"No Self Respecting Woman Should Wish or Work for the Success of a Party That Ignores Her Sex."

[papau]

http://www.worldnewstrust.com/mamblog/default-category/no-self-respecting-women-should-wish-or-work-for-the-success-of-a-party-that-ignores-her-sex.html


"No Self Respecting Woman Should Wish or Work for the Success of a Party That Ignores Her Sex."
Susan B. Anthony 1872

I think Dean has completely lost his mind if he thinks the party isn't going to revolt over all this manipulation and race baiting, sexism that he never said a word about. If they thought they were just showing a small amount of anti-Hillary bias, that small amount has enraged one hell of a lot of voters. When this is all over there are a many people that Hillary supporters will no longer believe in - Who knew it would get this nasty with Hillary Clinton and all her supporters being thrown under a bus for the golden boy? Oh Obama and his fans project on to Hillary that SHE is "divisive" when it is his race card playing, smearing campaign, the DNC bias on Florida and Michigan, and the party bias favoring extra delegates for AA areas which Obama's change the subject from Hillary's NH win race card playing was so successful getting extra delegates for Obama. Throw in caucuses that give the vote loser more delegates than the winner via Move-on flooding the caucus room, and the DNC will never get another dime from a lot of folks.

If the young female groupies voting for Obama are worried about the Supreme Court, then they can gear up for the fight instead of wasting their time sipping lattes and getting their nails done. I'm sorry, but their pleas to consider Roe V Wade are falling on deaf ears. If they're really concerned about women's rights, then vote for the woman who's fought for them her entire life instead of the candidate that allows a woman to be vilified and worse in his pursuit of the Presidency.

The comment on CNN's Cafferty's blog that a lot of women still feel that they needed a man to take care of them, does not go deep enough into what has happened. Women who get their self esteem from displaying breast and butt for every male in sight, women who think they are incomplete without a man, the women who will tear down any woman who might be prettier or smarter or more accomplished then they are, seem to be a large part of the Obama fan club.
The DNC must not be allowed to take women (and seniors) for granted ever again. Folks must ask themselves if a McCain victory would be a lesser problem than letting the DNC go on with its current keep Hillary off the ticket program. If this is not stopped now, when will it be stopped?

"Just not THIS woman" raises the question "Just how perfect would you like a female candidate to be!?! Obama can lie and he gets a pass...she has a life long list of credentials of fighting for causes they say they care about, but she's not good enough? Then WHO?

Obama has done what the GOP has been unable to do for decades: fracture the Democratic Party to a point where it may never become whole again.

"It's Hillary or It's Nobody! No we won't" bumper stickers that are now on a few cars may well be just the beginning.

Seniors may not be a long term DNC problem since by definition we will not be here that long. But Obama's dump on the possibility that seniors are against him because they have seen more, understand more clearly his words and body language and read him as "campaign talk with no real intent to make changes" - Obama's campaign saying that seniors reject him out of fear of change and the rapid loss of intelligence due to old age - will make this generation of seniors a much smaller part of the vote as they stay home rather than vote. The "no place to go" is indeed true - there are only a few that are mad enough to vote for McCain. But many will stay home if Hillary is not on the ticket.

[Yael]

1. My party doesn't ignore my sex

It just said that of the female candidates, we ran the wrong one this year.

[aquart]

3. Yes, of course. And the right one would be....

Please name the woman who is the right woman to run for president and explain why she is NOT running for president. Has she, perhaps, not been born yet?

The biggest, most pathetic, of the self deceptions in this campaign is the one where the supporters of the man say the only reason they don't support the woman is because of HER, personally, that traitorous monster, that horrible being. It's only because of WHO she is not what she is.

No, we wouldn't treat another woman this badly. It's all Hillary's fault.

It makes me so sad to hear this from young women, who believe they are thinking independently.

Now go put on those spike heels, dear, and wobble for the boys.

[Yael]

7. She is no role model.

She is a lying, manipulative POS and I would encourage any young woman looking up to her to realize that actions have consequences and not follow in her footsteps.

As far as the better candidate. No need. Hillary just put another Ferraro generation in play. It will be 20 years before another one will be able to get the stink of her campaign off of the party.

[alarimer]

47. Obama is also lying and manipulative.

He's a POLITICIAN. HE is by definition a lying sack of shit.

Se how easy that is to do.

