They never tortured Saddam. Consider what that tells us.

[Mugsy]

via "Mugsy's Rap Sheet":

Hi all, just a quick mid-week thought on the latest news.

This past week, a parade of former Bush Administration hacks, such as former NSA Director Hayden and VP Cheney himself are going around telling us "torture works". Nonsense, of course, but if they truly believe that (and it appears they do), then what does the fact they never tortured Saddam Hussein tell us?
 

It suddenly struck me this morning: If they REALLY believed all that crap about Saddam's WMD's and ties to al Qaeda (if not 9/11 itself), why didn't they torture him to reveal, "What did you do with the weapons of mass destruction?" and "what was your involvement with al Qaeda?"
 

Think about that for a moment. Saddam was captured just months after the invasion of Iraq, when the possibility that "stockpiles" of WMD's they insisted existed pre-invasion may have simply been moved or hidden prior to the invasion. Yet, they never tortured him to find out what he had done with them. This tells us they they NEVER believed the WMD's ever existed. Nor did they torture Saddam to find out what contacts he had with al Qaeda. In fact, quite the opposite:
 

(video)

Again, clearly, because they already knew none of it was true.

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[havocmom]

1. K&R

Makes a lot of sense. Cheney outed by his own inaction on that one.

[stillcool]

2. The last thing they'd want is for

him to talk.

[tomp]

4. exactly! thus, the speedy trial and hanging. nt

[Dr.Phool]

5. You're right on that point.

They didn't want him talking at all.

However, they did torture his Generals. The one who was "accidentally" suffocated comes to mind.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith. The neo-cons et al, came from a school of thought that always overestimated a perceived threat. During the cold war, they continually asserted that lack of evidence of Soviet weapons, validated their contention that they were there. They were just so much smarter than us at hiding them.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

That's what was running our country, our military, and our foreign policy for all those years.

[Seldona]

9. My thoughts exactly.

There was never going to be a real trial. Not that I am defending that psychopath. But he wasn't alone in his little adventures.

[salinen]

3. The famous photo

Rumsfeld sold/gave Saddam the only WMD's Saddam ever had. Rumsfeld/Saddam gassed the Kurds.

[Alcibiades]

6. They KNEW it was all untrue

the torture was never about getting folks to give intel to keep us safe: it was all about "proving" a link between Saddam and 9/11. By the time we invaded Iraq, Bushco had had Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in custody for over a year, and by then certainly knew there was no 9-11 link. Since they already knew this by the time of Hussein's capture, there was no need to torture him--the objective of the torture, the invasion and occupation of Iraq, had already been accomplished.

[nolabear]

7. Yes, yes, yes!

SOmeday people will wake up to the logic, and are either going to have to say they just don't care that this happened or DO something.

[boomerbust]

8. Makes sense

Bush calling off the dogs at Tora Bora was the first sign that something just didn't add up. In hindsight it was so fucking obvious.

[jazzjunkysue]

10. I find that claim hard to believe, especially when Hussein was blathering

incoherantly in his cell during his "trial."

I'd sooner put my money on the application of all of our best psychotic medical procedures to make sure he could never say outloud what really happened, how Rumsfeld taught him everything he knew, gave him everything he had, and how we were the real basis for his power in Iraq.

I think they scrambled his brain. Call that whatever you want to, but he couldn't put a complete sentence together when he finally emerged from our secret dungeons during his trial.

They made sure he couldn't hurt them with the truth, and then they made his public trial and got rid of him.

[Psychic Consortium]

11. Yes SH was tortured first, then murdered by the US.

[flyarm]

16. Washington Post Magazine Article: THOUGHT WARS

http://mindjustice.org/wparticle.htm

Commentary
by Cheryl Welsh
February 2007

The January 14, 2007 Washington Post Magazine article, Mind Games by Sharon Weinberger is stunning in it's coverage. The article is announced on the top front page of the Washington Post with the heading; "IS IT PARANOIA? OR THE PENTAGON? To most, the people who think the government is beaming voices into their heads are paranoid loonies in foil helmets. Trouble is, the govenment has pursued weapons tht could do just that."

