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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 01:17 PM
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Was Waterboarded 183 Times in One Month
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Was Waterboarded 183 Times in One Month

By: emptywheel Saturday April 18, 2009 11:57 am
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/18/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-was-waterboarded-183-times-in-one-month/



I've put this detail in a series of posts, but it really deserves a full post. According to the May 30, 2005 Bradbury memo, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003 and Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August 2002.

On page 37 of the OLC memo, in a passage discussing the differences between SERE techniques and the torture used with detainees, the memo explains:

The CIA used the waterboard "at least 83 times during August 2002" in the interrogation of Zubaydah. IG Report at 90, and 183 times during March 2003 in the interrogation of KSM, see id. at 91.

Note, the information comes from the CIA IG report which, in the case of Abu Zubaydah, is based on having viewed the torture tapes as well as other materials. So this is presumably a number that was once backed up by video evidence.

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...where authorized, it may be used for two "sessions" per day of up to two hours. During a session, water may be applied up to six times for ten seconds or longer (but never more than 40 seconds). In a 24-hour period, a detainee may be subjected to up to twelve minutes of water appliaction. See id. at 42. Additionally, the waterboard may be used on as many as five days during a 30-day approval period.

So: two two-hour sessions a day, with six applications of the waterboard each = 12 applications in a day. Though to get up to the permitted 12 minutes of waterboarding in a day (with each use of the waterboard limited to 40 seconds), you'd need 18 applications in a day. Assuming you use the larger 18 applications in one 24-hour period, and do 18 applications on five days within a month, you've waterboarded 90 times--still just half of what they did to KSM.

The CIA wants you to believe waterboarding is effective. Yet somehow, it took them 183 applications of the waterboard in a one month period to get what they claimed was cooperation out of KSM.

That doesn't sound very effective to me.

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Update: Here's one reason to demand a special prosecutor to investigate these actions. In addition to revealing the sheer number of times KSM and Abu Zubaydah were waterboarded, the memos reveal that the interrogators who waterboarded these men went far beyond even the expansive guidelines for torture described in the Bybee Memo, notably by dumping water onto their nose and mouth, rather than dribbing it on.

The IG Report noted that in some cases the waterboard was used with far greater frequency than initially indicated, see IG Report at 5, 44, 46, 103-04, and also that it was used in a different manner. See id. at 37 ("he waterboard technique ... was different from the technique described in the DoJ opinion and used in the SERE training. The difference was the manner in which the detainee's breathing was obstructed. At the SERE school and in the DoJ opinion, the subject's airflow is disrupted by the firm application of a damp cloth over the air passages; the interrogator applies a small amount of water to the cloth in a controlled manner. By contrast, the Agency Interrogator ... applied large volumes of water to a cloth that covered the detainee's mouth and nose. One of the psychologists/interrogators acknowledged that the Agency's use of the technique is different from that used in SERE training because it is "for real--and is more poignant and convincing.")

There's been a lot of discussion about whether those who did what the OLC memos authorized should be prosecuted. But in the case of those who waterboarded KSM and Abu Zubaydah, that's irrelevant, because they did things the OLC memos didn't authorize.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 01:24 PM
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1. K&R. Jesus.
Also, the CIA held his two little boys. Who knows what they threatened KSM with? So how good is the information they received from "the architect of 9/11?" And I read this in The Washington Times. :shrug: :-(
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 05:47 PM
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2. There has to be accountability or we are doomed. n/t
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 11:15 PM
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3. I agree wholeheartedly.
Barack Obama is a brilliant man. (My neighbor's daughter attended Harvard with him and knew him, had the same favorite professor. She said that he was a brilliant guy and also very, very nice. :-) ) So he must understand that we have to understand the past or else we are doomed to make the same mistakes all over again. :-(
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 12:51 AM
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4. He is
That's why I'm having such a hard time understanding why he's willing to let these guys off the hook and sweep everything under the rug. I sure hope he knows what he's doing, because it certainly does go against the grain of my common sense at least.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 02:37 AM
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5. Mine, too...
I've often heard him say that he wants "to look ahead," and he sure does have enough on the front burner, as it is. But to overlook blatant lawbreaking, for all he says about mending fences, this isn't going to win us any friends, or respect. The law is his field. Canada and Spain are prepared to take this on, and they're not only close US allies, but hardly troublemakers... I'm baffled, too. :shrug: :-(
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 08:38 AM
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6. Perhaps it's a strategic timing issue
Maybe he's letting the memos trickle out so that public awareness and outrage can build, thus "forcing" him to take action without appearing to be personally vindictive? Damn, I have no clue, but I have enough respect for his intelligence that I'll do my best to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being, baffling through his actions appear to be.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 09:58 PM
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8. My friend came up with an explanation...
He suggested that this is all a plan to trick the guilty into letting down their guard and Obama is in on it... :shrug:

Makes as much sense as what we see going on, though my friend is also a huge fan of "24..." ;)
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 10:42 AM
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7. Well, you know the old saying about torture...

"The 184th time is the charm."

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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 11:34 PM
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10. missed it by 'that' much....
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 10:22 PM
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9. They also grabbed his little kids and tortured them too
This is just despicable! We MUST have accountability and responsibility and the laws obeyed for everyone!
People are going to prison for years for a pot seed..and people that have raped and murdered and tortured and hidden people away without charges are walking free. Shame on any of us that does not stand up and speak out against this evil.
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