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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:21 PM
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What You Should Know About Women's Rights in Afghanistan
Huffington Post

Anand Gopal /April 13

Just as the world's eyes are turning towards Afghanistan once again, a few conservative Afghan lawmakers are trying to pass a law that would, amongst other things, legalize marital rape, prohibit women from leaving the home without permission, deny them the right of inheritance, force a woman to "preen for her husband as and when he desires," and set the minimum female marital age to sixteen.

The draft proposal, which is aimed only at the country's Shia minority, recalls for many the harsh strictures of the Taliban era and has been roundly condemned in the international community: Hillary Clinton said that she is "deeply concerned" about the law, Obama found it "abhorrent", and others in the West have asked, "Is this what our soldiers are dying for?" The international condemnation has forced the Karzai administration to shelve the law for the time being, as the Afghan government pledges to look at the details of the bill more closely.

While the world buzzes about this latest setback for Afghan women, you might be wondering just what exactly the bill says about women's rights in Afghanistan.

What do Afghan women think about this law?

Most Afghan women have never heard of it. This is because the majority of Afghans are rural, living without electricity or a connection to the happenings in Kabul. Afghan women suffer from the lowest literacy rate in the world, at 13 percent. And the ones that are familiar with it mostly shrug their shoulders, because the conditions that the law imposes are no different than those that already exist in their everyday lives. The typical woman from the country's south or east, for example, cannot leave her home without a male guardian. She must wear the burqa in public at all times, and in some villages she must even don one in private. Marital rape is the norm in a society where sex is a man's right, not a woman's.

According to the UK-based NGO Womankind, anywhere between sixty and eighty percent of marriages are forced, 57 percent of brides are under the age of 16, and 87 percent complain of domestic violence. UNIFEM says that 65 percent of widows in Kabul see suicide as their only option to "get rid of their miseries and desolation." Thousands of women turn to self-immolation every year. There are no reliable stats on rape, as most women will never report it. This is because women can be convicted of zina, extramarital sex, if knowledge of the rape becomes public. In most of the country, even a woman just found outside of her home without the permission of her male guardian will be thrown in jail and tried as an adulterer.

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Can the West save Afghan women?

Many observers say that unless the rural, tribal structure of the society is changed, the patriarchal prison will continue. But that might be something only the Afghans themselves can accomplish. In the meantime, many Afghan women say that the West can help this process -- by dropping support for fundamentalists and misogynists.

It will be important to take such a step, they say, because the West has a credibility gap -- despite billions of dollars, thousands of lives lost, and scores of promises, Western intervention has not made the lives of Afghan women significantly better.

Anand Gopal is an Afghanistan-based journalist. To read more of his dispatches from the region, see his website: http://www.anandgopal.com.

Full article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anand-gopal/what-you-should-know-abou_b_186225.html

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The War Within Islam

By Jim Hoagland

"Leave me for the moment -- you can beat me again later," a 17-year-old girl begs between sobs in a video airing on Pakistan's private television networks and circulating on the Internet. But the local Taliban commander continues to flog her without mercy as a group of village men watch in silence.

These images were described in a recent New York Times dispatch, which noted that the alleged transgressions of the girl could not be definitively established. The range of possible violations of the Taliban's version of Islamic law -- from stepping outside her house without a male escort to having an illicit affair -- is appallingly vast.

The video, apparently shot on a cellphone and given to a human rights activist, is not surprising in itself. The brutal subjugation of poor, uneducated women in rural Pakistan and Afghanistan is widely if incompletely known in the West. But the brief, blurry images are revealing.

The recent U.S. strategic review, as well as learned tomes and countless op-ed columns, depict the struggle in the desolate Afghanistan-Pakistan frontier as being rooted in fierce nationalism, the region's ancient warrior culture, the failures of nation-building and the rebirth of jihadist terrorism.

But this video reminds us of another driving force too often neglected or minimized in the analysis and commentary: the desire of Pakistani and Afghan men to be left in peace to deal with their womenfolk as they see fit. There may be no more important recruiting tool for the Taliban and other Islamic extremist organizations.

Continues: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/10/AR2009041002607.html
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:31 PM
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1. I despise tribal societies
And I hope our government does everything possible to prevent this crap. The men in these countries are absolutely useless and not even human. I wish there were some way to stop this.

But I imagine you won't get many people being supportive here at DU, here people don't much care for women's rights, and thing cultures should be preserved no matter what they do to women. Possession of women as slaves appears to be the main goal of most religions on this planet, to be honest, but too many "good" liberals want to preserve culture over human rights.

Maybe if you mentioned that these cultures kill gay people for a past-time that might wake some people up, but I worry that many liberals consider women's rights pretty much undesirable outside the west. Such an insult to the ivory tower sociological studies, right? And people in non-western countries can't be wrong can they?

Nobody in this world cares about women, and to tell the truth, with the lives many women outside the west lead, they would be better off dead. I wish the men that treated women and girls this way WERE dead, I would like to see all these stinking men DEAD!!!!

