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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:11 PM
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Preppers and Hybrid Flu
more: http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm

Most of us who have taken 'prepping' seriously are asking questions that folks in government aren't yet responding to; namely if the Reuters story that this strain of the flu is a genetic mix is correct...how'd it get that way? More importantly, why is the mainstream media (MSM) insisting on calling it "swine" flu when it's either a hybrid flu OR a genetically modified flu? Calling it GM flu is the same number of characters...or does that reveal too much?

Moreover, given that it seems to be an engineered virus where is the federal response in terms of crack detectives who are working back to patient zero to ascertain how & where this was released? Is anyone besides me wondering about the timing of our president being in Mexico at time of the outbreak? Just one 'coincidence' after another in this sequence of events, and I don't like 'coincidences' when they start to pile up.

Then there's the lackadaisical response of the federal government on air travel and border controls. Oh sure, there are some aware humans -- like California Congressman Duncan Hunter, who's from the San Diego area, who is calling for closing the US-Mexican border to all but essential travel, but he's not making any progress on this front yet.

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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:16 PM
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1. All flus are "hybrid"
That's how flu stays virulent -- through recombination.

ALL strains of flu. There are NO exceptions.

George is a Bear's Bear. That's fine. But he occasionally over-reacts, and this is one of those times.

Make no mistake, this is a nasty situation, but panic will only make it worse, and closing the border will certainly lead to panic -- and do NOTHING to stop it from spreading.

--d!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:35 PM
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4. Yes, but not different strains distinctive to different areas of the globe.
You miss the point completely.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:52 PM
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5. I don't miss the point at all
"Cosmopolitan" viruses, like the influenzas, manage to get their genetic material around the world quite quickly. This is basic epidemiology and basic virology. The 1918 variant appeared within hours in North America and in Spain. There are several models of contagion that support these observations, and several of them are well-supported.

There is nothing mysterious about this. The point George Ure was trying to make is that there IS.

If your "gut" tells you that this is somehow sinister or unusual, I can't disabuse you of that, nor will I try. But none of these observations are, in themselves, unexpected. This is a nasty bug. And scary. And we have a very good chance of limiting it and keeping the morbidity and mortality rates low.

--d!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:38 PM
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6. North America and Spain are on either side of the Atlantic, aren't they? I believe I read that
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 05:49 PM by Joe Chi Minh
there was a strain from the Far East as well. Quite a lot of traffic. Maybe the Middle east, too. I should have paid more attention.

Still, without that info, I take your point. What's more our military Establishments have such a bad name, not least among their own people, that even the Russians seem to have realised they had a golden opportunity to put one over on the CIA by spreading the rumour, when AIDS first put in its appearance, that it was the product of a CIA experiment on monkeys, gone wrong! Why would anyone not want to believe such a story!

Of course, it's a vast heterogenous organisation, for some of whose activities I dare say we should be very grateful, but other parts of it have a long, almost infinitely dishonourable history, all too well-known by the Americans and the rest of the world. For a start, think Central and South America, The School of the Americas (incredibly, still extant under a new name!), Operation Condor, Pinochet, the Argentinian junta, and so on.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:22 PM
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2. Ummm, have you seen this?
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=24579


Having followed research in to the 1918 flu pandemic as well as research into potential future pandemics, nothing about this outbreak is surprising or unexpected. Why look for human evil to be behind this when it is so readily explained by human greed and stupidity?
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:09 PM
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3. Could it be that
"human evil" can accompany "human greed and stupidity"?

From what I've read about the 1918 flu, it was bad enough, but not quite so deadly until some vaccinated soldiers participated in Mustard Gas type operations which turned the flu into a monster. Human evil at work for bioweapon engineering, it certainly appears that way.
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