henchmen will always be lurking in the shadows.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:38 AM
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13. I totally agree with you. (no text)
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:57 AM
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9. The basics are all exactly like the rise of Hitler.
Most Americans didn't think Hitler was all that bad at the time, in fact many supported him during his rise.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:43 AM
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14. Okay, now that I can also agree with.
Both seem/ed like guys you could clink a beer mug with, and roar about your country, uber alles!

I'm just bored with people who say that Hitler and Bush are soulmates, that's all.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:11 PM
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18. Prescott Bush among them

At least until he had his bank taken away under the "Trading with the Enemy" Act.

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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:30 PM
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21. From what I understand ol' Prescott was hedging his bets.
He was a big fan thoughout his rise and fall, even while his own son was fighting the Axis in the Pacific.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:19 PM
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22. The money held by the Federal Government in trust went to bankroll G.H.W.'s candidacy for President

So you could say that Bush got elected on Nazi money.


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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:56 AM
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15. Tried to rec but too late. Kick. nt
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:01 PM
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16. Thanks for the try!

:thumbsup:

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