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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:51 AM
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AlterNet: Young and Gay in the Bible Belt
Young and Gay in the Bible Belt: 'My Mom Came at Me With a Butcher Knife!'

By Bernadette C. Barton , AlterNet. Posted April 15, 2009.

For many Bible Belt gays, "home" is not a haven from the outside world. Home may be more dangerous than the streets.



The crisis gay youth face in the Bible Belt struck home particularly hard for me this week while dining with members of a gay/straight alliance in a small Southern town.

After asking the conversation-opener of the group -- "So, would you like to all share your coming out stories with me?" -- a young woman on my right named Angie* immediately burst out, "My mother came at me with a butcher knife!"

Stunned, I was trying to process this when a young woman to my left whispered, "You don't want to hear my story, it's too violent." More violent than your mother attacking you with a butcher knife? How is that possible? What does that mean?

I usually visit with the gay/straight alliance students during my campus visits. At this particular tiny university town in a remote corner of the South, we had a room to ourselves at a not-very-fancy Chinese restaurant in a strip mall. The students were adorable -- sweet, eager to please, charming.

Sipping hot oolong tea, I tried to wrap my mind around the image of my mother, the person who is supposed to love me the most, coming at me with a big knife. Blood-soaked footage from the movie Carrie filled my head. I thought, "Your mother is the one who's supposed to protect you from the person holding the butcher knife, not be the person wielding it. What kind of psychological damage does this do?" ...........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/sex/136610/young_and_gay_in_the_bible_belt%3A_%27my_mom_came_at_me_with_a_butcher_knife%21%27/




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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:04 AM
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1. "the destructive, spirit-crushing upbringing most Bible Belt gays endure."
Don't I know it. Maybe in my next life, I will have a chance.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:02 AM
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2. University lecture
There was a guest lecture recently at the Univ of Ky here in Lexington about how toxic it is to grow up gay in the Bible Belt. I was glad to see that addressed. I am straight, but I saw the tortures my best friend endured growing up gay in Appalachia. And his miseries pale by comparison to these poor souls.

We have to have more discussion of the horrors of the Bible Belt regarding human rights.
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:59 AM
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3. Anyone should wonder why so many southern gays
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 09:00 AM by HillWilliam
have such fucked-up heads. It took years and getting the hell out of the south to be able to hear my own head and be comfortable in my own skin. It took years to be able to live like a human being and not give a fat goddam what the next person thought. Finally, at 52, I'm totally free, totally comfortable, totally out, totally happy, lookin' good, feelin' good and shakin' hell out of it. I only rue "the lost years" a little. But I'm glad I'm "me" now. I look around me and my southern cohorts and see so many head-cases and I fully understand why. Been there, done that, and believe me I can tell you allllllllll about it.

One thing that got me together and held me from going completely over the edge was something my mom told me a long time ago in my childhood. For some reason it stuck with me and became something to hang on to until I could get my feet firmly on the ground. She said, "you can be as crazy as you want to be or as sane as you want to be. It's up to you to try to be as healthy as you can be." I knew I had to get healthy in my head -- I knew that being gay wasn't a sickness or a choice. I had known I was gay ever since I could reason and deep inside I was calm with the fact. The only thing I wasn't calm with was the clear knowledge that the truth of that getting beyond myself could easily have gotten me dead. That's one helluva stressful way to live, especially in a rural mountain community.

As warm and friendly and loving and gracious as southerners can be, they can be dangerous, even lethal to gay people. Even their own children.

As a results, too many southern gays are hung up on appearance, on gamesmanship, on head trips -- it I firmly believe that 99% of it starts at home with being gamed and head-tripped and "oh deah Gawd what will the neighbahs think, Ah raised a queeah child Ah'll nevah hold mah head up in public, YOU have shamed ME". Never mind how the poor gay child feels.

What a bunch of shit we get put on us, just for being born. If you think it's bad now, you should have been there in the 60's and 70's. I can't imagine what the 50's would have been like.

I was lucky. I got put out of the house in the middle of the night with a suitcase and walked six miles to a pay phone and managed to call a gay aunt. I joined the Army and got the hell out of the state for 20 years. My partner, not so lucky. When he was a teen, got put out of the house at shotgun-point, then got chased by his drunk dad for miles over hills and trails. He managed to hide out in a barn, then beat feet out of state.

Kids now have it ***LOT*** easier than we did. It's a long way from good even yet, but it's a long way from where it was.

Edit: Proud to be Rec #5.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:58 AM
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5. The 50s --
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 10:04 AM by Beam Me Up
Being ten years your senior I can talk a bit about that. First of all what screwed with my head was the hypocrisy and, for lack of a better way of putting it, "the denial dimension". Rural southern Indiana is barely the "south" but it is, culturally, more like Kentucky. My family by local standards were "well off" but by standards anywhere else were "working poor". The word "gay" didn't exist or at least I didn't hear it until I was a teenager in the mid sixties. All I knew was that I was attracted to other boys and I also knew that although there was a lot of "playing around," it wasn't something you ever talked about. It was something shameful, for many a "poor" substitute for sexual activity with a member of the opposite sex and potentially dangerous (which, in a way, made it all the more exciting, albeit not only confusing but life threatening). The shame was the real "killer" psychologically.