[Skittles]

61. you know it, alarimer

it boggles my mind how many DUers do not understand this - HRC and Obama are POLITICANS

[dubeskin]

17. How about Boxer?

I guarantee you that she is a lot cleaner than Hillary, and personally, would be a lot more liked FEMALE candidate, who actually could have a chance.

Hillary was running on quite a bit of things. It was her own fault that her campaign went down. She went for the politics of Old Washington. It was not blatant sexism which put her in this position. It was her own mismanaging, faith in others (Bill, Terry...) and the fact that she was not able to inspire voters as well as Obama was.

From the first primary, I accepted that I would vote for the Democratic Nominee no matter what. At first Clinton had fair chances. But the more she opened her mouth, lies and false claims were spewed that muddied her campaign. The more her campaign began to falter, the more cries of SEXISM came from her. "Vote for me because I'm a woman! If you don't, you're sexist!" That is what the Hillary side said, her supporters and to some degree her. And then as Obama began to widen his lead over her, she began to turn nasty. She tried to split the party. Make it so that the Democrats would have no chance unless she WAS the nominee for November.

Now look where she's at. Her own manipulative and greedy self is bankrupt, losing, and laughed at. She has no one to blame but herself and her mismanaging of a doomed campaign.

[aquart]

53. So why isn't she running? Where is your support?

Where is the support of your friends?

Please. It is so sad that you believe Boxer wouldn't be called exactly the same names as Hillary Clinton if she ever had the brazen, amazing courage to run for the presidency.

And you think you've thought of this all by your sweet little self. It was so easy to play you, a baby could have done it.

[NanceGreggs]

25. ...

"It makes me so sad to hear this from young women, who believe they are thinking independently."

They don't believe they are thinking independently, they ARE thinking independently. And part of that independence means supporting the candidate they believe in, rather than the candidate that other women are telling them to support.

You really don't get it. The truly liberated woman does not do as she is told by men - any more than she does what she is told by other women.

[chknltl]

40. Thank You for this response.

Just so you know: YOU are appreciated deeply. :patriot:

[chknltl]

39. I am against Senator Clinton because of who she represents.

SURE, I too would have a problem with folks who choose against a representative due to race or gender. Fortunately that is not what MOST DUers base their support on. (Although one would be led to think otherwise given the inordinate amount of anguish here in the DU regarding this topic.)

Speaking just for me I am against Senator Clinton because of some of the folks she represents:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6104213&mesg_id=6104213
In this case I am against Sen. Clinton for WHO she is: "a representative of the corporatists" as opposed to WHAT she is, "a woman".

I would not only treat another woman like this, I would treat another man this same way as well. Gender or race has utterly NOTHING to do with my feelings on the three hopefuls, it is who has the FEWEST corporate ties that matter to me and IMO should be what matters to each and every member of America's middle and poor classes.

So go ahead and remove those spiked heals or leave them on...doesn't matter to me, this boy ain't interested in what sort of shoes a fellow voter wears when voting to stop the decay of our democracy.

On edit: btw, I would LOVE to see Senator Patty Murray, D Wa. as VP.

[NanceGreggs]

41. Well, for starters ...

The right one would be someone who doesn't lie about sniper-fire and then, when caught in the lie, refuses to take responsibility for her words.

The right one would be someone who doesn't lower herself to mentioning "hard-working WHITE Americans" in a contest with a black opponent.

The right one would be someone who doesn't play girl, the victim or the martyr when confronted with any opposition.

The right one would be someone who doesn't claim her husband's "experience" as her own.

The right one would be someone who doesn't endorse a Republican POTUS contender as being a better bet than a fellow Democrat.

The right one would be someone who doesn't claim to be able to successfully run a country while obviously not being able to run an even remotely successful campaign.

The right one would be someone who pledges to NOT COUNT votes in certain states and then STICKS TO HER WORD, even when she's losing.

The right one would be smart enough to realize that if you make a federal case out of trivial nonsense like "bitter-gate", talking about "assassination" is going to come back and bite you in the ass - HARD.

The right one would be politically savvy enough to know (especially when running on the "politically experienced" platform) that a reference to races that went on into June DO NOT REQUIRE a reference to someone being murdered as a result.

The right one would be smart enough to graciously bow out when it was overwhelmingly apparent that they COULD NOT WIN, instead of changing the goalposts every fifteen minutes, or lying about their "lead" in the popular vote and/or invoking things like "performance in swing states" and "electoral votes" - knowing full well that such numbers are not relevant in a primary race.

