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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 07:25 AM
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The media's Glenn Beck problem
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200910160050


The media's Glenn Beck problem
Jamison Foser
October 16, 2009 10:26 pm ET


It's no coincidence that when members of the media talk about the media these days, they tend to talk about two things: the supposed importance of right-wing media like Fox News, and claims that the rest of the media lean to the left. The two concepts are fundamentally intertwined and mutually reinforcing -- and deeply flawed.

It may seem odd that much of the news media would simultaneously pronounce itself guilty of liberal bias and spend the year after a presidential election won convincingly by the more progressive candidate talking about the importance and influence of a conservative cable channel whose viewership consists of about 1 percent of the nation. But both of those somewhat inconsistent media memes can be explained by journalists' frequent inability to see where the center of the country really is. That inability makes journalists think they are further left of center than they actually are (even assuming they are at all to the left of center). And it makes them inflate the importance of right-wing operatives masquerading as media figures -- people who would have far less influence if actual reporters stopped buying their nonsense.

Their hateful views and adversarial relationship with the truth place the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh on the far-right fringe of a party and movement that have lost the popular vote in four of the past five presidential elections and that holds only 40 percent of the seats in Congress. They are on the far-right edge of a party that is far to the right of the rest of the country.

And, it must be said, they do not tell the truth. They lie about things large and small. They lie to smear their adversaries, and they lie for no real reason at all. Their lies should disqualify them from ever being taken seriously. But instead, the media have decided that if anything they say turns out to contain a sliver of truth, everything they say must be paid immediate attention.

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And so we have a poisonous media environment in which the "conservative media" consist of lying conspiracy theorists who are out to destroy President Obama and any other liberal they come across, and the "mainstream press" is considered "liberal" even as it "leans over so far backward to avoid the charge of left bias that it ends up either neutered or leaning to the right."

That's some range, isn't it? From right-wing liars who purposefully traffic in conservative misinformation all the way across the spectrum to frightened liberals who accidentally traffic in conservative misinformation.

That's the real problem with Glenn Beck and Fox News. It isn't that they misinform the 1 percent of Americans who watch their nonsense (the vast majority of whom already agree with them). It's that the rest of the media run to the right in response to Fox -- even while becoming more and more convinced that they are guilty of liberal bias.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 07:32 AM
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1. If there were honesty in journalism
there would be no teabaggers and the Secret Service would have smoother jobs.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:21 PM
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10. I don't think journalists should be investigating people's sexual practices.
If people want to gargle testicles in the privacy of their homes, they should be allowed to do so in peace.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 08:19 AM
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2. As much as I hate the media I have to say I didn't think they'd defend Fox.

I guess they're lower than I thought. lol
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 09:01 AM
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4. Some are very clever. While they pretend to be upset with Fox, they actually give Fox
more mileage.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 08:43 AM
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3. I think saying only 1% of the nation watch Faux
is way way off. If you just take a snapshot in time that could be true, but over a 24 hour period I would say well over 50% can't possibly avoid watching it. Every time I go to a doctors office, any kind of electronics store or my local gym Faux is on, you can't avoid it. It can't be all those 1% just live around here, nearly everyone I know watches Faux.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 09:22 AM
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5. Look up their viewer numbers
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 09:23 AM by Bluenorthwest
compare them to other media outlets. Tiny fractions of a real audience. This country has over 300 million people. A FoxNews show with 3 million viewers is a rare thing. 60 million or so watch American Idol on some nights. Shows get canceled as unpopular failures for having triple the viewers of a FoxNews 'hit show'. It is what it is.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 09:43 AM
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6. I know what the numbers say but I can't see them being
accurate over a 24 hour period. Apparently I must live in the area where all the Faux viewers live. I go for morning coffee and everyone is commenting on something they heard on Faux. I go to the gym and in the area where each machine has it's own TV better than half of them are tuned to Faux at any time. The other TVs in the Cybex area are generally all tuned to either Faux or ESPN. You go to a bar Faux, you go to the track Faux. You take the weather channel I imagine they have a very small audience but over a 24 hour period 10 of millions tune in sometime during the day to check the forecast.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 12:03 PM
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7. I guess the ultimate question this demands is
what is it that is causing the rest of media to be so influenced by Fux?

Once that question is answered, the rest of us would know what to fight, debunk or defund. Seems to me.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 12:07 PM
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8. Maybe they don't want to be labeled the liberal media. But to bend
over backwards in the other direction makes no sense either.

How 'bout lack of integrity?
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 12:46 PM
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9. maybe it's kind of dumb of me
to think there could be one central influencing factor here we could address.....

still, lack of integrity---what would make FUX the ..eh, whaddaya call it, ...umm.. the journalistic benchmark for integrity challenged mediapricks? I mean, lack of integrity is a generalized problem, not something consciously considered so that the idiots would look to a beacon of integritylessness for their role model. If that made any sense..... :P
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:26 PM
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11. cause: the owners. Look at the Dan Rather situation or Jack Welch in the NBC newsroom...
on election night 2000 throwing a tirade because they called it for Gore.

We need to some anti-trust action on the media, and in particular, not allow foreigners (like Murdoch) or conglomerates involved in non-media business (like GE) to buy networks.

Likewise, internet access should be treated like a public utility, as net neutrality proposals imply so they can't jerk us around there.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 06:12 PM
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14. the owners, yes...I would totally support the idea of limits on network ownership
disgusts me that some Australian mega-ultra bazillionaire with a mean streak can implement his evil plan to destroy the US by means of a secret, deadly Stupidity Brain Spongification Ray.

But how is it that the rest of the networks seem to take fux as their ringleader? What is the cause of that?


PS love yur screen name! Always cracks me up for some reason.

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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:51 PM
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12. It's ownership. Corporate news supporting corporations owned and run by the same people.
The media don't want to appear left-leaning, but the problem isn't that media figures innocently just try too darn hard to show they're objective and accidentally wind up parroting GOP talking points. Get real.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:50 PM
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13. I agree, the primary motivation and allegiance is ultimately corporate.
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 03:51 PM by Uncle Joe
FOX "News," Limbaugh and the like are the red flag, the rest of the corporate media are the sword, the owners of the corporate media are the Matadors, the neo-cons, racists, fundamentalists, the brain washed and many Republicans are the spectators cheering the waving red flag, liberals, progressives, populist libertarians, environmentalists, humanitarians and many Democrats are the bull continually charging at the red flag largely oblivious to the looming fatality from the hidden sword of the rest of the corporate media.

In the ring, the bull's anger is directed almost exclusively against the red flag until exhausted allowing for the matador armed with sword to dispense with the kill. This is the same way our corporate media has worked against the American Peoples' best interests, Glenn Beck and FOX "News" waging their reich wing propaganda and demonizing an institution promoting democracy didn't do Acorn in, that came courtesy of the so called responsible corporate media, their ownership and said to say it, a Democratic controlled Congress!

In short I don't believe left/right means shit, the real dynamic is corporations versus the American People and in that regard the corporate media are heavily conflicted of interest with only a few oasis-es existing in the barren American Journalistic Desert.
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