Minuteman Movement: Domestic Terrorists or Ordinary Criminals?

[Stingo]

Domestic terrorists in California connected with the Minuteman Project murdered a man and his daughter at the end of May, and the story got very little play nationally. I’d lump these folks in with Scott Roeder and James van Brunn, though it looks a bit like they are ordinary criminals operating from the Minuteman organizations.

http://allspinzone.com/wp/2009/06/15/minuteman-movement-domestic-terrorists-or-ordinary-criminals/

[katandmoon]

1. They are both

[panader0]

2. Actually, it was in Arizona

It made the front page of Saturday's Tucson paper. Shawnda Forde and Bush and Gaxiola broke into a trailer in Arivaca to steal drugs.
Their "organization" is not affiliated with the larger group founded by what's his name Simcox, I think. Forde and her group are criminals and espouse the xenophobic crap as a cover. Simcox and his group are redneck, gun-totin', xenophobes. They've come around here several times (I'm 10 miles from the border)

[Still Sensible]

3. Saw the stories this weekend

Forde sure seems to be a piece of work. Justifying hatred any way they can and using their "patriotism" to cover for their criminality. BTW I grew up in SV and graduated from Buena ('73)...

[panader0]

7. I moved here in '78

I bought forty acres off of Moson road. Thing's have changed immensely since then. I am a bricklayer, and spent almost a year working on the new Buena High School.

[Still Sensible]

9. I learned to drive on Moson Road in 1970

when it was a graded dirt road all the way from Rt 90 to Rt 92... I presume 39 years later it is at least paved? I still own about 10 acres just past the San Pedro toward Bisbee.

[panader0]

10. Yeah, it's paved

When I first moved here, you could drive the length of Moson Road and not see another car. Now the traffic is heavy. The entire Moson Road area is bought up and built up. My land is one of the few places not broken into four acre parcels, plus, I'm up against BLM land, so I have good privacy. Your land is worth a lot more now.

[PSzymeczek]

11. I got here

in January of '79. Am married to a Buena grad, and my daughter graduated in '97. How many of us SV'ers are here?

[struggle4progress]

4. Ooh! That makes sense! It's like saying "I'm KKK" as a cover for killing black folk!

:eyes:

BTW: Gilchrist, who with Simcox cofounded the Minutemen, is on record standing up for Forde:

Questions About Nativist Leader’s Story Continue
Posted in Nativist Extremist by Sonia Scherr on March 8, 2009
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/03/08/questions-about-nativist-leader%E2%80%99s-story-continue/

[Stingo]

6. Standing up for criminals/terrorists

And the MSM is mostly ignoring it. What has Lou Dobbs said so far?

[PSzymeczek]

12. No matter what anyone says,

Gilchrist and Simcox are racist jerks.

[struggle4progress]

14. Yes -- and so is Shawna Forde.

[Joanne98]

5. Terrorists

[MineralMan]

8. Let's bring RICO to bear on these organizations.

[Stingo]

13. Seems right and proper

Racist organizations should definitely be RICO targets.