The right one would be astute enough to realize that when you're stiffing small business vendors during the course of your campaign, it might not be a good idea to repeatedly talk about your concern for the "little guy" who is constantly getting stiffed.

In essence, the right one would be everything Hillary Clinton has shown she is NOT.

[Yael]

44. w00t!! Speaks for me.

:applause:

[alarimer]

46. The language that Obama supporters use is very telling.

Words like "insane" (despite no evidence that this is true at all, and no MALE candidates is tagged with that label), bitch, witch, and worse indicate to me that a lot of the "Hillary-hate" is purely sexist.

[roseBudd]

51. Insane does not fit Obama, it fits McCain so why would we call Obama insane...

when he is as cool as a cucumber

[Prophet 451]

57. Barbara Boxer

Want a few more? OK, Lynn Woolsey, Tammy Baldwin, Barbara Lee and Louise Slaughter. Why they aren't running, I don't know, you'd have to ask them.

That there has been a current of sexism in this campaign is undeniable (Chris Matthews has been especially guilty) but to pretend that is the only reason Senator Clinton has lost is insulting and the overuse of the sexism accusation is damaging to the struggle against actual sexism.

[beac]

64. Yeah, staying with the a-hole of a husband who repeatedly cheats on you and

humiliates you in front of the world just so you can claim HIS accomplishments as your own and use his name to advance your career is a GREAT example for young women.

:puke:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

68. Bitter much?

Did it ever occur to you that for many of us, we don't give a damn what color or gender a candidate is?

You mock young Obama women by claiming they don't think independently, yet you seem to prefer Hillary solely because of her gender.

[boobooday]

2. Loose women for Obama! No wait, ugly, bitter, slutty, stupid women for Obama!

What next?

This is vicious. And divisive.

[Yael]

10. Yes, and apparently, we are all to put spike heels on and wobble "for the boys"

Or so aquart just told me.

Who knew!

[boobooday]

15. "wobble for the boys!"

Shake that booty, you sexist woman!

Odd that this OP is the most sexist rhetoric I've heard, much more so than anything from the media or certainly from the Obama campaign.

[scarletwoman]

29. It's confusing. We're out there wantonly baring our breasts & bottoms, yet at the same time,

we are obviously ugly losers who are jealous of all the nice pretty women who want Clinton for president.

sw

(edited because I just noticed a word out of order in my subject line)

[Yael]

32. Its a sexist quagmire!

[boobooday]

34. Maybe we should compromise - one cheek in, one cheek out

Withdraw the breasts gradually . . .

:wtf:

[Yael]

35. I am having trouble even picturing that

:rofl:

[boobooday]

36. I know, it's really kind of a half-assed approach

To redeeming our ladylike dignity.

:rofl:

[Yael]

38. Bwa!

:rofl:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

4. my objections to Hillary: 1. She voted for Iraq war. 2. Dynasty a bad idea.

this isn't about Hillary, its about Bill's third term.

Two is the limit.

If Barbara Boxer were running, I'd vote for her.

She was honest enough to vote against the Iraq war.

Barbara Boxer did the right thing.

NO "DE FACTO" THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTONS

[DogPoundPup]

23. Beautiful! And DON'T FORGET N-A-F-T-A

[roseBudd]

50. my objections: 1. IWR was a cowardly vote 2. Dynasty 3. MOST Important is her unfavorables

she is not likeable enough to change people's minds about her and an HRC POTUS would be nothing but gridlock IF she could overcome those unfavorables to beat McCain who is not a Mittens type BORE.

[samdogmom]

5. Give. Me. A. Break. PLEASE!

As a woman, I'm begging you to stop this nonsense. The racism and sexism charges are just over the top!

My take: people only see what they want to see. If they think they see racism or sexism--then, they see this lurking behind every post, etc.

However--Hillary has brought all of her campaign problems on all by herself--no sexism involved at all...just stupidity!

She ran a very bad campaign and she said a lot of stupid things--she's finished! She'd be done even if she was a green Martian boy--no sexism or racism involved! Got it?

[Yael]

12. No, they don't get it.

Their queen wasn't coronated on schedule so now the entire country (world!) must pay.

[samdogmom]

20. Sigh!

My biggest regret is that she's giving COMPETENT women a bad name! Gosh dang it...I am very competent and I've never had a problem relating to male co-workers/bosses, etc. But, Hillary has caused me much concern! She is giving me a bad name and I just want her to stop her nonsense! My co-workers and bosses respect me, gosh dang it, Hillary. It's totally bogus that she's claiming sexism right now.

