Urgent stuff - get the family together for this - VERY IMPORTANT REVELATION

[ThirdWorldJohn]

The United States went to war in Iraq. The reason given since no WMD were found was because Saddam Hussein practiced TORTURE.

[TechBear_Seattle]

1. Yup. But we never practiced torture; just ask the Bush Administration

We used "enhanced interrogation techniques," which is a different kettle of fish entirely. :eyes:

[ThirdWorldJohn]

2. To Bad for Saddam and his limited vocabulary, eh? N/T

[NewJeffCT]

3. It doesn't count when Team Bush did it to brown people outside the country

didn't you know that?

[stray cat]

4. Never heard that one frankly - any link given that it was the main excuse?

[Kahuna]

5. Never heard them bleat ad nausea, "he tortured his own people!!???

Please. :eyes:

[Politicalboi]

9. Well see he did his "own" people

And we did his people and other brown skined ones. Way different. :sarcasm:

[Baby Snooks]

14. So did the Shah of Iran...

And when Khomeini discovered the torture chambers they were so horrifying that he decided not to shock the world further by providing the photos. In other words, there were no torture chambers. And the Shah did not torture people. Except in the minds of naturally tortured people. Including CIA agents who planted the stories in the media.

History does repeat itself, doesn't it? Particularly with the Bushes. George HW Bush was head of the CIA about the time the first "revelations" about the Shah were made public.

[JDPriestly]

17. But Khomeini did torture people. I know because I met one of those

he tortured.

[struggle4progress]

15. Transcript of State of the Union (2004)

... Had we failed to act, the dictator's weapons of mass destruction programs would continue to this day. Had we failed to act, Security Council resolutions on Iraq would have been revealed as empty threats, weakening the United Nations and encouraging defiance by dictators around the world. Iraq's torture chambers would still be filled with victims terrified and innocent ... http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/20/sotu.transcript.3/index.html

[JDPriestly]

16. Three reasons were given:

1) WMDs
2) Links to Al Qaeda
3) Hussein was an evil dictator who killed many people and imprisoned and tortured his own people.

Number 1 and 2 proved to be totally false. Number 3 remained and Bush claimed it sufficed to justify the invasion. The torture was not the only evil done by Hussein the Evildoer. But it was a major part of Number 3, which was the only reason for war that was left for Bush to cite.

Bush claimed we were bringing democracy to Iraq. They have held more democratic elections in the last couple of years, but in fact Hussein was "elected" albeit in fixed elections. Sound familiar?

[formercia]

6. I practice for a lot of things.

that doesn't mean I make WMDs in my basement.

[ThirdWorldJohn]

7. The US is Forced to "Look Forward" As the War in Iraq Continues Because of Torture and the

moral excuse that we need to stop the torture. And Bush himself said the everyone must say that the world is a better place with Saddam gone (Executed because he tortured people). But then Obama wants to look forward at a war started by another evil man and hide from the responsibility of removing from society the man that advocates executioon for those who torture? Remember that Rice and Ashcroft and Powell and Card sat in the white house discussing the need for torture. McCain said Bush approved every case where torture was used. Remember that one detainee suffered WB'ing for more than 3 times a day for a month, another more than 183 times in a month.

DU'ers need to print a page that says "TORTURE IS OK IN THIS HOUSE" - Send it to the WH and ask Obama to hang it in a room where it can be seen often and by many.

[druidity33]

10. please, don't tell DUers what they "need" to do...

especially since what you are saying we "need" to do is so lame.

you get the...
:eyes:

[ThirdWorldJohn]

11. Oh Ok I get it. I should just do what you say, right? How lame is your logic!

[dmr]

8. Yup, that was one of their excuses

we were saying the same thing here at home the other day - big bad ol' Saddam used torture on his own people, so let's go save them.

Then we helped take down Saddam's statute to show how grateful the Iraqi people were for 'saving' them from the torturer.

In the meantime, the coup in the WH sinks our nation deeper into the abyss. Shame on them.

Welcome to DU, ThirdWorldJohn!
:hi:

[Wednesdays]

12. That makes Saddam a very evil man.

Consequently, what does that make us?

[Warren Stupidity]

13. rape rooms and torture chambers OH MY!

but we are exceptional so the rules do not apply to us.