The full cover page of the Washington Post Magazine displays the picture and heading "THOUGHT WARS One thing is certain about the emerging subculture of self-described mind-control victims: Their agony is real" and the full article encompasses amost 7,500 words. The full article is posted below and is well worth reading. Weinberger seriously investigated the very controversial issue of alleged government mind control victims, a topic that mainstream media has avoided or has dismissed as conspiracy nut cases without further examination.

The article has opened the door to much needed debate and serious, impartial reporting and investigation. Not many human rights issues make it to the front pages of a national newspaper. The article represents a major step forward in mind control activism. A sincere thank you to Sharon Weinberger for your long hours of research and to the Washington Post for this very special opportunity!

The article is an entertaining and realistic read, while at the same time, an accurate description of the psychological devastation and pain-filled lives of mind control victims. There were indepth interviews of Harlan Girard, director of International Committee on Offensive Microwave Weapons (website at www.icomw.org) and Gloria Naylor, author of 1996, a book on her experience of mind control. Naylor bravely and openly discussed taking antipsychotic medication for the voices she heard but the medicine did not stop the voices. The mental health field has helped many people who report hearing voices but most mind control victims report experiences like Naylor, and have not found relief from the voices by using medication. Although most mental health experts do not believe the government is behind technology to cause the phenoma of hearing voices, most victims and their support groups leave it up to victims to decide what to do in regards to trying antipsychotic medication or seeking out mental health experts. Many desperately try medication to obtain relief.

[Diclotican]

12. Mugsy

Mugsy

Just think about, if Sadam Hussain ever got to a fair trial in exemple HAAG and should have told the whole truth - or at least as he was seeing the truth between 1979 when he came to power, and to 2003 when he was rewoked, and have to hide for a whole year before been captured, and finaly hang for the last time.. If the whole story was coming out, then I am afraid many, if not most of the Bush administration have been shaking their boots for a long time... And maybe even had to go to prison for long time.. They can belive the truth would never came out, becouse Saddam Hussain is dead but in time the truth would came out, even withouth Hussain..

Just thing about what SADDAM Hussain could have told about the geo political systems who have been into place in the Middle East for the last 30 or so year.. The whole consept of "fact" on the ground would have to be rewritten... Or at least a whole lot of new information would have came into the light.. As I belive all this documents who are in the US custody today would do one day.. One day I belive, that most of the current middle east "history" have to be re writen when all the documents from Iraq is been open knowlegde.. The CIA have been translating iraqi documents for more than 6 year now...

Diclotican

[Canuckistanian]

13. And if he HAD WMDs, why didn't he use them?

Seems to me that when you're being attacked by a far superior army, that's the time to whip out the ol' WMDs.

[Mnemosyne]

20. That is exactly what I asked just before "Shock and Awe" began. It proved, imho, that

Saddam had nothing,

And They Knew It.

[babylonsister]

14. No, they just killed him to shut him up. nt

[Optical.Catalyst]

15. They didn't torture Saddam because of professional courtesy

If there were any usable weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the CIA has scarfed them up and hidden them away for later use. There could be a 'dirty bomb' in somebody's future, when the time is right of course.

[winyanstaz]

17. As an artist I notice a lot about peoples faces. ...that was not Saddam

I notice skin tints, bone structures, and dental work.
Saddam had the best teeth money could buy.
Look at all the old photos of him as he flashes his pearly whites. Straight, even, white as snow, a smile any dictator could be proud of.
Now look at the photos of the man they "hanged".
Those old crooked, broken, yellow teeth are not the teeth of Saddam. Those teeth on the man hanged never saw an orthodontist in their life. Teeth don't get that yellow and crooked in a couple of months. Those teeth were the teeth of a life time of neglect.
That is not Saddam that they "hanged".

[HOLOS]

18. They Never Believed Torture Works....

[kaygore]

19. That they kept changing their reason was the give away long ago

They knew perfectly well who gave Iraq the WMD and that after so many years of the embargo those WMD would no longer be viable.

It was all just a fear tactic. I kept telling people but most thought I was just a liberal nut.

So much for history and logic.