Believe me, if you're competent...no one notices your race, sex, religion, etc. Competence rules! Got that, Hillary?

[Yael]

22. And there, boys and girls, is Hillary's legacy

HRC -- setting back equality by 40 years.

[beac]

65. Competent Bitches for Obama!

Another bumpersticker I would proudly slap on my car!


Hillary has set the womens movement back by DECADES by being EXACTLY what Rush Limbaugh and his ilk think all feminists are --- whiney and petulant.

[movonne]

6. I thought after Friday this would be a 'NO CHANCE'

[MrsT]

8. And disappointed Clinton supporters are dumb enough to wish and work for McCain?

I am not buying it.

[Yael]

13. You apparently haven't been to HCForum.net

Where "Karl Rove was right all along", "Brit Hume is the most trusted name in news", "Rush makes excellent points" and "Sean Hannity is the greatest thing since sliced bread".

They have an active elect McCain group.

The only name I am waiting to see put on a pedestal over there is Ann Coulter.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. Me neither. I have good friends who happen to support Clinton. But as soon as Obama has the

nomination they are going to work for and vote for him.

That's because my friends aren't stupid.

Only an idiot would wish for a McCain victory. I don't believe Democrats are idiots.

[panader0]

9. I'm confused. Should I ingore the sex of a candidate

or pay attention to it and give it weight? Should I ignore the race of a candidate or give weight to it?
Obama's campaign has never been sexist.

[DJ13]

11. Hillary is NOT the "victim" of sexism

She's a victim of running one of the worst campaigns in recent memory.

[DavidMS]

56. I have to disagree with you there...

You didn't have a ringside seat when Kathleen Kennedy Townsend snatched defeat from the Jaws of Victory and let us with the incompetent Ehrlich as Governor for 4 years.

Hillary is not doing the party any favors at this point.

[lisa58]

16. this is ridiculous...when are we just going to be people?

[mcctatas]

18. I support Obama because...

"I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naïve or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman." ~Anaïs Nin

[C_U_L8R]

19. Hillary cannot face up to her own shortcomings

and finds a feeble excuse in declaring "sexism".
Her failures are all her own. She earned each and every one.

[benddem]

21. PUHLEEZ

it is not the woman we reject it is the candidate. Her campaign is a mess. There is no message discipline and no financial discipline. Look how many people have been let go (fired) from the campaign. They spent all her money before Super Tuesday cause no one ever expected this to last this long. They left U of IN or IN U. with a debt of $55,000.00. Huge mistake and not my fault for not trusting the candidate. The lies, the pandering and the nasty comments have all been made by this candidate.
Stop this nonsense. I don't know who this idiot who wrote the original that you copied but he is also way off base.

[Raejeanowl]

24. Do You Have A Link?

Quoting Obama or a representative dismissing seniors as "rejecting him out of fear of change and the rapid loss of intelligence due to old age?" I sincerely wish to confirm this allegation if that is possible. Thanks.

[shimmergal]

62. Yes, I too would

like a link or citation to this quote.

[scarletwoman]

26. "...the young female groupies voting for Obama ...wasting their time sipping lattes and getting

their nails done."

Wow. That is absolutely breathtaking in its inanity.

I am utterly grateful that I don't live in that woman's head. It must suck to feel so put upon and victimized all the time.

I don't want Clinton because she is a DLCer, period. I have always considered the DLC to be unequivocally anathema to the Democratic Party, and it has never made any sense to me whatsoever that any so-called progressive would want them in power.

I consider the DLC a cancer, a parasitic infestation that needs to be removed for the health and survival of the Democratic party as a vehicle for serving the interests of the people over the interests of the wealthy and well-connected. I know that's not the Dem Party I'll get if the Clinton/DLC faction take the reins in the White House again.

That's why I vehmently oppose her. Her genitilia are irrelevent. I'm not going to support a politician just because I share her gender if I find her ideology to be abhorrant.

"Women who get their self esteem from displaying breast and butt for every male in sight, women who think they are incomplete without a man, the women who will tear down any woman who might be prettier or smarter or more accomplished then they are, seem to be a large part of the Obama fan club."