And if you don't like that I said that FUCK YOUR MISOGYNIST-LOVING ASS YOU FUCKING PRICKS!!!! If you don't hate these men you are a part of the problem on this planet!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:34 PM
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2. Women's rights aren't a high priority on DU. nt
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:38 PM
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3. You've got that right
These bastards here are almost as bad as Republicans.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:41 PM
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4. Seriously?
I've never got involved in any debates on the topic here, until now, and must admit to being very surprised to hear this.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:51 PM
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5. threads like these sink like rocks. nt
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:56 PM
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7. Which shows me
just how sincere liberals really are about women's rights. At least the damn Republicans are honest about not thinking women are really humans, and therefore deserve HUMAN RIGHTS. Liberals just want to ignore the whole subject. Unless they come out in favor of misogynist societies, which I have seen happen often. I got into a HUGE fight over that on another blog onetime.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:54 PM
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9. What if it was about torturing dogs?
Just askin'...
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:43 PM
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10. It would be the hotest thing on DU
with outrage flying everywhere.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:53 PM
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6. It seems that some liberal men
put culture above women's rights sometimes. People don't want to get mad at non-western civilizations so they at least block their ears when information about how evil some of them are comes in. You can see how many people are NOT commenting on this very important bit of information you posted. It just strikes a nerve with me because the issue I care most about in the world in women's rights. And I get unbelievably angry when other liberals just ignore it.

Thanks for posting this though. People need to get it put in their faces. It shouldn't be ignored.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:13 PM
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8. Well, if this is the case, that attitude sucks
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 01:16 PM by Turborama
Look at what's happened in the UK because of their 'multiculturalism'....

Have you heard of the phrase "http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/06/hitchens200706">Londonistan"?

I've heard that Muslims in the UK want to introduce Sharia law there and they are being taken seriously, a http://www.google.com/search?q=sharia+law+england&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8">quick googling turned up a few surprises when I had a look just now...

For example:

"Adopt sharia law in Britain, says the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1578017/Adopt-sharia-law-in-Britain-says-the-Archbishop-of-Canterbury-Dr-Rowan-Williams.html


What do you think the reaction would be if that happened in America?


(edited to take out a rogue apostrophe)
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:53 PM
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11. It worries me as well
but too many Democrats would be all over that as "racist". Of course they would rightfully be very upset if the Christian Taliban here were to be more open about their desire for theocracy. But if you criticize Islam for the same, or abusing women, too often my fellow liberals call that racist and intolerant. I am pretty sick of it and am very glad you feel the same way I do.

What they usually do is try to ignore the abuses of Islam and focus on Christianity only with responses like "we need to clean up our own country first". But then many get angry when people talk about the abuses of women and girls perpetrated by FLDS cult right here at home. Some claim that a woman being raised to be nothing but a sex slave with no right to leave the compound, and never given any knowledge of her rights as a citizen at any time in her life right here in the US is simply "religious freedom", and after all, they don't feed their children processed food, so stealing their rights is ok, right? I got into a huge fight over at Daily Kos on that one. Some people really thought that forced polygamy and holding people hostage throughout their lives, along with casting out unwanted teenage boys with no one to turn to was just fine because they didn't feed their kids processed food!

I am a liberal and I will continue to scream and yell about women's rights no matter how many fellow liberals wish people like me would just shut up and pretend all is well with the noble savages of our globe. And SAVAGES is the only way to describe people that abuse human rights, and yes, women are human in every damn culture.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 06:52 PM
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12. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 06:54 PM by ShortnFiery
I have a good understanding of the culture. Yes, it's a harsh, sometimes cruel life to be "a woman" in Afghanistan, but within the context of the tribe - well, all I can say in complete genuine honesty - IT'S THEIR CULTURE, NOT OURS.

It's time to make like sheepherders and get the flock out of Iraq and Afghanistan. :thumbsup:

That is unless you think you'd love to MOVE or VACATION in either of those two countries? No? Then, we, the mighty USA, NON-NEIGHBORS have NO justification occupying THEIR land.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:53 PM
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14. I suppose, if you look at it that way, Nazi-ism was the German's culture, not ours.
And the Rwandans and Cambodians were just doing their thing, right?

I don't get where the 'non-neighbors' thing comes from. We only intervene if human rights violations and/or mass murders are happening next door?

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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:24 PM
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13. White man's burden here we go again...
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 07:26 PM by soryang
Can the west save Afghan women? Short answer- no! But we sure can protect the opium pipeline. The PR for neo-colonial exploitation sure is top notch. Can Christine Amanpour do some more cameo news reporting passing flowers to Afghan children. We're there to save them and their economy and their culture. So if we bomb the crap out of them and kill a few thousand it's all for a noble cause, right? I hear the western corporations are about done with their geological mining surveys. Think of the profits our defense contractors can make and the advance of military careers surrounding Russia and China on the grand chessboard.
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