As I got a bit older I began to see that there was a whole "hidden" dimension of men who had to find ways of having furtive sex with one another. Most were married or dating with the intention to marry. The county prosecuting attorney was gay, so was his long-term fiance, the proverbial English teacher. Gossip being the social network and denial being what it was all the ladies could talk about was "when are they ever going to get married?" Behind the scenes these two respected individuals were keeping their eyes out for younger people who they suspected might be like themselves. This had both a "predatory" aspect and an aspect of genuine interest and concern. The contradictory nature of this born out of the oppressive and contradictory social conditions within which they, themselves had grown up and continued to live. The attitude was "you can do what you want so long as you are very, very discrete." And if you ever got caught by the law the attorney would do what he could, discretely, to minimize the consequences.

This secrecy was excruciatingly painful and caused people to do things they might otherwise not do. This is one of the things that homophobes have a difficult time comprehending. When homosexuality is completely repressed in a society this repression doesn't stop the sexual activity. What it does is "pervert" it by forcing it into the very kinds of stereotypical behaviors that many homophobes rail against. How can you develop emotional attachments and relationships with willing partners if there is no tolerance, much less acceptance, for these feelings and their expression? You can't. You have to lie and pretend you are something you're not and, worse, even when you engage in sexual activity, it must be completely hidden, invisible, and any emotional dimension has to be utterly suppressed. This, I believe, is the driving force behind "anonymous" sex and, to a certain extent, some forms of sexual predation. In short, it is fucked up and the consequences can leave scars that may never be outgrown.

In some respects I was lucky. Although I was the youngest in the family (my oldest sibling 20 years my senior) I was the first to go off to college in a big city (Chicago). When I got there in the mid-late sixties the "sexual revolution" was upon us and I was able to find at least the beginnings of real community. That didn't thoroughly "jell" though until the AIDS crisis in the 80s and by that time I was living in the SF Bay Area which is a far different social climate than the rural mid-west. I never did come out to my parents who became increasingly "fundamentalist" in their religious beliefs as they grew older. I did, however, come out to some of my siblings, the parents having already died, but even then not until my first long term partner had died at age 53 of a brain tumor. Their reaction was the typical, "we love you as a brother but can not accept your homosexuality." The message being, don't bring it home when you visit. I had never "brought it home" and will never. I haven't visited with them since and don't intend to ever visit them again.

If you can feel the rage and grief beneath that, then you 'get it'. They identify as fundamentalist Christians and so I don't expect to ever win "acceptance" from them. The struggle, as you rightly point out, is first in accepting one's self. That, for me, was a long road. Fortunately I received very good help along the way. The revelation, then, was to discover that the alienation I've experienced throughout my life wasn't only due to my sexual preference. Even if I'd been "straight" the way I look at the world, my values, my interests and so on, are very different from most people. It is difficult to separate all that out and certainly my sexual preference has an aspect in every aspect of my being but, still, there is something that is more fundamentally myself than even my sexuality. I "understand" that my family is a product of their conditioning but still, on a very deep level, I have rejected them every bit as much if not more than they have rejected me. In other words, it isn't only because I'm gay; its because I'm liberal, intellectual, perceptive, artistic, someone who questions, searches and looks at the world through eyes that see and appreciate complexity and color -- not just "black and white" "right and wrong". I find it intolerable to be around them for more than a brief visit and living thousands of miles away, thankfully, makes that impossible.

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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:44 AM
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6. I absolutely find it intolerable to be around my family
I can love them, and I do love them dearly, at a distance. When they finally accepted the fact that I was gay and I was neither able nor willing to change, they all-too often set about sabotaging my relationships, a feat I found I could manage well enough on my own. When I finally found a wonderful, sane, loving man, I wasn't about to let them in the middle of it. My mother is still living, and even though my partner and I have been together going on 14 years, she is still of the mind that somehow he's not good enough for me or good enough to me, or G'd only knows. I'm not letting her say. My man may not be perfect -- but he is absolutely perfect for me. If someone makes you see stars and makes you catch your breath just by entering a room even after 13 years, honey, trust, that's the right one.

It takes work to become strong, secure, and safe within your own skin. G'd love you for having made it to shore, having swum those rough seas. Southern Indiana is no picnic, either. It may as well be LA (Lower Alabama) for attitudes. If you can be gay AND calm AND happy within yourself having grown up in any rural situation, you've accomplished as much as any Zen master can teach you.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:52 AM
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4. This speaks to the core problem among the religionists
When they get up and preach against GLBT folks, in their minds they are talking about distant people wearing leather and boas, but in fact they are saying those things directly to many of their own children. They do not love their own families or congregations. They verbally attack their own kids, and they call that 'a worship service'. Much like other idol worshipers used to shove their kids into the fire to please Moloch. Same deal, differnt diety.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:02 AM
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7. It poisons the north too.
How many of us have been disowned, threatened with violence by our families? How many of us have become the family boogieman to the siblings and cousins we no longer get to see?

My father tells people he only has two children, and I've heard that my brother and sister laugh about it. It's funny that I don't exist, and at the same time they get to talk about me frequently and turn me into some kind of family monster.

This is in New York. Don't let anyone think this isn't happening everywhere.
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