My gawd, what a stupid and venomous broad brush insult directed toward women who happen to disagree with your choice of candidate. That's supposed to be an argument FOR voting for Clinton? Like, if you're a woman who won't vote for Clinton you're a stupid, venal slut?

Egads...
sw

[beac]

66. Yeah, but a stupid, venal slut with an awesome manicure and a sweet caffeine buzz!

;)

Seriously, what's more sexist than calling a candidates female supporters "groupies"????

[gristy]

27. Oh, please.

This is just silly.

[sellitman]

28. Whoever stay home are just as bad as those who vote for McSame.

Petulant children who the Democrats are better off without.

I liken them to Lieberman.

There is the door.

[scarletwoman]

30. "I liken them to Lieberman." That's really quite apt.

:thumbsup:

[alarimer]

48. I am not voting this year because I have no candidate.

Obama is a lying snake oil salesman. I don't trust him and I do not like him. I will never in a million years vote for him. I can vote (or not vote) for whomever I want and you can go fuck yourself.

[BlueJazz]

31. Ah...I want to hear more about the Spike heels and Wobbling.

[Yael]

33. ...

:spank:

[justinaforjustice]

37. Sexist, Insulting and Illiterate Garbage. n/t

[chknltl]

42. I haven't seen anyone in this thread who wants to vote for Obama...

...because he ain't a woman. Nor have I seen anyone here say that they are against Clinton because she IS a woman. Strange huh?

[Robbien]

43. A Scaife publication: World Trust News. Articles' sole intent is to promote rabid right

Why are you posting freeper garbage here?

[Yael]

45. They are the only ones giving Hillary air/print time anymore?

[muriel_volestrangler]

58. No, World News Trust is nothing to do with Scaife

Its managing editor is a DUer - see eg http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=109x33174

A look around the site should reassure you it isn't right wing.

[roseBudd]

49. Anyone who uses latte whether they are Republican or supposedly a Democrat causes me to IGNORE them.

So keep pushing the latte liberal talking point, as in the entire crowd of 75,000 at the Oregon rally is made up of latte liberals

[dorkulon]

52. So the only way to avoid being a sexist is to vote Hillary, whether you like her or not.

Roger. Guess I'm a sexist then.

[susankh4]

55. Sort of like I'm a racist.

Divide and conquer. Oh well....

White men in the white house forever!

[ozymandius]

54. This is some of the most pathetic political calculus I've read in ages.

Because the DNC has marked a favorite candidate (not a female) based on the voting results then the other candidate's supporters are going to flock to the Republican party. And this is based n what? Bumper sticker psychology and projecting one's inferences of body language on a demographic group.

It reads like something from the pen of Richard Mellon Scaife himself. Pathetic.

[rosesaylavee]

59. Been a feminist for the past 30 years.

I prefer Obama over Clinton. There are several excellent women political, business amd community leaders out there right now because the feminist movement laid the groundwork for this to happen 30-40 years ago. Any one of these leaders may step forward in the next 4 or more years to choose to run for president. And if she has a platform that I like and I feel that she has the strength and wisdom needed for the job, I will support her

I just don't think Clinton's the right candidate for president. She is a fine Senator and will continue to have a great career in the Senate or whatever position may be offered her by the next administration. I liked Ms. Clinton a great deal in the 90s and defended her and her husband for more than a decade from her detractors. Her campaign has done much to convince me that I was wrong in my original assessment of her.

I also liked Dodd, Biden, Kucinich and Gore for president and none of them get to have the job either though they were/are very worthy and experienced. Obama is my latest choice and of course I would vote for the nominee no matter who that is. I will never vote for a woman for the mere sake that she is a woman... EVER. I don't think that is logical to think that women would do that across the board.

I have a great deal of faith that we will have a female candidate for president in my lifetime. Senator Clinton has moved the national attitude in a positive way in that regard. Nationally, I think we are now more ready to have a female president than at any other time in our nation's history.

[Foolacious]

63. What rosesaylavee said ("Been a feminist for the past 30 years.")

Thank you, rosesaylavee. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[rosesaylavee]

67. Thanks Foolacious!

And welcome to our crazy little corner of the world.

:hi:

Not sure if you have been warned to put your armor on if wandering into the General Discussion: Primaries forum... so let me be the first. Once the nominee is determined, we will get back to being more of less crazy selves. Hope you stick around for that.

[TooRaLoo]

60. That's the most offensive piece of filth I've ever read on DU.

It's like a car wreck - hard to stop looking at.