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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 04:11 PM
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If You're Angry About the Torture Photos, You're Being Played By Obama (Gawker)
By John Cook, 10:36 AM on Thu May 14 2009, 10,161 views

... Obama should have wholeheartedly endorsed the release of the photos in question. But it is a practical certainty that they will be released anyway, no matter what he does. So he gets to look like a judicious, troop-protecting president, and left-wingers still get to have the photographs to hate America with. Everybody wins.

First off, Obama did not actually decide not to release the photos, despite the way his reversal has been characterized. The decision isn't his to make. The Pentagon is currently compelled by a court order to turn 22 photos over to the ACLU, which sued the government under the Freedom of Information Act for their release in 2003. The Pentagon lost in district court and lost again on appeal; earlier this year Pentagon lawyers decided not to appeal to the Supreme Court and struck a deal with the ACLU. The government has no say at this point in whether or not those photos get released—either the FOIA compels their release or it doesn't, and it's up to a court to decide that question. All Obama did yesterday was authorize the Pentagon to ask the Supreme Court to take the case. The Court might take the case or it might not. And if it does, it will almost certainly uphold the decisions of the district and appeals courts and order the photos to be released.

The government's argument on appeal was that the photos could be properly withheld under a FOIA provision that exempts records "compiled for law enforcement purposes" if their release could "could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual." The photos were gathered by the Army's Criminal Investigation Division to prosecute abuse, so they were clearly compiled for law enforcement purposes. And the Pentagon's argument, which Obama endorsed yesterday, is that the release of the images would "further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in greater danger," which means that at least someone's life or safety would thereby be endangered. And the law, the government claimed, doesn't require them to actually identify such an individual.

Three Second Circuit Court of Appeals judges—one of which was nominated by George W. Bush and another of which was nominated by his father—have already considered and rejected that argument: "The phrase 'any individual'...may be flexible, but is not vacuous. <W>e cannot read the phrase to include individuals identified solely as members of a group so large that risks which are clearly speculative for any particular individuals become reasonably foreseeable for the group." In other words, if you are going to say that someone could be threatened by a document's release under FOIA, you have to say who, and how. The exemption was designed to prevent mob informants from getting killed, not to protect entire armies from people who already hate them and are already trying to kill them. After losing to the three-judge panel, the Pentagon asked the full Second Circuit Court of Appeals to hear the case, and the court — which is evenly divided between Republican and Democratic appointees — said no ... http://gawker.com/5253864/if-youre-angry-about-the-torture-photos-youre-being-played-by-obama
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 04:14 PM
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1. "...and left-wingers still get to have the photographs to hate America with"
He lost me there.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 04:39 PM
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2. Well, perhaps I'm a hebephrenic nitwit, but I thought that line was laugh-out-loud funny sarcasm
Of course, I've been accused of hating America so many times over the last forty years or so that I don't really take the accusation seriously anymore, though do I try to keep my eyes and ears open when I such such crap from sputtering rightwing wackos

If you read the article, I think it actually makes a good point -- and doesn't really accuse us of hating America
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 05:01 PM
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3. I'll give it another look.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 05:53 PM
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4. "Photographs to Hate America With".. HUH?
OK..you're correct. Torture is a good thing.

I give up.. there is no sanity left in America.

BTW Mr. John Cook... hope your son or daughter is in Iraq...If your daughter was Enhanced interrogated by Iran.. I know you would have no problem.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:56 PM
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6. See #2
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 09:50 PM
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5. I am no lawyer, but is it usual to not appeal and then later to decide to
appeal and get away with it? Obama should have talked to the generals before he declined the appeal. Is there any doubt that Petraeus and his subordinate generals have backsides to cover? No wonder they want these acts hidden. It is just like with Obama and Geithner, Obama and Petraeus. Obama has consistently chosen the Bush allies/cronies to help decide his important issues.I would give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this if he had not so rigorously sidetracked investigations of torture et al by the Bushista. His agenda does not supercede the law and the Constitution, no matter how meritorious it is.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:15 PM
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7. I would expect the Court to be displeased
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 09:21 AM
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8. Thanks, that was informative. nt
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